A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

[RedV3x]

It is truly shocking to see the growth the enemy code has made in NSW. If we don't act now, our kids could be kicking and fumbling Sherrins instead of learning the teamwork and tactical play of our traditional game, the NSW game, rugby league.

Why do you post this shyte ?
Contact codes lost out to soccer eons ago.
If rugby union hadn't banned Australian Football then it's be a different story in NSW.

 

[Bjo187]

Why do you post this shyte ?
Contact codes lost out to soccer eons ago.
If rugby union hadn't banned Australian Football then it's be a different story in NSW.

Lol 'the nsw game', more like the British game infiltrating what should be the Australian games territory. What a bunch of w***ers.

 

[madmug]

Yes, so WTF are the quotes then ?



WTF is "much more". Stick to the quantative facts and cut the qualitative stuff.
You do realise that Victoria's population is a concentrated 6.7 million compared to W.A.'s disperse population of 2.8 million.



And you've never answered any of my questions with FACTS.

Matter of fact near 80% of the WA population live in Perth.

Near 77% of Victoria's population live in Melbourne.

So dispersion is hardly a thing in either state!!

 

[RedV3x]

So dispersion is hardly a thing in either state!!

Yes, so WTF I'm still waiting for the quotes then ?
WTF is "much more". Stick to the quantative facts and cut the qualitative stuff.
You do realise that Victoria's population is a 6.7 million compared to W.A.'s population of 2.8 million.
That's more than twice the population, so W.A. is doing proportionally well.

 

[madmug]

Yes, so WTF I'm still waiting for the quotes then ?
WTF is "much more". Stick to the quantative facts and cut the qualitative stuff.
You do realise that Victoria's population is a 6.7 million compared to W.A.'s population of 2.8 million.
That's more than twice the population, so W.A. is doing proportionally well.

I was just pointing out a fact, Thats all.

Perth is 40% the size of Melbourne but only 20% as many clubs, WA should have 3 teams to give the locals more chance of being drafted in their own state. Vic kids have 10 clubs thus much better pro rata chance of being drafted. VFL bias again.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Lol 'the nsw game', more like the British game infiltrating what should be the Australian games territory. What a bunch of w***ers.

All football codes are British in origin

 

[Aussie in exile]

No intelligent person believes that the locals were playing AF on a cricket oval when the first fleet arrived

 

[MC Bad Genius]

No intelligent person believes that the locals were playing AF on a cricket oval when the first fleet arrived

Has anyone even suggested that?

 

[Bjo187]

No intelligent person believes that the locals were playing AF on a cricket oval when the first fleet arrived

I'm confused, are you saying anything produced in Australia is technically British because of Australia's British ancestry?

 

[RedV3x]

No intelligent person believes that the locals were playing AF on a cricket oval when the first fleet arrived

No intelligent person would make such an irrelevant statement.

 

[RedV3x]

All football codes are British in origin

Nah.
Different forms of football where played around the world before English scrapped on a field.
Marngrook in Australia could easily be the oldest form of football.
Most people are ignorant of the fact that Gaelic Football and other Gaelic sports were much more organised than English yearly scraps.
English football games weren't the first games codified as football.

 

[Angus Young]

No intelligent person believes that the locals were playing AF on a cricket oval when the first fleet arrived

No intelligent person believes that you are not an upset anti-AFL troll just being subtle enough not to get banned.

 

[Aussie in exile]

No intelligent person believes that you are not an upset anti-AFL troll just being subtle enough not to get banned.

How you hate the truth
Stop living in fantasy land and join the real world

 

[Aussie in exile]

I'm confused, are you saying anything produced in Australia is technically British because of Australia's British ancestry?

I'm confused, are you saying anything produced in Australia is technically British because of Australia's British ancestry?

