Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[NSWCROW]

Are you saying there won’t be a WW3 , ffs i built a bunker after reading the advice of the experts on here saying Trump winning will cause a nuclear holocaust.

So THAT'S where you hid the night Albo won, ya cat !!

 

[Vassp]

Here’s a radical idea, get real estate agent to do background checks on the people to see who would be the more reliable better tenant, without taking their race into consideration.

you are correct, and I agree with that, i was just generalizing which was my point.
Statistically, i am right, doesn't make me a racist.

 

[Vassp]

This is what frustrates me in here, the old "I am not a trump fanboi" when clearly your posting suggest otherwise it.

Just own it. Own your hero.

nope , wrong again.

 

[Episode IV]

I dont think you got it.

I think I did, there were two main thrusts to it.
I only addressed the bit about people wanting their own cultural identities to remain more or less intact without being told they're racist for wanting that.
I think there's a distinct difference between how that is handled (or reacted to) in Western, increasingly multicultural countries and those less so.

The first bit I snipped, a short statement about (for example) blacks committing more crime per capita is not necessarily untrue, but is also a long and involved subject.

If there's something I got wrong, let me know in more detail.

 

[Vassp]

Yes.

rubbish.

 

[Vassp]

I think I did, there were two main thrusts to it.
I only addressed the bit about people wanting their own cultural identities to remain more or less intact without constant accusations of being racist being told they're racist for wanting that.
I think there's a distinct difference between how that is handled (or reacted to) in Western, increasingly multicultural countries and those less so.

The first bit I snipped, a short statement about (for example) blacks committing more crime per capita is not necessarily untrue, but is also a long and involved subject.

If there's something I got wrong, let me know in more detail.

Your post in sensible, and I'm up to discuss. Its just a discussion and observation. I don't need to be right on this topic.

This is from an earlier post of mine...... bold part i added for clarity.

"it's a simple observation, it is a demographic.....

Then if I'm wrong, then why are the Dems targeting blacks and Hispanics? in their policies

That is racist too then?

Why don't they just have policies to display to everyone?

Answer that one!!!!!"

See what i mean, that could be rasict too?

 

[Romeoh1]

I hope so but think they will get more of their terrible agenda done this time.

Thing is there will be a clash of egos and if Donnie is copping a lot of criticism and backlash for the extreme right wing nuttery being implemented I am sure he will throw some under the bus, as end of the day he is not ideological (which weirdly could be a saving grace), he only cares about himself.

Yes, absolutely - and yes, sadly they will do some damage. They are just such a backward bunch of people - like seriously -Kristi Noem- talk about a dinosaur- her ideas are appalling. How awful to have such poor calibre intellects running the show. Poor old America.

 

[Romeoh1]

rubbish.

Codswallop.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Codswallop.

More of a balderdash man myself, but i'll allow codswallop.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Yes, absolutely - and yes, sadly they will do some damage. They are just such a backward bunch of people - like seriously -Kristi Noem- talk about a dinosaur- her ideas are appalling. How awful to have such poor calibre intellects running the show. Poor old America.

What ideas of hers are 'appalling'?

 

[happy_eagle]

Nope, you missed the point entirely, it's a demographic that is statistically right. doesn't matter which way you cut the mustard, it does not mean i hate black people, which i strongly do not hate or dislike. its just demographics.

Correlation and causation are two different things. And correlation without causation is absolutely useless.

So unless you are arguing that the blackness of someone's skin is causing them to commit more crime (which is pretty clear racism) then I'm not sure what the point of stating the correlation is ?

 

[Episode IV]

Your post in sensible, and I'm up to discuss. Its just a discussion and observation. I don't need to be right on this topic.

This is from an earlier post of mine...... bold part i added for clarity.

"it's a simple observation, it is a demographic.....

Then if I'm wrong, then why are the Dems targeting blacks and Hispanics? in their policies

That is racist too then?

Why don't they just have policies to display to everyone?

Answer that one!!!!!"

