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Your post very much blamed me for your misconceptions on the way Saad was treated.
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Traded Adam Saad [traded to Carlton with #48 and #78 for #8 and #87]
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I don’t blame you, I blame your club. Not sure what the misconceptions are about how he was treated. He said he wanted to leave and then all kinds of criticism of him was leaked. If I have got that wrong please enlighten me. When I played you supported your team, and if someone wanted to leave you didn’t bad mouth them. You tried to talk them into staying and made them feel an important part of your team. Essendon didn’t do this, and he probably feels slighted and can’t see a way back even if he wanted to go back. I just don’t see how Essendon can treat people this way and expect great results in player retention and then negotiations. I would feel the same way if Carlton treated players this way. A good club will thank players for playing in their team, providing service to their club, and wishing them well. Three classic examples this year where this isn’t the case. Collingwood with Treloar, Essendon with Saad, and North with Brown. We know North won’t get a good result in that trade. I don’t expect Collingwood will, and I don’t see why Essendon expect to. GWS have done a great job of respecting players when they leave. Brisbane have done so as well. Carlton celebrated Bryce Gibbs retirement with him after he left.
- Sep 28, 2007
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Oh really? Whats all this then?
Sorry, I haven't spoken to him about anything.
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Oh geez, the you was speaking about Essendon and their stance.
Don't even have to be part of that conversation to see that.
It is interesting that Carlton supporters bang on about Dodoro being unfair and unrealistic when they've been the beneficiaries of 2 of the most unfair and some would say underhanded deals in recent history with Gibbs and Martin (well I guess Martin wasn't a deal at all).
Then you look at Dodoro's record and lets say you look at the deals for Stringer, Saad, Smith and Shiel and sure a lot of them were last minute but they all got settled and most would say we paid fairly too.
Then you look at Dodoro's record and lets say you look at the deals for Stringer, Saad, Smith and Shiel and sure a lot of them were last minute but they all got settled and most would say we paid fairly too.
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Say what? You paid a future 2nd for Saad which you say most would feel was fair value, and you are giving Carlton a serve because we don't want to pay #8 alone for the same player who is 3 years older?
You sure fair value both ways isn't an Essendon perspective?
What was so unfair about our Martin offer?
If our ask for Gibbs was so bad, why did Adelaide make an even better offer a year later?
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Do you even realise how ironic this is?
Dodoro traded pick 35 and leveraged the go home factor to trade for a player of Saad's quality, whilst under contract. It was Adam Saad.
Hilarious fail.
Saad's value increased by playing consistently quality football over a period of 3 years with high finishes in the B&F and establishing himself as someone that wasn't just a rebounding defender but someone who could lock down and still be one of the best rebounders. Nobody rated him as a first rounder when we got him. Nobody was giving him 5 year deals at big money either.
Yeah your offer of using a psd pick for Martin. Definitely some classy trading there. To think you take shots at Essendon paying fair value.
Gibbs for 2 1st rounders at his age was a joke. Sadly for Adelaide they fell for it in their desperation. That asking price was so far above what most people would consider reasonable it wasn't even funny - especially the 2nd year round when the trade went through.
So yeah Carlton are developing quite the reputation for being unreasonable at the trade table. The same reputation that they assert Dodoro has.
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You clearly weren't part of the conversation.
My comment that he/she responded to wasn't about the club.
My "you" was about the poster. The reply "you" suddenly referred to the club i support.
Odd paradigm shift.
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You seem pretty unaware of the contract put forward to this old player.
Well with his obtuse attitude Dodoro may just end up with no deal come Thursday evening and since Adam has already walked we’ll see how the PSD outcome.
At the very least the record will reset should Dodoro want his man, he’ll finally have to pay the correct price, as he demands pay p7 , Karma will have finally come back to bite , the Suns deal was a farse and everyone knows that.
At the very least the record will reset should Dodoro want his man, he’ll finally have to pay the correct price, as he demands pay p7 , Karma will have finally come back to bite , the Suns deal was a farse and everyone knows that.
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You seem pretty unaware how many times the big contract = worth lots in a trade has rightfully been explained to be a poor and baseless argument.
Is that also the contract where he was offered the same amount at Essendon but rejected? Pretending like it's overs or some huge contract is just disingenuous.
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What we pay him to extract shouldn't reflect what we pay to trade for him.
The only public offer announced was Carlton wanting Saad and 48 for pick 8 but the Bombers knocked it back. On trade radio they said Bombers havn't been very good at counter offering...
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Any chance a deal gets done today? Carlton being more than reasonable or does Dodoro need to put on another jacket?
the AFL sets up a live media panel on the last day Thursday, major trades are held off so they can live report and show Dodo entering the room with his 5 jackets.
It's all theatrics but people buy in this whole "difficult to deal" "disgruntal player never to returning" ect ect and it triggers everyone every year.
It's amazing people fall for it all the time
It's all theatrics but people buy in this whole "difficult to deal" "disgruntal player never to returning" ect ect and it triggers everyone every year.
It's amazing people fall for it all the time
So what about the contract? A contract is based on what the player will offer the club for the next couple of years. A trade price is based on what the player will offer the club for the rest of their career.
Every club wants to maximize the outcome, I don't blame any list manager for that
BnF - Shows Saad has been extremely durable and a consistent performer in a middle tier club that had many better players out injured over that duration. Should we be asking for a similar pick for Plowman? No
Martin - GC were handed a number of free picks, so they were more intent on asking overs and or making a statement, then contradicting that with the trade with the Cats that netted Sharp. Wouldn't use GC as a measuring stick of sound trading strategies
Gibbs was contracted, shouldn't even be used as an example in this discussion, just like JD last year, yet the outcomes for both clubs was vastly different
Saad is worth a total value in the 16- 20 range
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Didn’t a senior gold coast staff member get roasted for sticking to their stupid demands for Jack Martin over getting a reasonable deal done? Maybe it is a good comparison to the Saad trade after all.
this is the thing. and people fall for it every single year.
Cameron, Dunkley, Treloar, Saad, Fantasia, Brown, etc.
They aren't happening before late today.
just be patient. it will get done.
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I still just dont get why doing this is seen as so negative, why wouldn't a club use any advantage it had.. It blows my mind that this doesn't happen more regularly.. Take Jackson Hately at Adelaide, why would Adelaide give up anything at all to GWS when they can take him for nothing in the PSD.
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Dodoro is the master.. Its all a game to him and he loves it... But then when you put your list together and get to round 1, Essendon fans realise that this clown has been in charge of list management since 1999 and they haven't won a final for 14 years... and he still has a job. But Dodoro gets to be the star of trade week every year...
- Sep 22, 2011
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yes nice try. Cos he’s clearly the same player he was then.What did Sydney pay for Josh Kennedy again? What’s that? Players improve?
- Sep 22, 2011
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Rent free
well and truly
but you need to divorce a couple of things
He manages the contract side of the list quite well. We've never had a squeeze in his time. And he trades well in terms of the clubs interest
Drafting is sketchy, and list balance/depth is an areas we've struggled with (too many projects/prototypes/hybrids, not enough specialists)
On the final stuff - he isn't a coach. Or part of player development.
recruiters don't win finals.