I'm on about the football codes

 

[RedV3x]

Stop living in fantasy land and join the real world

Reality is
Different forms of football where played around the world well before English scrapped on a field.
Marngrook in Australia could easily be the oldest form of football.
Most people are ignorant of the fact that Gaelic Football and other Gaelic sports were much more organised than English yearly scraps.
Today, the GAA continues that tradition whilst golf and hockey have become mainstream.
English football games weren't the first games codified as football.

Reality is that you are indeed a troll and will use any excuse to attack Australian Football.

 

[Professor Knowall]

The initial 1859 rules was recognised as being distinctly different from any of then British codes only weeks after they were introduced is shown by the words of James Thompson (one of the four at the meeting that devised the first codified rules of Australia's own football code), who wrote shortly after the meeting (in The Victorian Cricketer’s Guide for 1859-60) -

“Football, as played in Victoria, is now fit to run alone. I have accordingly omitted [from this publication] the Rugby and Eton rules, because we have agreed to a code of our own…”

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. Play On Podcast 30.3.22

S. Zycman, AFLNSW/ACT CEO said

"I think the impact of Buddy in the Sydney market has been amazing for our game, & obviously the Giants in the West has been a huge win as well for building our brand. I really think there is momentum building with the AFL in Sydney...I feel the AFL is beginning to position itself as the sport of choice...I'm biased, but the AFL are doing a lot of great things in Sydney, & I feel we are becoming, potentially, the sport of choice....

AFL Sydney [local Premier Division] footy is broadcast every weekend on Kayo, livestreamed for 3, 4, or 5 games in most Rounds. We're the only footy league in Australia on a platform like Kayo".

(Scroll to 38 mins. 2 secs.- 40 mins. 55.secs).

Ex-Swan R. O'Keefe, now of AFLNSW/ACT, said

"Tony Lockett & Barry Hall had a much bigger impact on footy in Sydney & NSW, compared to Buddy. Sydney was already successful when Buddy arrived. Plugger brought the game to the forefront of Sydney, when no-one knew anything about it. Plugger made a monumental difference, as did Barry Hall, compared with Buddy.

(Scroll to 45 mins 40 secs.- 46 mins. 50 secs.).

Podcast - AFL NSW / ACT

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(Go to 30.3.22 podcast)


In 2018, GWS Chairman T. Shepherd said, for the AFL to reach its maximum potential & appeal in Sydney, it should not be played in the very heavily congested/multiple stoppages/low scoring style, but the former more free-flowing, & higher scoring style.

GWS chief: 'Ugly' congested style impacting on AFL's northern sell

Greater Western Sydney chairman Tony Shepherd has raised concerns about the on-field look of the game.

www.theage.com.au

The curent, scrappy, constant heavy flooding style of the AFL is counterproductive to promoting AF in NSW, ACT, & Qld. Sydney loves gun forwards, regularly kicking bags.!
The above Zyckman & O'Keefe conversation should also have mentioned W. Capper- a huge boost for AF in Sydney in the 1980's.

How much more quickly would the AFL, & GR AF, advance there if the AFL style was similar to the AFL's own "The Charter Of The Game"! And they actually played AF- Sydneysiders have seen already enough of boorish rugby!







2.

All football codes are British in origin

You often denigrate your self-designated "failing" expansion clubs, Gold Coast & GWS- similar to many RL fans.
It seems many RL fans are fearful of AF's very successful growth in NSW & Qld., especially since 2011.

I have asked you several times, when you claim these 2 clubs are are not financially viable, & are longterm AFL failures, to respond to several AFL officials (inc. R. Goyder, by imprimatur) & expert finance journalists, who said, in 2019, the 2 new clubs brought in an extra $50m-60m pa extra Rights $ for the additional 9th game (&, probably, other benefits for the AFL eg extra govt./council & private GR & AFL funding, GR growth etc.).

Gold Coast & GWS more than "pay their way". You always refuse to answer my rebuttal, that I put to you.

