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Yeah I was thinking similarly, but I don’t think that’s such a good deal for us. Better if we can trade for a playerProbably nets us an early-mid second rounder. I don’t see how you fit him, Tsatas, Merrett, Parish, Durham and Caldwell into one midfield so I wouldn’t be opposed to it.
He would've played much more without the calf injury. He's back in the side now and he'll get opportunity as part of the rotation. You cant be a one trick pony. Most good mids these days spend time forward or sometimes half backBrad Scott has killed this kid
Playing him as sub, sometimes only brining him on for 20min at the end
Playing him up forward
Neither of which he is suited for at all
He is a jack viney type. Put him at the centre bounces and watch him shine
Absolutely staggers me that we are playing Shiel in front of him
This is my only gripe on Scott. He waits too long to pull the trigger on the sub. They are on a hiding to nothing.Brad Scott has killed this kid
Playing him as sub, sometimes only brining him on for 20min at the end
Playing him up forward
Neither of which he is suited for at all
He is a jack viney type. Put him at the centre bounces and watch him shine
Absolutely staggers me that we are playing Shiel in front of him
So we are going to have no injuries ? how does he fit in the midfield ? someone will always be injured and you need at least 6 midfielders in the side with one or two playing some forward. If Shiel goes there is one spot. Perkins played most of the year as a midfielder but is not one. Parish can split his role . Merrett can also play a bit of half back / half forward . I think it is plain crazy to be looking to trade out the younger guys to get a couple of draft picks for more younger guys.Probably nets us an early-mid second rounder. I don’t see how you fit him, Tsatas, Merrett, Parish, Durham and Caldwell into one midfield so I wouldn’t be opposed to it.
True. But why wouldn’t you have Shiel play majority up forward and Hobbs play the majority of his minutes in midfieldHe would've played much more without the calf injury. He's back in the side now and he'll get opportunity as part of the rotation. You cant be a one trick pony. Most good mids these days spend time forward or sometimes half back
Shiel has been playing well in there and it was Hobbs first game back. I think we'll see Hobbs minutes increase over the next couple weeks. Shiel may or may not be at the club next year but he is contracted and playing good footy, the better footy he is playing the better pick we get in return if he does ask to go.True. But why wouldn’t you have Shiel play majority up forward and Hobbs play the majority of his minutes in midfield
One guy won’t be at the club next season, the other is a very talented youngster who has a big future at the club
This is my only gripe on Scott. He waits too long to pull the trigger on the sub. They are on a hiding to nothing.
Need minimun 1.5 quarters IMO.
I think some have only got 10 minutes or so. Soul destroying for the player.
Shiel really hasn’t been playing that well. He is good when he has the ball, but his defensive effort when he doesn’t have the ball is as poor as it’s always beenShiel has been playing well in there and it was Hobbs first game back. I think we'll see Hobbs minutes increase over the next couple weeks. Shiel may or may not be at the club next year but he is contracted and playing good footy, the better footy he is playing the better pick we get in return if he does ask to go.
I don't necessarily disagree with a lot you have said there but would the club be content having a first round level talent as a fringe/depth option in the side?So we are going to have no injuries ? how does he fit in the midfield ? someone will always be injured and you need at least 6 midfielders in the side with one or two playing some forward. If Shiel goes there is one spot. Perkins played most of the year as a midfielder but is not one. Parish can split his role . Merrett can also play a bit of half back / half forward . I think it is plain crazy to be looking to trade out the younger guys to get a couple of draft picks for more younger guys.
I don't think we are playing him specifically to get a better draft pick. As i said he's contracted so not necessarily going. I think we are playing him because he's in good form. Hobbs unfortunately got injured and had to build back up to match fitness in the VFL. He may not still be 100%. Its frustrating but it would have been worse for them to rush him back in underdone. He's still in the clubs plans, just bad timing with the calf injury.Shiel really hasn’t been playing that well. He is good when he has the ball, but his defensive effort when he doesn’t have the ball is as poor as it’s always been
To play Shiel just to hopefully get a slightly better draft pick over a young kid is just the sort of shortsighted view that the club constantly does
Hopefully the sub is killed off and just have an extended bench.The sub should be either a vet who can help stabilise the ship late in game or a speedy runner to energise.
Nothing else.
What's his trade value right now? I think he is clearly going to be a good mid but not sure it can happen with us. Just not the player we need. It would be nice if we could trade for a high pick player in a similar situation somewhere else?
Practically speaking I agree. Just fantasising about the perfect trade that will never happenSorry but it is just plain stupid to be trading him out.
IDK, there might be some merit in trading out one of the 4 players contesting the done position. That said, I’d want to keep Hobbs too. The problem is he does not seem to be able to play anywhere other than on the ball.Sorry but it is just plain stupid to be trading him out.
Which will be fine next year when Shiel is gone and Parish has another 6 month calf injury.IDK, there might be some merit in trading out one of the 4 players contesting the done position. That said, I’d want to keep Hobbs too. The problem is he does not seem to be able to play anywhere other than on the ball.
Its a tough one cos it does seem at the moment that we have too many mids, and who knows if Hobbs/Tsatas will look elsewhere if they keep getting played in 2s.IDK, there might be some merit in trading out one of the 4 players contesting the done position. That said, I’d want to keep Hobbs too. The problem is he does not seem to be able to play anywhere other than on the ball.
Same was said about Parish, Langford, Laverde, and a host of other kids that in the end, didn’t make the grade. Long, Hams, Montgomerie etcI think a lot on this board think its the end of the world a young player is not playing week in, week out in the AFL. Not just Hobbs, we've heard it with Tsatas and Bryan as well, Hayes. I think for once our player development is actually looking decent. Bryan and Roberts have come in and now look ready to stay in. Davey and Tsatas have been given games and looked not ready but were given a taste to see where they need to get to, what they need to work on and in Tsatas case simply getting continuity with his body and full game midfield minutes at any level is huge. The fact he's improving his kicking and racking up big clearance numbers is exciting for the future. Hobbs was in the side before injury and built up fitness and is now back in the side. All of our young players are resigning/resigned already. I think that points to them being happy with where they are at and how they are being developed
Some people seem to think development is simply choosing the youngest 23 players on your list and naming them to play AFL every week.Same was said about Parish, Langford, Laverde, and a host of other kids that in the end, didn’t make the grade. Long, Hams, Montgomerie etc
What about how he was in the side and playing well in the midfield and then did a calf? Decent calf by all reports as well. Im glad we havent rushed him back in. He's back in the side now and id be surprised if we dont see his midfield minutes increase over the next 2 weeks. He hasn't really been stuck playing VFL for extended periods at any stage of his career. If he asked to leave you look at it but i dont think he will.My concern is that in most clubs Hobbs would have played a heap more midfield time this season than he has with us. Its been more than two years since he won a rising star nomination and the clock is starting to tick. Theres nothing wrong with a thorough apprenticeship in the VFL if there is a pathway forward, but in his case the pathway isn't really there. It's at the point where he just needs to be played and it's not happening. It would be in everyones interest if he could be swapped for a similarly high draft pick in a club where he is a better fit. It's not going to happen i know but it's going to suck for him watching Tsatas get games ahead of him next season because he's got that bigger body and fills a need.