Traded Adam Cerra traded to Carlton for pick #6 and F3

[Jibroni]

Ohhhh boy now we are comparing Cerra to Langdon. Why are Melbourne chasing Cerra if they believe he is "average"

We cant afford him

 

[raffrox]

I think you are serioulsy overrating Cerra.. he might have gone pick 5 in the draft, but he would be lucky to be rated top 10 if it was redrafted now... Brayshaw, Naughton, Tim Kelly, Noah Balta, Liam Ryan, Bailey Fritsch, Tom McCartin would all be well in front and then would be even with players like Jaidyn Stephenson, LDU, Cam Rayner & James Worpel.. and that is in what on face value looks a pretty weak draft year.

Out of interest, did you check how much older Kelly, Fritsch and Ryan are than Cerra?

6 years, 3 years and 3 years respectively.

What kind of player do you think Cerra will be in three years. It's pretty fair to assume he's got improvement left as he's improved every season so far.

 

[Thetrader15]

I think he's probably in the same bracket as:
Treloar, 28 - 7, 2016/1
JOM - 10, 2017/2

Reckon it's either 2 firsts and a 2nd coming back or a first and a second - the strength of the draft and negotiating power will decide.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I think he's probably in the same bracket as:
Treloar, 28 - 7, 2016/1
JOM - 10, 2017/2

Reckon it's either 2 firsts and a 2nd coming back or a first and a second - the strength of the draft and negotiating power will decide.

If he was contracted maybe, but he isn't, pick 6 and 25 (even after academy/f/s) pushbacks with a later pick from Freo going back Carlton's way seems the fairest/most likely outcome.
Opposition/neutral supporters may bemoan that Cerra has or will nominate Carlton as his club of choice, but we are the Victorian Club that can only meet/satisfy Freo's trade demands/asking price.

 

[Glek]

Eh, confident 13 and 33 doesnt get it done if nominates Melbourne they'll have a plan to get it done properly, not through trying to shaft us. Melbourne have been brilliant at list management the last 5 years not because they've shafted the other team on the trade, but because every player as been the right for them and they've paid an appropriate price.

I think you are going to walk a very interesting tightrope this year if you want to get Neale back.

You can try to win every deal you enter but some you will win some you may lose. It is easy in hindsight to evaluate deals not so easy when the player wants out, he is uncontracted and would like some idea who is coaching him next year. Think Cerra will decide where he plays in 2022, not Freo, sorry to say.

Is it possible many of these brilliant list management decisions in the last 5 years were heavily criticised before and shortly after they were done? I would see Melbourne as a club able to give and take to get a deal done, not so fixated on exact pick numbers more proactive to chase the right player for their needs.

 

[Glek]

If he was contracted maybe, but he isn't, pick 6 and 25 (even after academy/f/s) pushbacks with a later pick from Freo going back Carlton's way seems the fairest/most likely outcome.
Opposition/neutral supporters may bemoan that Cerra has or will nominate Carlton as his club of choice, but we are the Victorian Club that can only meet/satisfy Freo's trade demands/asking price.

What just like you met GC's demands/asking when you secured Jack Martin? Think the player will get to the club of his choice.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Cerra will get to whatever club he nominates one way or another.

That doesnt always happen.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

That doesnt always happen.

Examples? For players OOC.

 

[Kings of Lygon]

What just like you met GC's demands/asking when you secured Jack Martin? Think the player will get to the club of his choice.

Unique circumstance. I doubt there will ever be a situation again where one club is receiving AFL compensation which makes offering what a lot of people considered fair for Martin, worth essentially nothing because they had so many picks already.

Examples? For players OOC.

Mitch Clark and Nick Stevens is about all I can think of...

 

[Glek]

Unique circumstance. I doubt there will ever be a situation again where one club is receiving AFL compensation which makes offering what a lot of people considered fair for Martin, worth essentially nothing because they had so many picks already.

So you did not meet their demands/asking price? Did the player get to the club of his choice? What you say is the real difference Freo cant afford to get zero picks for Cerra. Pick 13 & whatever other combination of picks will get a deal done. It's Freo pushing the Carlton bandwagon, not the player - plus it's not clear Carlton are prepared to offer pick 6 they may be in discussions to split that pick.

 

[Polo342]

So you did not meet their demands/asking price? Did the player get to the club of his choice? What you say is the real difference Freo cant afford to get zero picks for Cerra. Pick 13 & whatever other combination of picks will get a deal done. It's Freo pushing the Carlton bandwagon, not the player - plus it's not clear Carlton are prepared to offer pick 6 they may be in discussions to split that pick.

Disagree completely with this. Cerra also wants Fremantle to be compensated fairly according to a couple of articles.

 

[Tony_Clifton]

So you did not meet their demands/asking price? Did the player get to the club of his choice? What you say is the real difference Freo cant afford to get zero picks for Cerra. Pick 13 & whatever other combination of picks will get a deal done. It's Freo pushing the Carlton bandwagon, not the player - plus it's not clear Carlton are prepared to offer pick 6 they may be in discussions to split that pick.

Adam Saad was out of contract. Carlton gave up pick 8. Surely if you're right they could have paid less?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Disagree completely with this. Cerra also wants Fremantle to be compensated fairly according to a couple of articles.