See what i mean, that could be rasict too?

Yes, I've sort of said as much myself on more than one occasion.
I see it as a sub-plot amid the general idea that the Democrats, in this instance, are a long way from being the good guys (non-racists, in this context) )they purport to be, and that the American public are waking up to it.

In exhorting "black people" and "women" to vote in a bloc for the Democrats, they're actually in many instances buying into the idea that those people are as a group incapable of thinking for themselves. I'd regarding it as quite insulting, personally, and it's easy to see why many black Americans (at least) would consider that the idea that they aren't individuals as being racist. Or you could see it as telling them they're all stupid and need to be told what to do, which might be another way of looking at it. A possible reason for Women turning out for Trump as well... not as a racist thing, or in reaction to it, but just because they didn't particularly like the idea being presented to them by the Democrats that they're just "women", not individuals with thoughts of their own.
Either way, It's not hard to see why black folks, (in your case) voted for Trump in greater numbers than they had previously... though not, it should be said, as a majority.

As another example, I'd suggest more people read up on the (failed) voter id legislations in the USA.
The Republicans were for it, the Democrats against. The overwhelming majority of US citizens across all demographics are in favour of it.
The reasons the Democrats were against it support some of what you're trying to say.

 

[Vassp]

Correlation and causation are two different things. And correlation without causation is absolutely useless.

So unless you are arguing that the blackness of someone's skin is causing them to commit more crime (which is pretty clear racism) then I'm not sure what the point of stating the correlation is ?

How did you come up with this?
"Nope, you missed the point entirely, it's a demographic that is statistically right. doesn't matter which way you cut the mustard, it does not mean i hate black people, which i strongly do not hate or dislike. its just demographics."

Please explain to me which part of this quote is false?

 

[Royces Hart]

rubbish.

So a landlord makings tenancy choice purely based on someone’s skin colour isn’t racist, because demographics?

Rather than lumping all indigenous people together and doing some research, I could be denying my property to an indigenous lady who is a practicing GP, while choosing to let it to a white, unemployed meth addict.

In your world, nothing would be classified as racism.

 

[happy_eagle]

How did you come up with this?
"Nope, you missed the point entirely, it's a demographic that is statistically right. doesn't matter which way you cut the mustard, it does not mean i hate black people, which i strongly do not hate or dislike. its just demographics."

Please explain to me which part of this quote is false?

What does it imply ?

 

[Vassp]

Yes, I've sort of said as much myself on more than one occasion.
I see it as a sub-plot amid the general idea that the Democrats, in this instance, are a long way from being the good guys (non-racists, in this context) )they purport to be, and that the American public are waking up to it.

In exhorting "black people" and "women" to vote in a bloc for the Democrats, they're actually in many instances buying into the idea that those people are as a group incapable of thinking for themselves. I'd regarding it as quite insulting, personally, and it's easy to see why many black Americans (at least) would consider that the idea that they aren't individuals as being racist. Or you could see it as telling them they're all stupid and need to be told what to do, which might be another way of looking at it. A possible reason for Women turning out for Trump as well... not as a racist thing, or in reaction to it, but just because they didn't particularly like the idea being presented to them by the Democrats that they're just "women", not individuals with thoughts of their own.
Either way, It's not hard to see why black folks, (in your case) voted for Trump in greater numbers than they had previously... though not, it should be said, as a majority.

As another example, I'd suggest more people read up on the (failed) voter id legislations in the USA.
The Republicans were for it, the Democrats against. The overwhelming majority of US citizens across all demographics are in favour of it.
The reasons the Democrats were against it support some of what you're trying to say.

Correct and if we did deeper, my point being is that the Democrats (or Reps for that matter) targeting a demographic is considered racist right? --not targeting this at you, just some of the posters trying to pin racism on my posts with out thinking clearly

 

[Vassp]

What does it imply ?

it doesn't imply anything other than a stat, thats my point.

 

[MPMonkeys]

So a landlord makings tenancy choice purely based on someone’s skin colour isn’t racist, because demographics?

