6 Day Breaks...

[crackers57]

....add to that some of the "home" game are actually "away" games given that th team we play uses the MCG too.

Maybe someone can convince them to play their home games elsewhere

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[The Finger]

AND end thread lol.

Lol the six day or less is only relevant if it's less than your opponent. I can't believe people are including the ANZAC day games in the figures when both sides have the same no advantage. The FACT that the last 7 fixtured games Collingwood play this year they get a day extra break in each is ridiculous.

 

[PieBeast]

Well Collingwood have traveled interstate less than St Kilda every year and have traveled less in total than every other Victorian club over the past decade or so and traveled about half as many times to Perth as every other club so there is still a lot of truth to my arguments too.

Thanks for admitting your previous statements were a crock of shit.
And I like how you and your brethren in whinging continuously ignore the fact we've been dealt the hardest draw of 2012.
Just so you know your club has faced more opponents coming of interstate trips than us in 2011 but you don't see us starting threads about this do you?
Its really not surprising to see St Kilda fans are at the forefront of most moaning done on bigfooty, might have something to do with your club's loser culture.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Lol the six day or less is only relevant if it's less than your opponent. I can't believe people are including the ANZAC day games in the figures when both sides have the same no advantage. The FACT that the last 7 fixtured games Collingwood play this year they get a day extra break in each is ridiculous.

And we have no friday night games which is a $#$@ off NO CHANCE, the AFL trying to stop Collingwood getting blockbuster friday night games and hurting our revenue we all should be upset.

Next year i hope every round is after 6 game breaks for other teams makes our job easier.

 

[The Finger]

And we have no friday night games which is a $#$@ off NO CHANCE, the AFL trying to stop Collingwood getting blockbuster friday night games and hurting our revenue we all should be upset.

How many years did you want them to prop you up for? Your not there only franchise any more.

 

[summers12]

the excuse of a 6 day break is a load of crap and shits me to tears to hear this excuse wheeled out at the drop of a hat by mediocre teams trying to con there fans that they would be world beaters if they had the same treatment of any other team but them. its just possibly the stupidest excuse in the book.

 

[hayes]

Nobody here can say whether it's a load of crap of not, so I'll listen to what actual AFL players and recently retired players say and they reckon it has an impact. Brad Johnson mentioned our 6 day breaks on League Teams without even being asked so it's definitely an issue, particularly if you've had a few in a row and are playing a team coming off a bye (why they do this I'll never know). Nobody's using it as an excuse but to deny it plays a factor is just plain wrong.

 

[crackers57]

Nobody here can say whether it's a load of crap of not, so I'll listen to what actual AFL players and recently retired players say and they reckon it has an impact. Brad Johnson mentioned our 6 day breaks on League Teams without even being asked so it's definitely an issue, particularly if you've had a few in a row and are playing a team coming off a bye (why they do this I'll never know). Nobody's using it as an excuse but to deny it plays a factor is just plain wrong.

Yeah, can't argue with Lenny Hayes

 

[underthestars]

More research obviously needs to be done. But based on the ops figures and plain common sense for anyone that has played a decent level of sport, it obviously handicaps a team. It's why top professional football clubs in Europe have basically two squads worth of players, and rest stars all through the season. The top clubs play in two or more competitions at the same time and know they have buckleys chance of managing a series of games with a short break unless they can rest players through it.
So you can argue tough t***ies, but you are being ignorant or polemic - short breaks are a handicap, and the afl has to be more even in sharing the short breaks across clubs. Poor pie fans arguing about the quality of teams they will face this year are overlooking the obvious fact they are generally meeting those teams with a massive advantage. So they are playing poorer quality opposition than they'd like us to believe.

 

[Oh Darling]

Are you speaking from your own personal experience here? Or, if not, have you spoken to those who do travel regularly and who have also experienced their fair share of 6 day breaks and is that their opinion/experience?

Otherwise, if this is your completely uninformed opinion, why are the stats showing that that is clearly not the case?

A few years back they actually did a study on the effect of travel on the West Coast EAgles players and found that it does have a negative effect on the body.

In fact they found that for the West Coast Eagles who spend 9 hours on a plane every 2nd week it would take around 2-3 years off the end of their football career.

The evidence points to that as well... Have a look at how many Eagles players get past 31 years of age... not too many. Most retire early from injuries.

Chris Mainwaring 33y 210d
Peter Matera 33y 157d
Drew Banfield 32y 215d
Dean Kemp 32y 125d
Guy McKenna 31y 87d
Glen Jakovich 31y 52d
Chris Lewis 31y 23d
Ashley McIntosh 30y 321d
Michael Braun 30y 153d
David Wirrpanda 30y 19d
John Worsfold 29y 338d
Chad Fletcher 29y 363d
Phil Matera 29y 279d
Brett Heady 29y 83d


Our games record holder is on 276 games.

Compare that to the Adelaide Crows who only travel what is it 40 mins on a plane... they have 4 players who have played over 300 games and and 7 over 250 games.... and the crows haven't even been in the competition as long as we have.

 

[Mateyman]

Saw this from Leo (good job Leo) on another board found it interesting seeing its FACT.

