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AFL Player #47: Jye Menzie - Signs on for 2025 - 18/7
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Yeah I think this will be his last year with us.
Can never fault his effort or intent, it's always top notch. But unfortunately the talent just isn't there. He can Joe the Goose his way to 20 goals and maybe fool a few, but when you watch him play, the drawbacks are too obvious. Slow, not great at pressure, poor at crumbing, turnover merchant and just always takes the wrong options.
I think he could go back to the VFL for a bit and I wouldn't be surprised if another club picks him up down the line. I hope they do. But from here on out, if Davey is fit, we should be playing him.
Can never fault his effort or intent, it's always top notch. But unfortunately the talent just isn't there. He can Joe the Goose his way to 20 goals and maybe fool a few, but when you watch him play, the drawbacks are too obvious. Slow, not great at pressure, poor at crumbing, turnover merchant and just always takes the wrong options.
I think he could go back to the VFL for a bit and I wouldn't be surprised if another club picks him up down the line. I hope they do. But from here on out, if Davey is fit, we should be playing him.
Not sure on the poor at crumbing, he seemed to read the ball off the hands front and square well last night, critically he put himself in that spot, alwyn is never there
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I don't think I've ever see him crumb and nail a beautiful front and centre goal in his life. They're largely just out the back goals or from absolute plum looks. He can't create a goal from nothing.
I think that opening goal vs GWS where Davey kicked one and got us into the game is the exact type of thing Davey can do, and Menzie can't.
The front and centres last night seemed to be up the ground , around hf or even wing, not in goal range
We clearly need a better option than both, it has to be our highest draft or trade priority, until then I still reckon Menz shades Alwyn.
eth-dog
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Schnitz, this is bullshit and you know it.
He's shown AFL quality. He reads the ball well off hands. He crumbs well. His pressure is his big weakness due to a lack of pace but that's it.
jannissary
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while i think that he didn't play a great game, i thought he was reasonably okay last night. worked up the ground a lot and put some defensive pressure on the ball (sometimes) when leaving f50. something that i've noticed is that a lot of the usual suspects high impact small forwards (walters, cameron etc) haven't been as impactful on the scoreboard this year as they previously have been, not to say that menzie is comparable, but moreso that defenders have become better at being more accountable.
he played okay, he certainly wasn't out worst on
he played okay, he certainly wasn't out worst on
He perhaps looks better to some of us because Davey jnr is just so, so far away from producing a game close to what Jye delivers.
That's exactly what it is, and why he should play
He is Menzie, while Alwyn isn't currently capable of the same output, Alwyn should be shelved until he can, that should be the carrot to get better
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For a smaller player he's quite physical too, able to hold his space under a marking contest.
He doesn't have the closing speed to really scare defenders, or the finishing class to produce something from something, which are the two things AMT had in spades.
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the problem IS the lack of pace. None of him, gresham or guelfi are fast and he is clearly below the other two in pecking order.
Ideally we would have someone with the mature frame of menzie and daveys speed but personally till we fill that hole I would rather we get games into davey and at least trouble the defenders with perceived pressure than what happened yesterday.
Dont think its a coincidence that was the weakest we looked in a while for defending transition (also didnt help that guelfi had a down game too).
Ideally we would have someone with the mature frame of menzie and daveys speed but personally till we fill that hole I would rather we get games into davey and at least trouble the defenders with perceived pressure than what happened yesterday.
Dont think its a coincidence that was the weakest we looked in a while for defending transition (also didnt help that guelfi had a down game too).
I think the idea of Alwyn has these things.
In reality, I'm not convinced he's got any of them.
Alwyn undoubtedly has the higher ceiling. If we are serious about making him a player he needs to be prioritised over Menzie. However, neither should be in the team. Especially Menzie. I hope he kicks 5 against Carlolton, but he won’t. He’ll be lucky to snag one over the top handball goal in the goalsquare. And god help us if he is trying to chase Saad out of defence.
He has the goal sense and ability to make things happen. We’ve seen him chase down and create inferred pressure. But his application is inconsistent and he isn’t physically developed enough to hold his own for more than a couple of qtrs a game. He’s not ready but he has much more to work with.
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I agree with this while thinking his pace is what will really keep him making it.
If he comes in it is because we lost Gresham or Guelfi to I jury, not as a replacement for Davey.
Thought his biggest issue was he just shat himself every time he got it when he had options around him.
Think we just need to admit that none of our specialist small forwards are up to it and play Shiel/Setterfield and have Perkins/Merrett/Durham spend time forward
Think we just need to admit that none of our specialist small forwards are up to it and play Shiel/Setterfield and have Perkins/Merrett/Durham spend time forward
Based on what?
He has the ability to kind of maybe look like he's sort of chasing but unfortunately, drats, doesn't quite get there. But rest assured, if he'd got there, he would have seriously considered maybe making physical contact with the person with the ball. Perhaps.
As sarcastic as that probably comes across, Davey's pressure is certainly overhyped. A lot of fake chases that are never actually going to amount to anything, because he both doesn't have the physical body to complete the tackle, but also doesn't want to. Sure, this could be a version of inferred pressure, I respect that is actually a thing. And it genuinely could be that his body isn't up to it yet.
Besides one certainly very creative and impressive goal against GWS... I haven't seen any real natural small forward creative goal sense.
Skill set, the way he moves, agility, more speed, can kick a sneaky goal, can chase down with closing speed, has a bit of flair, can play further up the ground as he matures (perhaps off half back). Should I go on? We’ve seen these things in fleeting glimpses, granted, but we’ve seen them nonetheless. He’s not shown enough yet and I have serious doubts about his ability to actually make the most of his attributes. But they are there.
The height of their respective ceilings.
Honestly the only one that means anything as far as getting one over on Menzie is his chase down pressure.
Skill set = means nothing if he can’t do it and all players have different skill sets anyway.
The way he moves = lol
Sneaky goal = Menzie wins there
Flair = means nothing
Can play further up the ground = can he?
This is just screaming great hope to me.
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7 turnovers from 17 possessions and 43% kicking efficiency is not flash.
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