Spot on, otherwise North Melbourne or Hawthorn would have been strongly linked to him via PSD.

I think the fact he has or will nominate Carlton is testament to that.

 

[Thetrader15]

If he was contracted maybe, but he isn't, pick 6 and 25 (even after academy/f/s) pushbacks with a later pick from Freo going back Carlton's way seems the fairest/most likely outcome.
Opposition/neutral supporters may bemoan that Cerra has or will nominate Carlton as his club of choice, but we are the Victorian Club that can only meet/satisfy Freo's trade demands/asking price.

Reckon North can too!

North, pies and crows should all be out there saying they'll take him in the PSD if it goes that way.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Reckon North can too!

North, pies and crows should all be out there saying they'll take him in the PSD if it goes that way.

What part of wanting to returning to Victoria and not wanting to screw Freo over don't you understand?

It's over mate. Cerra to Carlton is happening.

The Blues will give Freo a fair deal, he isn't going to the PSD.

 

[Kings of Lygon]

Reckon North can too!

North, pies and crows should all be out there saying they'll take him in the PSD if it goes that way.

The fact that nobody is speaking of North would suggest Cerra may have no interest is playing there.

Adelaide aren't going to pick him, they are still trying to rebuild their culture. The last thing they need is the distraction of a high profile player who has no desire to be there. Collingwood are nowhere near being able to afford him, they will struggle to keep their own yet again.

Highly doubt he heads to the PSD regardless.

 

[Fitzey]

It's over mate. Cerra to Carlton is happening.

As captain/coach? It’s looking that way. Would love to see that happen

 

[Glek]

Adam Saad was out of contract. Carlton gave up pick 8. Surely if you're right they could have paid less?

Very interesting you mentioned part of the Saad deal - super straight forward was it?. Maybe you would have been better quoting the whole deal. Maybe they did pay less? I actually agree with you had Saad been contracted it would have been 8 plus more. But he got to the club of his choice.

I think Melbourne will extract Pick 13 out of us and will top it up with a later pick of their own.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Very interesting you mentioned part of the Saad deal - super straight forward was it?. Maybe you would have been better quoting the whole deal. Maybe they did pay less? I actually agree with you had Saad been contracted it would have been 8 plus more. But he got to the club of his choice.

I think Melbourne will extract Pick 13 out of us and will top it up with a later pick of their own.

Although the Saad deal was clearly overs, it does show to opposition clubs, players and their agents that Carlton (rightly or wrongly) are prepared to get the deal done.

Anyhow Cerra does not want to play for Melbourne, he wants to play for Carlton.

It is what it is.

 

[gungho]

I think you are serioulsy overrating Cerra.. he might have gone pick 5 in the draft, but he would be lucky to be rated top 10 if it was redrafted now... Brayshaw, Naughton, Tim Kelly, Noah Balta, Liam Ryan, Bailey Fritsch, Tom McCartin would all be well in front and then would be even with players like Jaidyn Stephenson, LDU, Cam Rayner & James Worpel.. and that is in what on face value looks a pretty weak draft year.

Mate, give me whatever you're on. Cerra is the second most valuable on that list behind Naughton (that includes Brayshaw). And no, it wasn't a weak draft year. Lets put it this way - he's as good as Sam Walsh, just hasn't been playing for an inner city Melbourne team that over hypes its players and comes up with some vacuous permeation of "can you smell what we're cooking"/"they know we're coming" by its marketing team each season.

 

[Scotland]

he's as good as Sam Walsh

Mate, give me whatever you're on.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mate, give me whatever you're on. Cerra is the second most valuable on that list behind Naughton (that includes Brayshaw). And no, it wasn't a weak draft year. Lets put it this way - he's as good as Sam Walsh, just hasn't been playing for an inner city Melbourne team that over hypes its players and comes up with some vacuous permeation of "can you smell what we're cooking"/"they know we're coming" by its marketing team each season.

Look man, I love me some Cerra but he is clearly not as good as Walsh or Brayshaw as it stands. He will not be as good as Walsh over their careers

 

[gungho]

Look man, I love me some Cerra but he is clearly not as good as Walsh or Brayshaw as it stands. He will not be as good as Walsh over their careers

In the case of Brayshaw I didn't say as good....as I said as valuable.....which I reckon he is.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

In the case of Brayshaw I didn't say as good....as I said as valuable.....which I reckon he is.

Nah, Brayshaw has more runs on the board and he has shown to be more of a "drag you over the line" type player. I get where your coming from but I think AB's runs on the board have him ahead. Walsh is arguably the most valuable player in the league, or at least a tie with the King bro's IMO.

e: This is probably hyperbole Walsh is a top 10 valuable player in the league

 

[The Filth Wizard]

The fact that nobody is speaking of North would suggest Cerra may have no interest is playing there.

Adelaide aren't going to pick him, they are still trying to rebuild their culture. The last thing they need is the distraction of a high profile player who has no desire to be there. Collingwood are nowhere near being able to afford him, they will struggle to keep their own yet again.

Highly doubt he heads to the PSD regardless.

The fact nobody is speaking of North is because we've got no interest in him. In recent years our recruitment team could think of the name of a player and we got immediately linked to them. At that, Cerra's role isn't one we have as a need.

Of course, we'll keep every other team honest PSD wise. It'll never get that far.