In 30 games so far this year from round 3 onwards a team has had a 6 day break, while their opponent has 7 days +.
In those 30 games this year the team that has had the 6 day break has won 11 games, which equates to 36%.
Out of those 11 games that were won by the team that had the 6 day break, 4 of the winners played either the Gold Coast, or GWS.
If we take those games out it takes it back to 26 games played 7 games won at 27%.
Out of those 30 games on 22 occasions the team with the short break has lost the 1st quarter at 73%.
And on 18 occasions the team has lost the last quarter 18 times at 60%.
Out the 22 occasions that the team with the short break has lost the 1st quarter they have gone on to lose 18 times at 81%.

Interesting that Collingwoods last 7 games are against sides coming off a six day break. Collingwood having the extra day on every team other than the floating round. More than chance you'd think...what a very "fair and even" competition we have.....

Hmmm.... Collingwood have SUCH an easy draw. I mean, they only play all of last year's top 8 twice other than themselves, Sydney and St Kilda, who are both outside the top 4.

 

[Mateyman]

Much rather have a day's less break than our opponents in the last 6 rounds than what is widely acknowledged as the hardest draw in the league in 2012.
And it obviously wasn't in OP's interests to point out the fact we travel interstate on three occasions during that period.

Agreed, sick of people who don't even look at the fixture complaining about our supposedly cushy draw.

 

[summers12]

The only way it handicaps a side is if they are trying to get a player up for a game who has pulled up sore or slightly injured from the week before. Clubs just have to manage player welfare better during the week. As for travel players can walk and stretch on planes it just another convenient excuse. if travel is so bad just how do the interstate teams do it.

I understand one team played 4 or 5 six day break games in a row. i dont know who it was as I dont think this team whinged at all (pigs arse).

Its purely the luck of the draw. all teams suffer with injuries, soreness etc

 

[greennick]

A few years back they actually did a study on the effect of travel on the West Coast EAgles players and found that it does have a negative effect on the body.

In fact they found that for the West Coast Eagles who spend 9 hours on a plane every 2nd week it would take around 2-3 years off the end of their football career.

The evidence points to that as well... Have a look at how many Eagles players get past 31 years of age... not too many. Most retire early from injuries.

Chris Mainwaring 33y 210d
Peter Matera 33y 157d
Drew Banfield 32y 215d
Dean Kemp 32y 125d
Guy McKenna 31y 87d
Glen Jakovich 31y 52d
Chris Lewis 31y 23d
Ashley McIntosh 30y 321d
Michael Braun 30y 153d
David Wirrpanda 30y 19d
John Worsfold 29y 338d
Chad Fletcher 29y 363d
Phil Matera 29y 279d
Brett Heady 29y 83d


Our games record holder is on 276 games.

Compare that to the Adelaide Crows who only travel what is it 40 mins on a plane... they have 4 players who have played over 300 games and and 7 over 250 games.... and the crows haven't even been in the competition as long as we have.

Which is why I don't understand why we haven't bought our own plane with massage tables, big seats and the ability to fly a little lower and under a bit less cabin pressure. Would be the best investment and surely the AFL would contribute some $$ towards it in place of the 20k+ a week the WA teams get for plane tickets.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Any chance you could list the number of games against each of the Eagles players?

Would help show that age does not always equal games played - many of those players would have missed games through not only being rested, but through injuries and soreness that may not have cleared up before the next round due to interrupted recovery time due to not having consecutive games in WA (happens once or twice a year at best for WA clubs)

Pav could crack Jackos record by the years end, is on 267 now I believe with 10 games of the H&A left

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Nobody here can say whether it's a load of crap of not, so I'll listen to what actual AFL players and recently retired players say and they reckon it has an impact. Brad Johnson mentioned our 6 day breaks on League Teams without even being asked so it's definitely an issue, particularly if you've had a few in a row and are playing a team coming off a bye (why they do this I'll never know). Nobody's using it as an excuse but to deny it plays a factor is just plain wrong.

Last year teams coming off the bye were 6-20 when playing teams not coming off the bye.

I think that an 8-day break is a massive advantage over a 6-day break - nobody can convince me that the respective breaks had no hand in the Crows smashing Carlton earlier in the season and then stopping dead in our tracks against Collingwood the following week. Not complaining as it cancelled out, but Carlton were noticeably flat when we played them and we completely ran out of petrol tickets against the Pies.

But I'm not sure that having the bye in any way contributes to the advantage and if anything might nullify it. The Crows were flat coming off the bye this week, and it seemed like WCE and North Melbourne, despite winning, probably performed below expectations as well.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

A few years back they actually did a study on the effect of travel on the West Coast EAgles players and found that it does have a negative effect on the body.

In fact they found that for the West Coast Eagles who spend 9 hours on a plane every 2nd week it would take around 2-3 years off the end of their football career.

The evidence points to that as well... Have a look at how many Eagles players get past 31 years of age... not too many. Most retire early from injuries.

Our games record holder is on 276 games.

Compare that to the Adelaide Crows who only travel what is it 40 mins on a plane... they have 4 players who have played over 300 games and and 7 over 250 games.... and the crows haven't even been in the competition as long as we have.