Like many RL fans, who perhaps fear the Australian invention of AF, you also have stated several times that AF is, basically, a British game.
There is some small truth in this, as the original Rules (considered by T. Wills & 3 others in 1859) were an amalgam of Rugby School, Eton, Harrow, & Winchester colleges' Rules- but the games, from 1858, were (no off-side etc.) still unique, cf to these English, very complex, football Rules.

As Dr G. de Moore wrote in his 2011 book, at pg 101

(In 1859) "He (Wills) wrote to his brother Horace: 'Rugby was not a game for us, we wanted a winter pastime but men could be harmed if thrown on the (hard Melbourne) ground so we thought differently' (Words in brackets, mine)".

 

[RedV3x]

as the original Rules (considered by T. Wills & 3 others in 1859) were an amalgam of Rugby School, Eton, Harrow, & Winchester colleges

Utter rubbish.

Here's the original 10 rules.

1. The distance between the Goals and the Goal Posts shall be decided upon by the Captains of the sides playing.
2. The Captains on each side shall toss for choice of Goal; the side losing the toss has the kick off from the centre point between the Goals
3. A Goal must be kicked fairly between the posts, without touching either of them, or a portion of the person of any player on either side.
4. The game shall be played within a space of not more than 200 yards [180 m] wide, the same to be measured equally on each side of a line drawn through the centres of the two Goals; and two posts to be called the "kick off posts" shall be erected at a distance of 20 yards [18 m] on each side of the Goal posts at both ends, and in a straight line with them.
5. In case the ball is kicked "behind" Goal, any one of the side behind whose Goal it is kicked may bring it 20 yards [18 m] in front of any portion of the space between the "kick off" posts, and shall kick it as nearly as possible in line with the opposite Goal.
6. Any player catching the ball "directly" from the foot may call "mark". He then has a free kick; no player from the opposite side being allowed to come "inside" the spot marked.
7. Tripping and pushing are both allowed (but no hacking) when any player is in rapid motion or in possession of the ball, except in the case provided for in Rule 6.
8. The ball may be taken in hand "only" when caught from the foot, or on the hop. In "no case" shall it be "lifted" from the ground.
9. When a ball goes out of bounds (the same being indicated by a row of posts) it shall be brought back to the point where it crossed the boundary-line, and thrown in at right angles with that line.
10. The ball, while in play, may under no circumstances be thrown.

Rules #1 & #2 are inconsequential
Rule #4, #5, #8 and #9 are unique.
Rule #6 was common to all football
Rules #7 #10 are anti-rugby rules

Gaelic Football was much more organised than English Football at the time and Gaelic Football may have indeed influenced
the origins of Australian Football but we don't know as Gaelic Football was not codified at the time,
however they must have been reasonably close for Gaelic Football to choose rules close to old Australian Football when they did codify.

It seems quite logical to me that the original committee envisaged a kick and catch game which was far removed from the English scrap of a game.
Indeed, before they penned the original rules a lot of experimentation had taken place as to the direction of the game
and that experimentation was of a game totally removed from the English farce.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. C. White, Regional Manager of AFL NSW/ACT, said 27.4:-

. GR AF is having good growth in the Central West.

. many clubs in the Central West have asked if an AFL pre-season match could be played in the Central West, to promote GR AF & the AFL etc. They have strong opposition from the NRL, & much stronger GR RL & soccer etc.
White said the only realistic venue now would be Wade Park in Orange; George Park in Bathurst also a future possibility, but it would require further development (from 14 mins. - 16 mins. 50 secs.).

. from July 2022, a new U10 comp. will start in the Central West- these kids played Auskick from April, & will transition to U10's. Travel distances are an issue in an H & A comp. in the Central West.

It is expected that, in 2023, there will be a full H & A comp. season for these kids (from 20 mins. 15 secs.- 21 mins.15 secs.).

Podcast - AFL NSW / ACT

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(Scroll to 27.4)






2. The "Battlers For Bush Footy" GR RL facebook site (main focus is promoting regional & rural NSW GR RL) on 23.4.22 said, re the nthn. NSW Casino RLFC First Grade men's side going into recess, there is an "AFL invasion".

