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I read an article in the early stages of this that said absent shack owners had been asked to send or drop off their keys so police could search the empty shacks.Another bunch of views of the shack - in all of the footage, they've been very careful not to show under the pergola, and obviously they haven't covered the rear of the shack. One interesting one is the wide photo which shows the larger shed part of the shack with the sliding door open. Obviously police have gone in there, either with or without the owner's permission.
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the fact is our lives our now dependent on wifi related, ip address's, i can scan with an python script, or an android app to find local even after VPN. So just be secure with not allowing in Apps, and sensiblilityThanks. I actually wouldn’t put it past a person like that to remotely watch a camp area filled with children, whether for the purpose of abducting one or just as a creep with the abduction idea developing over time. It’s probably not what happened IMO, but I think it’s plausible. It would certainly explain how they came to target Cleo and grab her so brazenly.
In my personal opinion, police have no real leads and their appeal for footage is to try to scrape something together by looking for vehicles that were in the area, following a route that would link to the campsite, and/or in an area “x” kms away at a time that would coincide with an abduction during the night. I think if they had an idea of a specific vehicle from early analysis of localized CCTV but hadn’t been able to find it they would have asked for the footage days ago. They have to maintain as one working theory the possibility that someone abducted her and is keeping her alive and took her goodness knows where, even if it’s only one possibility and not the most likely one.About 100 posts ago, someone pointed the finger at the stepdad... (I haven't read the latest 100 posts yet; so what I am about to mention may have already been covered by others?) ...
I watched the full version of the media interview the couple did...
They looked and acted totally innocent and beleaguered, especially the mum...
The stepdad did look heartbroken, but didn't say much...
The only thing the stepdad said (repeatedly) was; if you, (the viewing public) know anything; report it!!!
That either means exactly that ... or "go ahead, make my day - try reporting something ... but you can not be of any use ... because I am the one who really knows the truth about what happened"...
I also watched the latest piece that channel 9 did, posted on the MEDIA thread ... the police are asking for the public's help with cctv footage from a 1000km radius ... motels; fuel stops; rest stops etc etc ...
So I'm thinking that's more like an abduction; rather than a lone opportunistic sex predator - (and that the perp and child (alive) - (ie not in a shallow grave or stuffed in the trunk of the car etc); are travelling together .... so the child is known to perp/friend/relative perhaps?
But the most "concrete" and worrisome piece of news is that some of the campers etc in the area on that fateful Fri/Sat still have not come forward and identified themselves ... for whatever reason - they are avoiding contact with the police ... (and yes, there maybe other reasons that they don't like the police - other than because they are the ones who took her) ....
Also, in the 9 piece; the police stated first: "persons" (plural) then said "person" ...
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About 100 posts ago, someone pointed the finger at the stepdad... (I haven't read the latest 100 posts yet; so what I am about to mention may have already been covered by others?) ...
I watched the full version of the media interview the couple did...
They looked and acted totally innocent and beleaguered, especially the mum...
The stepdad did look heartbroken, but didn't say much...
The only thing the stepdad said (repeatedly) was; if you, (the viewing public) know anything; report it!!!
That either means exactly that ... or "go ahead, make my day - try reporting something ... but you can not be of any use ... because I am the one who really knows the truth about what happened"...
I also watched the latest piece that channel 9 did, posted on the MEDIA thread ... the police are asking for the public's help with cctv footage from a 1000km radius ... motels; fuel stops; rest stops etc etc ...
So I'm thinking that's more like an abduction; rather than a lone opportunistic sex predator - (and that the perp and child (alive) - (ie not in a shallow grave or stuffed in the trunk of the car etc); are travelling together .... so the child is known to perp/friend/relative perhaps?
But the most "concrete" and worrisome piece of news is that some of the campers etc in the area on that fateful Fri/Sat still have not come forward and identified themselves ... for whatever reason - they are avoiding contact with the police ... (and yes, there maybe other reasons that they don't like the police - other than because they are the ones who took her) ....
Also, in the 9 piece; the police stated first: "persons" (plural) then said "person" ...