Rather than lumping all indigenous people together and doing some research, I could be denying my property to an indigenous lady who is a practicing GP, while choosing to let it to a white, unemployed meth addict.

In your world, nothing would be classified as racism.

But this is just your imagination.
No landlord in his/her right mind would do this. Not only would it be sure to be exposed but commercially it would be a ridiculous thing to do.

 

[Royces Hart]

it doesn't imply anything other than a stat, thats my point.

Statistically speaking, Trump supporters are more likely to be neo-Nazis, than those that oppose him.

I guess that makes your a neo-Nazi.

Don’t be mad, it’s just stats and demographics.

 

[Vassp]

But this is just your imagination.
No landlord in his/her right mind would do this. Not only would it be sure to be exposed but commercially it would be a ridiculous thing to do.

it's just an example and a legitimate one at that. We are not discussing flights to mars.

 

[Vassp]

Statistically speaking, Trump supporters are more likely to be neo-Nazis, than those that oppose him.

I guess that makes your a neo-Nazi.

Don’t be mad, it’s just stats and demographics.

one is a stat (and a factual one at that) and the other a bad attempt at an insult.
That makes you dumb?

 

[Royces Hart]

No landlord in his/her right mind would do this. Not only would it be sure to be exposed but commercially it would be a ridiculous thing to do.

This is the scenario that old mate put forward, which we are responding to. A decision based solely on race.

it can be thought of as that, OR it can just come down to money right?

Demographics play a role in life and that is the way it is.

I'll give you an example,

You got two properties that you own in Darwin, you can rent them out to two white people or two aboriginal people?
it's your livelihood we are speaking of, who do you rent them out to? complete generilzation here......

If you rent them out to white people are you racist? IF the stats say you have much lesser risk of damage then if you vote with your wallet are you a racist?

 

[Episode IV]

Yes, absolutely - and yes, sadly they will do some damage. They are just such a backward bunch of people - like seriously -Kristi Noem- talk about a dinosaur- her ideas are appalling. How awful to have such poor calibre intellects running the show. Poor old America.

Which ideas, in particular?

 

[MPMonkeys]

Statistically speaking, Trump supporters are more likely to be neo-Nazis, than those that oppose him.

I guess that makes your a neo-Nazi.

Don’t be mad, it’s just stats and demographics.

Depends on your definition of a Neo-Nazi I guess.
My definition is someone who is broadly anti-semetic and wants to wipe a race and/or religion out.

As an aside - what is the difference between a 'Neo-Nazi' and a plain old vanilla 'Nazi'?
It always bemuses me.

 

[Spearman]

The thing about this Cabinet, including Matt Gaetz as AG, is that they're mostly incompetents. And in only 4 years, they'll only achieve a fraction of what competent ghouls like Mitch McConnell could achieve.

Elon and Vivek won't realise that to sack a lot of the people they'll want to sack will require changes in legislation. They're used to companies where whatever they say goes. They'll need an army of lawyers to advise them on how to make whole departments redundant, if those departments have legislated outcomes and tenures.

Rubio will be walked all over by far more experienced foreign ministers from across the globe. Which won't mean a lot because Trump will mostly be acting on unilateral thought bubbles and won't understand the consequences of his actions. Watching Rubio and Trump try to negotiate with a Saudi Arabia who is now closer to Iran than Israel while at the same time doing everything Israel asks will be a sight to behold. Trump and Rubio will struggle to stay out of Israel dragging them further into war with Iran. And if they do, it'll cost them all their bases in the Middle East.

If you think Pete Hegseth can manage the Pentagon, then you don't know what the word Governance means. Defence contractors will be licking their lips, Musk included.

Anyone else you'd think was just trolling.
Some of these appointments are just bonkers. I have to wonder if he or whoever it is this time helping him, is using some of the obvious outrage ones as cover for some really shit people he wants in somewhere. There will be a lot of smoke if these go to hearings and by flooding the zone it will mask something horrific.