"How many more [folding RL teams]....
Yet the town fields an AFL side...we need to stand strong in the face of the AFL invasion of NSW".

Battlers For Bush Footy

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(Scroll to 23.4)









3.

You would think NSW is better insulaled with smaller team number requirements for rugby and on average larger towns.

Yes, NSW, does have "on average, larger towns" cf all other States, except possibly Qld.; &, of course, RL requires only 13 players on the field, cf AF 's 18.

These advantages, however, have not prevented the major decline in GR male contact RL nos., throughout all NSW regional (inc. larger towns) & rural areas (but, above the Riverina, GR male contact RL still has much greater nos. than AF).

Last time money was just spent [by RA) on the top end of the game they neglected the grass roots as the NRL and AFL put money into that area and they game died off because of that

The problem for the NRL, however, was that for the 3 years between 2017-2019, the NRL HQ spent c. $36m pa on Community Development- yet their GR male contact nos. still declined; & the NRL slashed $25m (total reduction, 2020-2021) of this GR funding in the financial cutbacks of covid-restrained 2020 & 2021.

The AFL made minimal cuts to its GR funding.

 

[RedV3x]

The "Battlers For Bush Footy" GR RL facebook site (main focus is promoting regional & rural NSW GR RL) on 23.4.22 said, re the nthn. NSW Casino RLFC First Grade men's side going into recess, there is an "AFL invasion.
Yet the town fields an AFL side...we need to stand strong in the face of the AFL invasion of NSW"

Invasion ? Sounds like a simple matter of choice.

These advantages, however, have not prevented the major decline in GR male contact RL nos., throughout all NSW regional (inc. larger towns) & rural areas (but, above the Riverina, GR male contact RL still has much greater nos. than AF).

Why do you feel compelled to repost the obvious all the time?

 

[sherb]

Two teams in Sydney is plenty.

And a third team shouldn't even be entertained or considered until both teams here are established, well supported and successful.

The Swans seem to be there, but GWS is still a long way off.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. Elite AF back on beautiful North Sydney Oval.

The Swans Giants Female Winter Series started May 14, finishes 28.6. It is only for females who live in NSW or ACT- it includes players who are listed, & have already played, in the AFLW.

The Swans led the AFLW membership tally (from 18 Clubs) in season 2022A, with 4388 members (adults $50, kids $30)- even though they were not in the AFLW, then!
For AFLW Seaon 2022B, it is reasonable to expect the Swans will, again, head the membership tally.

Worryingly for the Swans, & their AFLW aspirations, the Giants won their first match 14.14- 1.4.
The Swans, however, in Round 4 on 11.6, won their first match against the Giants, 6.12 -3.2.

"The QBE Academy Opens team after their win over the Giants. Image: Keith McInnes
Opens

The QBE Academy Futures team after their win over the Giants. Image: Keith McInnes
Futures

Swans - 9.6.60
Giants - 6.7.43"

Two wins for QBE Academy teams

Official AFL Website of the Sydney Swans Football Club

www.sydneyswans.com.au

The Futures Teams are for potential AFLW players, who live only in NSW or the ACT.

The Swans' team in the AFLW will play their home games at Henson's Oval, Marrickville, Inner WS. The small North Sydney Oval is used for cricket in spring & summer, so unavailable for AF matches then; & NSWRL Cup (NRL Reserves) NS Bears in winter.

The last AFL match was on 16.2.07, when the Swans played Essendon in a pre-season game: crowd 9,560.

https://au.linkedin.com/company/north-sydney-oval

2.

Doesn’t matter bringing weapons to sport is ******* pathetic.

AFAIK, at no GR RL matches have players or spectators ever brought weapons to a match, with the premeditated intention to use them, on opposition players or fans; nor ever any actual use of weapons.