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Wtfunderstand all the scenarios present, Just in my thoughts, she her 'Cleo Smith' , accidentally drowned, with some important people witnessed, the night ('fishing') social with some people or known persons there, and this is the end result,(tent zip) what i like to know is if the the acquaintances also had children at the time, and was invited for sleep over, there for taken the sleeping bag with her
Yeh straight up I though the parents for obvious reasons. But if there is cctv of her moving around the campsite before dark? The. I really don't see it. Someone said the mum had a very open Facebook account. Could have had a stalker on their for months. But the weird bit is, a stalker or known person would have to recognise the tent probably in the middle of the night and know which entrance to go in (i.e. not the one with the parents)... Plus it was a brand new tent so no one could scope it from Facebook photos. So how would a known person come to the camp at night and find the right tent in the middle of the night.If the kid hasn’t wandered off then I’m sorry, but I still can’t believe the parents weren’t involved.
Random abduction of a four year old (not a baby, a freaking four year old) from inside a zipped-up tent with her family? I just can’t buy it.
Might just be me I guess
Yeah, it's a bit of an odd interview. Mentions the time 4am and his body movements are odd.I can't stop re-watching this caretaker interview. They've got footage of him approaching and unzipping a door which i didn't pick up the first time
In his short interview he states he went searching by himself in an area he knew no one else could access
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I can't stop re-watching this caretaker interview. They've got footage of him approaching and unzipping a door which i didn't pick up the first time
In his short interview he states he went searching by himself in an area he knew no one else could access
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If the kid hasn’t wandered off then I’m sorry, but I still can’t believe the parents weren’t involved.
Random abduction of a four year old (not a baby, a freaking four year old) from inside a zipped-up tent with her family? I just can’t buy it.
Might just be me I guess
Fish and Chips for Dinner on Friday night for the Smith family?
Maybe an ice cream for desert.
understand all the scenarios present, Just in my thoughts, she her 'Cleo Smith' , accidentally drowned, with some important people witnessed, the night ('fishing') social with some people or known persons there, and this is the end result,(tent zip) what i like to know is if the the acquaintances also had children at the time, and was invited for sleep over, there for taken the sleeping bag with her
Is that a camera or exterior light?Another bunch of views of the shack - in all of the footage, they've been very careful not to show under the pergola, and obviously they haven't covered the rear of the shack. One interesting one is the wide photo which shows the larger shed part of the shack with the sliding door open. Obviously police have gone in there, either with or without the owner's permission.
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Rumour going around social media right now is that their house was broken into the Friday before Cleo went missing. If true, maybe a stalker involved.
Maybe the police have been investigating the breakin whilst everyone else's eyes and minds were on the camping ground and not on family home and surrounds. I am sure people living in areas around the family home will have cctv cameras. Fair bit of crime in Carnarvon.This seems a bit odd to me honestly. Surely when police interviewed the mother and step father in the days after her disappearance they would have asked about anything unusual like this in the preceding weeks. A break in a week prior is not something you’d both forget, and even if you did the first time, police are pretty relentless in these situations - interviewing day after day and asking the same questions different ways over and over again. So that they would only now be investigating this break in and checking the family home raises my eyebrows.
Yeh straight up I though the parents for obvious reasons. But if there is cctv of her moving around the campsite before dark? The. I really don't see it. Someone said the mum had a very open Facebook account. Could have had a stalker on their for months. But the weird bit is, a stalker or known person would have to recognise the tent probably in the middle of the night and know which entrance to go in (i.e. not the one with the parents)... Plus it was a brand new tent so no one could scope it from Facebook photos. So how would a known person come to the camp at night and find the right tent in the middle of the night.
Smart money is on the caretaker chap from the previous pages. Would have seen them arrive, scoped the kid, scoped the tent. Knows the area like the back of his hand. Can move around the campsite without raising suspicion. Goes on TV as the person desperate to find the kid searching all the 'unknown places' and said he thought it was an abduction straight up on the first morning.
Think they’re the same personSo is the guy about the caretaker or the owner of the catering van? Or are they the same person?