Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[Cuzz09]

Yeah exactly. When I say nothing will change til 2024... I mean NOTHING.

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[Chris_6678]

Gets hard to drop players with Covid and Injuries. This week the WAFL team might have to miss a game with lack of players so dropping a player to do nothing over the weekend is pointless.

I seriously think the idea of a separate WAFL team is just pointless. Freo can at least develop their players at Peel when we are filling our team with Ammo players.

 

[ziad]

Gets hard to drop players with Covid and Injuries. This week the WAFL team might have to miss a game with lack of players so dropping a player to do nothing over the weekend is pointless.

I seriously think the idea of a separate WAFL team is just pointless. Freo can at least develop their players at Peel when we are filling our team with Ammo players.

Great concept poorly executed. I understand WAFL narkiness is the cause.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Maybe we should leave the WAFL and join the VFL?

Keen for it to then be renamed the AFL Reserves too.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Maybe we should leave the WAFL and join the VFL?

Keen for it to then be renamed the AFL Reserves too.

How will that change anything? Reasonable second tier players are still not going to want to play seconds for an AFL club.
Changing the name of the comp to AFL reserves doesn’t change the fact that AFL reserves sides are 3rd or 4th tier footy sides.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Great concept poorly executed. I understand WAFL narkiness is the cause.

Nothing to do with the WAFL, it’s all on West coast who want to keep changing things.
Go back to farming the players out and development will return.

 

[RookiePick]

Nothing to do with the WAFL, it’s all on West coast who want to keep changing things.
Go back to farming the players out and development will return.

When the onus is on the player to perform to a WAFL standard, against grown men, I think it has to sort out the wheat from the chaff pretty well. Certainly much better than what we are currently achieving with the Beagles is at any rate.

The straight truth of it is if a WAFL level player is holding out an AFL draftee with a couple of pre-seasons under their belt, the AFL draftee is probably not going to cut the mustard at the level above. There will be the odd exception, particularly around KPP's, but I think it will hold true for pretty much all your small and medium sized players.

 

[ziad]

Nothing to do with the WAFL, it’s all on West coast who want to keep changing things.
Go back to farming the players out and development will return.

Arnt there restrictions on number that can be recruited, salary caps etc, etc.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Arnt there restrictions on number that can be recruited, salary caps etc, etc.

yes very fair ones that make sure they can’t recruit more than WAFL clubs and taking into account the Eagles in a normal season will have over half their team AFL listed.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

How will that change anything? Reasonable second tier players are still not going to want to play seconds for an AFL club.
Changing the name of the comp to AFL reserves doesn’t change the fact that AFL reserves sides are 3rd or 4th tier footy sides.

Would be good if list sizes were increased again and we had a model where reserves players can step up to the big league.

Just seems the WAFL clubs don't want the Eagles as a standalone club or want to align with them like Peel do with Freo, WAFL supporting stalwarts like yourself don't want the Eagles as a (competitive) standalone club, while the Eagles themselves want their players to all play together, so to me anyway a national reserves competition makes the most sense so the WAFL can wave goodbye to the Eagles and the Eagles still get all their players playing together like every other AFL club.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I think the restrictions were relaxed a bit this year, but other than having a lot more players on our list than in previous years (currently 26 vs about 16 in other years) we don’t seem to have taken advantage of it. The only player with AFL experience on the list is Pickett and he can’t get a game.

Adding nearly-drafted young guys like Browne wouldn’t have been possible in previous years.

I think the model we’ve currently got will work, provided the club puts the effort into supporting and developing the WAFL side. I’m not sure that’s happening right now.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Would be good if list sizes were increased again and we had a model where reserves players can step up to the big league.

Just seems the WAFL clubs don't want the Eagles as a standalone club or want to align with them like Peel do with Freo, WAFL supporting stalwarts like yourself don't want the Eagles as a (competitive) standalone club, while the Eagles themselves want their players to all play together, so to me anyway a national reserves competition makes the most sense so the WAFL can wave goodbye to the Eagles and the Eagles still get all their players playing together like every other AFL club.