The 7.5.22 GR RL match, in the Penrith District JRL comp., was cancelled. This was due to earlier police advice that criminal gangs threatened (on social media) to attend, & threatened violence against opposition gang members. No gang violence at matches has since occurred, nor threats.

If criminal gang violence did become an issue in GR RL (it's not now), even if very rare, it would be bad PR for RL- the MSM loves "bad news stories".
The NRL & GR RL clubs would immediately act very harshly, to attempt to ensure there were no repeats.

Manly's J. Aloiai has publicly appealed- with public support from RL officials- for people not to join criminal gangs.

'It is heartbreaking': Game backs Aloiai's call to end gang wars

Manly coach Des Hasler has praised prop Josh Aloiai for using his profile to call for an end to the gang violence and “post-code wars” being blamed for the fatal stabbing of a teenager at Sydney’s Royal Easter Show.

www.nrl.com

 

[Bjo187]

1. Elite AF back on beautiful North Sydney Oval.

The Swans Giants Female Winter Series started May 14, & continues to July. It is only for females who live in NSW or ACT- it includes players who are listed, & have already played, in the AFLW.

The Swans led the AFLW membership tally, in season 2022A, with 4388 members (adults $50, kids $30)- even though they were not in the AFLW, then!

For AFLW Seaon 2022B (starting last week of August, AFL bye-Round), it is reasonable to expect the Swans will, again, head the membership tally.

Worryingly for the Swans, & their AFLW aspirations, the Giants won their first match 14.14- 1.4.
The Swans, however, in Round 4 on 11.6, won their first match against the Giants, 6.12 -3.2.

"The QBE Academy Opens team after their win over the Giants. Image: Keith McInnes
Opens

The QBE Academy Futures team after their win over the Giants. Image: Keith McInnes
Futures

Swans - 9.6.60
Giants - 6.7.43"

Two wins for QBE Academy teams

Official AFL Website of the Sydney Swans Football Club

www.sydneyswans.com.au

The Futures Team are for potential AFLW players, who live in NSW or the ACT.

The Swans' team in the AFLW will play their home games at Henson's Oval, Marrickville, Inner WS. The small North Sydney Oval is used for cricket in spring & summer, so unavailable for AF matches then; & NSWRL NS Bears in winter.








2.

AFAIK, at no GR RL matches have players or spectators ever brought weapons to a match, with the premeditated intention to use them, on opposition players or fans.

The 7.5.22 GR RL match, in the Penrith District JRL comp. was cancelled. This was due to earlier police advice that criminal gangs threatened (on social media) to attend, & threatened violence against opposition gang members. No gang violence at matches has since occurred.

If gang violence did become an issue in GR RL (it's not now), even if very rare, it would be bad PR for RL- the MSM loves "bad news stories".
The NRL & GR RL clubs would immediately act very harshly, to attempt to ensure there were no repeats.


Manly's J. Aloiai has publicly appealed- with public support from RL officials- for people not to join criminal gangs.

'It is heartbreaking': Game backs Aloiai's call to end gang wars

Manly coach Des Hasler has praised prop Josh Aloiai for using his profile to call for an end to the gang violence and “post-code wars” being blamed for the fatal stabbing of a teenager at Sydney’s Royal Easter Show.

www.nrl.com

Actually north sydney oval is a better sized ground for women's football.

 

[RedV3x]

Elite AF back on beautiful North Sydney Oval.

"The QBE Academy Opens team after their win over the Giants. Image: Keith McInnes
Opens

The QBE Academy Futures team after their win over the Giants. Image: Keith McInnes
Futures

Swans - 9.6.60
Giants - 6.7.43"

Deserving of a post by itself.
The North Sydney Oval is small, (typically 16-a-side) - ideal for AFLW ?

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Deserving of a post by itself.
The North Sydney Oval is small, (typically 16-a-side) - ideal for AFLW ?

I remember the first time I played on it - was miles better than any other ground I'd played on. Sucked to try and kick a goal from the pocket at the north end where the tree hung over the field though haha.