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Will Simpson be Head Coach at WCE in 2024


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IMHO the real question is who are our development coaches?

Currently Mark Nicoski, Kyle Horsely and Jacob Brennan. To the best of my recollection, Horsely and Brennan are reasonably new acquisition, but Nicoski has been in his role for 8 years now.
Ok thanks for the heads up....add Nicoski onto the 2022 chopping list as well.
 

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There is no other solution, how else can you do it?

My preferred solution is to beef up current Beagles arrangement through recruitment of more league standard players. This will address this glaring weakness in our current total structure.

In making that statement I do confess I am not across the ‘restrictions’ we have to operate under and it may be a case of eroding the restrictions until we get to a point where the ideal is achieved.

If my preference is ‘pie in the sky, you’re dreaming land’ then next best is sprinkle our players across the league. In other words a back to the future solution.
 
How do Adelaide do this? They are 4-1 in the SANFL and have had a mix of up and down seasons. They are the closest comparison.

Other than Nathan Freeman and their senior listed players I don't recognise any of the names in their SANFL 22 this week.

I do feel like the Beagles are set up to fail not being a real WAFL team first and foremost. Our injury list and COVID hasn't helped, but having a reserves team and then picking Black from West Perth and Giro from Subi as fill ins is just weird. But the non-listed players are WAFL ring-ins really so we are hardly going to call them up.

The WCBE game-plan has been exposed for so long and only now getting changed which has seen a bit more fight and competitive WAFL team ..
 
My preferred solution is to beef up current Beagles arrangement through recruitment of more league standard players. This will address this glaring weakness in our current total structure.

In making that statement I do confess I am not across the ‘restrictions’ we have to operate under and it may be a case of eroding the restrictions until we get to a point where the ideal is achieved.

If my preference is ‘pie in the sky, you’re dreaming land’ then next best is sprinkle our players across the league. In other words a back to the future solution.

Your preference unfortunately just can’t happen as you would be asking league players from other WAFL clubs to come and play for the Eagles for less money that they already get and also to come and play for a club who does not have the mandate to win the flag in that comp.
Are the other WAFL clubs ever going to agree to let the Eagles have the sane salary cap knowing they are playing 6-20 AFL listed players weekly? No chance in hell and I could not imagine anyone sane person would think that would be ok.
Farming the players across the WAFL clubs is the best system for player development and that system has some issues also.
I have not seen and ounce of proof that having our own side benefits our A grade side and it benefits the clubs development.
All in my opinion of course.
 
Your preference unfortunately just can’t happen as you would be asking league players from other WAFL clubs to come and play for the Eagles for less money that they already get and also to come and play for a club who does not have the mandate to win the flag in that comp.
Are the other WAFL clubs ever going to agree to let the Eagles have the sane salary cap knowing they are playing 6-20 AFL listed players weekly? No chance in hell and I could not imagine anyone sane person would think that would be ok.
Farming the players across the WAFL clubs is the best system for player development and that system has some issues also.
I have not seen and ounce of proof that having our own side benefits our A grade side and it benefits the clubs development.
All in my opinion of course.

I was thinking more along the lines of chasing players from other parts of Oz who want a change of scenery, different league etc (Logan Young type example) or those who have been delisted at AFL rather than local players.

But as you’ve indicated there are other hurdles - which may be set too high. I can live in hope.

Certainly, like you, I’m far from convinced the current model is suitable.
 
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Just happened to hear the fearless leader on podcast sportsday wa. It was still a case of wait till we get everyone back and then we might be able to assess where our list is at … denial much

Link to those who want to listen.


Simmo starts 30 min in and interview goes for 25mins.
 

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Plenty of others along with 95% of the board seeing Simpson as being a dead man walking

The narrative from the coach and the club seems to of changed very quickly. Now we are to expect these beltings and expect to be non competitive and to all just sit back and cop it and understand the club knows what it's doing.
Getting belted every week will do more harm than good. In my opinion if we are not competitive the next two games then he should be let go. We have a ready made coach just sitting there ready to see out the year.
 
The narrative from the coach and the club seems to of changed very quickly. Now we are to expect these beltings and expect to be non competitive and to all just sit back and cop it and understand the club knows what it's doing.
Getting belted every week will do more harm than good. In my opinion if we are not competitive the next two games then he should be let go. We have a ready made coach just sitting there ready to see out the year.
Yep- the narrative change has been shocking and shows the club has had the rug pulled out from under. First few weeks were positive and focusing on having a crack. They would have believed that getting close to the best 22 back would see them be competitive (as would most people), but clearly had no appreciation of how off the mark our fitness is. Rushing all the players back who are unfit has upset the entire team balance and destroyed everyone's confidence. It has been an absolute disaster.