I do want them competitive but I don’t want them given any concession another WAFL club doesn’t get. We have seen when our top side side is healthy our side in the WAFL is more than competitive.
For some reason many are ignoring the facts that our club is in a bad way. Your bottom side in your club is hardly going to shine in this circumstance.
Still yet to see any proof having a seconds side is better in anyway.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Still yet to see any proof having a seconds side is better in anyway.

The last 15 premierships have been won by a side that had its reserves playing together.

 

[Monocle]

I think the restrictions were relaxed a bit this year, but other than having a lot more players on our list than in previous years (currently 26 vs about 16 in other years) we don’t seem to have taken advantage of it. The only player with AFL experience on the list is Pickett and he can’t get a game.

Adding nearly-drafted young guys like Browne wouldn’t have been possible in previous years.

I think the model we’ve currently got will work, provided the club puts the effort into supporting and developing the WAFL side. I’m not sure that’s happening right now.

I also think with the Eagles long injury list and the continuous Covid outs each week, that thus far, this year of the Beagles, can only be viewed as an aberration.

Hard for any team to get any continuity in game style and game plan, with the sheer volume of changes and the uncertainty of availability each week.

Therefore, IMO it's just too difficult to judge how, the relaxed restrictions that were put in place for this season, have impacted the competition.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The last 15 premierships have been won by a side that had its reserves playing together.

Haha, they all have a seconds side in tat time or an alignment.
What about the 20 years before that, how is it possible sides won flags?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Haha, they all have a seconds side in tat time or an alignment.
What about the 20 years before that, how is it possible sides won flags?

14 of the 20 before that had their reserves playing together. So 29 of the last 35.

Only exceptions are our first three flags and the three SA flags.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

14 of the 20 before that had their reserves playing together. So 29 of the last 35.

Only exceptions are our first three flags and the three SA flags.

Still don’t get what your point is. The VIC clubs have always had a reserved side and or an aligned side. Like forever.

So you are saying we and the SA sides would of certainly win more if we had of had a reserves side?

Finally the code is broken why we have not gone back to back and won more flags with our great lists.

Thank you

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Still don’t get what your point is. The VIC clubs have always had a reserved side and or an aligned side. Like forever.

So you are saying we and the SA sides would of certainly win more if we had of had a reserves side?

Finally the code is broken why we have not gone back to back and won more flags with our great lists.

Thank you

I was being a smartarse, you’ll be surprised to learn, but my main argument for having a reserves side is this: Everyone else has one, so us becoming the only side to farm players out across the state comp would either give us a competitive advantage or a competitive disadvantage.

And I don’t see how having our players who are vying for selection playing across eight different teams in eight different systems playing in roles that are at the whim of eight different head coaches and not necessarily roles they’re even in the mix for at senior level is going to be a competitive advantage. It’s far more likely to be a competitive disadvantage.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I was being a smartarse, you’ll be surprised to learn, but my main argument for having a reserves side is this: Everyone else has one, so us becoming the only side to farm players out across the state comp would either give us a competitive advantage or a competitive disadvantage.

And I don’t see how having our players who are vying for selection playing across eight different teams in eight different systems playing in roles that are at the whim of eight different head coaches and not necessarily roles they’re even in the mix for at senior level is going to be a competitive advantage. It’s far more likely to be a competitive disadvantage.

Development should be the paramount reason any AFL club has for their seconds team.

The pros of having a stand alone side are the ones you mentioned, all being together, training together, same game plan.

This however does have some cons as follows.

The Eagles have no mandate or any real interest in winning the WAFL premiership.
The players know they are basically just training every weekend and have no real pressure on them to perform.
The players don’t get to run out with players who are hungry as hell for success, it is a stepping stone only for the Eagles and hence because of these game day issues they will not develop as well.

No one system will be perfect, I keep hearing let’s have an AFL seconds comp but outside of AFL listed players no one will want to play in it.

My interest is in the Eagles developing their players the best way and in my opinion playing with their WAFL clubs seems to be the best system for that. It has its down falls but it’s better than what we have.

If I was Adam Simpson I would want to hear from a WAFL coach that player x is struggling to get a kick, is lazy and why did you draft him, I Would also like to hear that yes we played him as a small forward as asked and he never touched it fir a half, we swung him into the midfield and he looked more at home.

These are the truth types of things I am not sure are happening because players are just pigeon holed.