I cannot remember many Collingwood players playing more than 250 since West Coast entered the system

Daicos and Shaw started well before and i can only think of Burns, G.Brown, Tarrant who played games elsewhere and Buckley, but we have had 10 play 200 or more. Only Shaw had over 300 games, Bucks the next highest at 280.

 

[cfx_1]

The modern game will wear down bodies quicker.. Its science. Running harder for longer will make you fatigue earlier. As for the eagles having short careers, cry me a river and hand back those premierships, which don't seem to be affected.

 

[hawkman]

A few years back they actually did a study on the effect of travel on the West Coast EAgles players and found that it does have a negative effect on the body.

In fact they found that for the West Coast Eagles who spend 9 hours on a plane every 2nd week it would take around 2-3 years off the end of their football career.

The evidence points to that as well... Have a look at how many Eagles players get past 31 years of age... not too many. Most retire early from injuries.

Our games record holder is on 276 games.

Compare that to the Adelaide Crows who only travel what is it 40 mins on a plane... they have 4 players who have played over 300 games and and 7 over 250 games.... and the crows haven't even been in the competition as long as we have.

Cousins probably would have made 300 if he wasn't on drugs

 

[Ron The Bear]

Games missed by one-club players who played between 276 (Jakovich) and 201 (Lewis) games since 1987:

Cb Ply Games Miss %Miss
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Br   6  1410  470 25.00
Es   8  1949  532 21.44
Co   9  2084  553 20.97
WC  14  3327  838 20.12
WB   5  1108  242 17.83
PA   4   964  209 17.82
St  10  2307  478 17.16
Fr   5  1142  235 17.07
NM   4   931  202 16.93
Sy   7  1639  312 15.99
Ad   5  1190  220 15.60
Ge   9  2139  385 15.25
Me   6  1501  265 15.01
Ca   4   916  144 13.58
Ha   4   835  126 13.11
Ri   3   713   67  8.59
-----------------------
   103 24155 5278 17.93

 

[manicmagpie]

I cannot remember many Collingwood players playing more than 250 since West Coast entered the system

Daicos and Shaw started well before and i can only think of Burns, G.Brown, Tarrant who played games elsewhere and Buckley, but we have had 10 play 200 or more. Only Shaw had over 300 games, Bucks the next highest at 280.

Yep, only 3 players from Collingwood have played 250 games for the club since WC entered the comp, compared with 4 from WC. Over 200 games it's 15-14 in favour of WC (will be 16-14 if Lynch plays this week). Conclusive proof that lack of travel inhibits your career.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Games missed by one-club players who played between 276 (Jakovich) and 201 (Lewis) games since 1987:

Cb Ply Games Miss %Miss
-----------------------
Br  6  1410  470 25.00
Es  8  1949  532 21.44
Co  9  2084  553 20.97
WC  14  3327  838 20.12
WB  5  1108  242 17.83
PA  4  964  209 17.82
St  10  2307  478 17.16
Fr  5  1142  235 17.07
NM  4  931  202 16.93
Sy  7  1639  312 15.99
Ad  5  1190  220 15.60
Ge  9  2139  385 15.25
Me  6  1501  265 15.01
Ca  4  916  144 13.58
Ha  4  835  126 13.11
Ri  3  713  67  8.59
-----------------------
  103 24155 5278 17.93

Then take a look at interstate travel by team

Tra = times travelled interstate
Total = total games

Stats are since '87

-----------------------

Team        Tra    Tota    %    Avg.

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Team    Travel    Total    Avg.    Percentage

Collingwood    94    590    3.76    15.93%
Essendon      103    592    4.12    17.40%
Carlton       105    588    4.20    17.86%
Geelong       109    601    4.36    18.14%
Richmond      103    566    4.12    18.20%
Fitzroy        40    218    4.44    18.35%
Melbourne     114    587    4.56    19.42%
Footscray     120    583    4.80    20.58%
St Kilda      121    585    4.84    20.68%
Hawthorn      138    590    5.52    23.39%
North M       139    587    5.56    23.68%
Gold Coast     14     34   14.00    41.18%
Port Adel     162    359   10.80    45.13%
Fremantle     178    391   10.47    45.52%
Brisbane L    170    362   11.33    46.96%
Adelade       237    497   11.29    47.69%
West Coast    290    600   11.60    48.33%
Sydney        286    587   11.44    48.72%
Brisbane B    112    222   12.44    50.45%
GWS             7    11    7.00     63.64%

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[The Finger]

Interesting who plays Geelong next week. A late Sunday arvo game in Brisbane let's hope the AFL have fixtured the Cats to play the Bulldogs so no team gets a MASSIVE advantage.

 

[Gavin Excell]

If my club ever uses 6 days rest as an excuse for losing I'll spew up. Luckily we are winners and don't have that attitude.

Its something Collignwood doesn't have to concern itself about

That and travel

 

[The Finger]

Its something Collignwood doesn't have to concern itself about

That and travel

Especially both combined like their opponents next week. Playing Geelong off a Sunday arvo Brisbane game with a extra day break.