Now they seem to have embraced the idea that we're shit and are rebuilding. Makes you wonder what could have happened if they had kept the young guys in and brought the senior players in slowly once they'd gathered match fitness in the WAFL.
 
Yep- the narrative change has been shocking and shows the club has had the rug pulled out from under. First few weeks were positive and focusing on having a crack. They would have believed that getting close to the best 22 back would see them be competitive (as would most people), but clearly had no appreciation of how off the mark our fitness is. Rushing all the players back who are unfit has upset the entire team balance and destroyed everyone's confidence. It has been an absolute disaster.

Now they seem to have embraced the idea that we're shit and are rebuilding. Makes you wonder what could have happened if they had kept the young guys in and brought the senior players in slowly once they'd gathered match fitness in the WAFL.

We were having one last crack at a flag just a few months ago. Sounds funny now.
 
We were having one last crack at a flag just a few months ago. Sounds funny now.

I tried to find some of Simmos old press conferences or speeches from last year to check this for myself (last week) just to understand whether they had a read on themselves or not.

For whatever reason I couldn't find a season wrap/BnF or season launch speech but I found one at the closure of our season and they kind of had a bet each way but he did allude to some transitioning and I don't recall him mentioning finals once.

I think they knew, but I don't think they expected this fall.
 
I tried to find some of Simmos old press conferences or speeches from last year to check this for myself (last week) just to understand whether they had a read on themselves or not.

For whatever reason I couldn't find a season wrap/BnF or season launch speech but I found one at the closure of our season and they kind of had a bet each way but he did allude to some transitioning and I don't recall him mentioning finals once.

I think they knew, but I don't think they expected this fall.

That could be correct but the one thing I can't get passed is that the players are not trying 100%. It looks from afar that he has lost the players. I am not seeing an endeavour from the players that shows me that we will do anything to be competitive. That really worries me because there is one thing going into a rebuild because the list has well and truly bottomed out and another to go into with a coach who the players are no longer listening to.

It will of course all come out in the wash over the next few months. Thank God my mighty Falcons give me some pleasure.
 
That could be correct but the one thing I can't get passed is that the players are not trying 100%. It looks from afar that he has lost the players. I am not seeing an endeavour from the players that shows me that we will do anything to be competitive. That really worries me because there is one thing going into a rebuild because the list has well and truly bottomed out and another to go into with a coach who the players are no longer listening to.

It will of course all come out in the wash over the next few months. Thank God my mighty Falcons give me some pleasure.

Consistency of effort and focus are the big things I agree. Games against North and Magpies I was really happy with what I saw. Give me 22 losses with that sort of endeavour. We dust off the Rolls Royces and everything goes to shit.

I can't help but think some of these older boys are so engrained in playing the old way that they can't mix it up. The kids come in and play with free wheeling freedom and spirit and we look lively.

We're at the point the decision is being made for us now. Covid and injuries have mixed things up. In a way I'm glad it's given the club a blunt assessment of where theyre at. It's painful but better than finishing around 10th for the next two to three seasons.

No stone should be left unturned now. If you listen to what Nisbett said before last week's game and then consider how the game went, I suspect full scale reviews are already being planned or underway. This is the 2021 F1 season and we're already blueprinting our 2022 car and have no intention of competing in the current season. Apologies to anyone who doesn't follow F1 and is wondering wtf Im talking about.
 
The narrative from the coach and the club seems to of changed very quickly. Now we are to expect these beltings and expect to be non competitive and to all just sit back and cop it and understand the club knows what it's doing.
Getting belted every week will do more harm than good. In my opinion if we are not competitive the next two games then he should be let go. We have a ready made coach just sitting there ready to see out the year.

If it ends up being 3 100 point losses in a row or thereabouts, agree the club needs to bite the bullet if Simpson doesn’t read the tea leaves and resign. Surely he is smart enough not to compromise his post coaching career with the worst season in eagles history.

Get a new coach in as a caretaker and let’s see which players improve for the rest of the year with more freedom, change and excitement. Obviously I’ll get lambasted for the payout to Simpson if he doesn’t resign, but shuffle him to some list management, development type role. Better than paying him to do nothing like half our A grade players
 
Yeah if we cop 2 more absolute beltings in the next 2 weeks (looks highly likely) and go into the bye on 1-11, I think he’ll walk. Whether that’s right or wrong, I’m not sure. I’d like to think he’s got it in him to oversee a rebuild, but I don’t think the club will accept a spoon year and let him stay on.
 
With another Covid-wracked side heading to the Gabba to play Brisbane who are flying, every chance it’s a second 100-point loss.

Then we’ve got the undefeated defending premiers the following week.

If your criteria is “three thrashings in a row and Simpson has to go”, then I think you’ve pretty much decided already.
 
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