Anyway just rambling now, each to their own. I want our drafted players to develop better and quicker and I yhink thst is the farm out system.
Unfortunately like you said as all clubs have their own we will as well.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Development should be the paramount reason any AFL club has for their seconds team.

The pros of having a stand alone side are the ones you mentioned, all being together, training together, same game plan.

This however does have some cons as follows.

The Eagles have no mandate or any real interest in winning the WAFL premiership.
The players know they are basically just training every weekend and have no real pressure on them to perform.
The players don’t get to run out with players who are hungry as hell for success, it is a stepping stone only for the Eagles and hence because of these game day issues they will not develop as well.

Yep, that’s what needs to be addressed, but I still think addressing it within the Beagles setup is the best model. Rather than throwing our hands up and saying “we can’t develop these guys, let’s send them off to Swans and East Perth and the Falcons and everyone else and get them to do it”.

 

[The_Gambler]

Development should be the paramount reason any AFL club has for their seconds team.

The pros of having a stand alone side are the ones you mentioned, all being together, training together, same game plan.

This however does have some cons as follows.

The Eagles have no mandate or any real interest in winning the WAFL premiership.
The players know they are basically just training every weekend and have no real pressure on them to perform.
The players don’t get to run out with players who are hungry as hell for success, it is a stepping stone only for the Eagles and hence because of these game day issues they will not develop as well.

No one system will be perfect, I keep hearing let’s have an AFL seconds comp but outside of AFL listed players no one will want to play in it.

My interest is in the Eagles developing their players the best way and in my opinion playing with their WAFL clubs seems to be the best system for that. It has its down falls but it’s better than what we have.

If I was Adam Simpson I would want to hear from a WAFL coach that player x is struggling to get a kick, is lazy and why did you draft him, I Would also like to hear that yes we played him as a small forward as asked and he never touched it fir a half, we swung him into the midfield and he looked more at home.

These are the truth types of things I am not sure are happening because players are just pigeon holed.

Anyway just rambling now, each to their own. I want our drafted players to develop better and quicker and I yhink thst is the farm out system.
Unfortunately like you said as all clubs have their own we will as well.

You are correct. You should play football to win. We have created a culture at the Beagles where this isn’t the case. Maybe this impacts the seniors? But it definitely dampens the instincts and mental toughness of players

 

[Chump Change]

Yeah exactly. When I say nothing will change til 2024... I mean NOTHING.

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It's going to be hard to keep him.

They're all backing him in now while they have job security. But another couple of 100+ point losses and a few 60+ point losses and you're board position is on the line if you don't take action.

Besides, let's say he sees it out. Come 2024 we'll still be bottom 4 and the ascendency will look years off. No one is going to back a coach in for that long.

 

[RookiePick]

I was being a smartarse, you’ll be surprised to learn, but my main argument for having a reserves side is this: Everyone else has one, so us becoming the only side to farm players out across the state comp would either give us a competitive advantage or a competitive disadvantage.

And I don’t see how having our players who are vying for selection playing across eight different teams in eight different systems playing in roles that are at the whim of eight different head coaches and not necessarily roles they’re even in the mix for at senior level is going to be a competitive advantage. It’s far more likely to be a competitive disadvantage.

I think it would be a competitive advantage.

The listed players have to compete for their place in the seniors, they have to compete for game wins. They have to compete to win their team mate's respect.

If there is one thing our sides seem to lack, it's a desire to compete. Maybe that's the only the only thing they need to learn at their WAFL club.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I can see the pros and cons of both sides.

There's plenty that someone can learn not being in an AFL environment full time. Seeing mature men that juggle their love and passion for football at a semi professional level with their careers, would definitely bring some good balance into a kids life that would otherwise be living in the AFL bubble 24/7.

Maybe the best route would be that instead of us having a standalone WAFL Club, they make a new WAFL Club that we are aligned to, though I'm not sure where we would be set up.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Thought knights spoke well in today's presser - was surprised when he said he'd only been over at the club 3-4 months.

If him and schofield missed most of the preseason it's not surprising we haven't seen the changes to gameplan we hoped to have seen (even in spite of the covid/injury chaos).

Does this give Simmo some more time? Probably another year at least.