Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[illegaleagle]

I don't understand this club. Every team but WC in the league would have sacked their coach with Simpson's past 2 years. He got lucky once and wasn't able to back it up having the best team in the league for at least 2, if not 3 years, yet the club believes he is good just because he got lucky once

Essendon have a review of the club after there start to the year and there 3 games clear of us, what are we doing after eagles worst season on record?

 

[kaiserchief13]

Essendon have a review of the club after there start to the year and there 3 games clear of us, what are we doing after eagles worst season on record?

Exactly. It's really infuriating

 

[kaiserchief13]

And maybe that's why we are one of the most successful teams in the last decade, because we don't make knee jerk decisions on a whim like other clubs do.

So 1 flag when you have the best team in the league for more than 1 year is acceptable? 2019 and 2020 WC both should have made top 4 but Simpson wasn't up to it. Buckley is gone from Collingwood and they made the prelim in 2019 when they had a far inferior team to WC in 2019. Just because a coach gets lucky once doesn't make him good and give him a million years to have another chance at getting lucky.

We don't get the 6 month pay out clause like the AFL owned clubs do, thats why.

He's also more successful than most coaches in the AFL, plus the club's acknowledged were going to rebuild. W/L won't won't the KPI for him next year.

So WC subsidise other teams but other teams don't subsidise WC when they need it? How is he more successful? 1 flag? Big woop the squad he had should have won more than 1.

 

[bzparkes]

So 1 flag when you have the best team in the league for more than 1 year is acceptable? 2019 and 2020 WC both should have made top 4 but Simpson wasn't up to it. Buckley is gone from Collingwood and they made the prelim in 2019 when they had a far inferior team to WC in 2019. Just because a coach gets lucky once doesn't make him good and give him a million years to have another chance at getting lucky.

So WC subsidise other teams but other teams don't subsidise WC when they need it? How is he more successful? 1 flag? Big woop the squad he had should have won more than 1.

You do realise a far superior Richmond won 3 flags either side of our 1, right?

I really cannot fathom where people get this idea that we 'should' have won more than 1 flag during this period.

This was with mostly the same list that people thought was cooked at the end of Woosha's reign and Sumich stated we needed to rebuild.

Richmond arguably should've won 4 on the trot.

 

[kaiserchief13]

You do realise a far superior Richmond won 3 flags either side of our 1, right?

I really cannot fathom where people get this idea that we 'should' have won more than 1 flag during this period.

This was with mostly the same list that people thought was cooked at the end of Woosha's reign and Sumich stated we needed to rebuild.

Richmond arguably should've won 4 on the trot.

Richmond were coached far better, they didn't have a more talented squad.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

They had more top 5 picks, therefore they were better.

 

[Cuzz09]

I think had we made Prelims in 19 and 20 wed have a different view and been reasonably happy with the 'era'

We shit the bed late those years

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[UseR2006]

Essendon have a review of the club after there start to the year and there 3 games clear of us, what are we doing after eagles worst season on record?

West Coast have ALWAYS done post season reviews. That's common knowledge.

 

[UseR2006]

I think had we made Prelims in 19 and 20 wed have a different view and been reasonably happy with the 'era'

We s**t the bed late those years

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One of those was a Willie does dumb shit wreck.

 

[Chump Change]

Richmond were coached far better, they didn't have a more talented squad.

Their top 5 or 6 was as good as, if not better than their flag rivals. Then throw in some coaching to give them that final separation.

 

[bh90210fan]

Exactly. It's really infuriating

Haven’t you been calling for Simmo’s head since 2017?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Haven’t you been calling for Simmo’s head since 2017?

Pretty sure it started earlier than that.

 

[bh90210fan]

Pretty sure it started earlier than that.

Probably started after Simmo fluked a prelim win against the Roos in ‘15

 

[bzparkes]

Their top 5 or 6 was as good as, if not better than their flag rivals. Then throw in some coaching to give them that final separation.

Don't forget minimal travel and 7 games at home leading into finals.

 

[Cuzz09]

One of those was a Willie does dumb s**t wreck.

I 100% blame Willie for derailing 19. Idiot

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[Cuzz09]

I 100% blame Willie for derailing 19. Idiot

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Willie the idiot... not u... just clarifying


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[Chump Change]

I 100% blame Willie for derailing 19. Idiot

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Ever noticed how many 50s he gives away, especially at crucial times? One one hand he's got x-factor coming out of his ass, on the other he's got dumbarsery coming out of his brain.

 

[DickDunn]

From Roo, to Eagle ... Credit: Michael Willson/The Slattery Media Group

... and back again? Credit: Paul Kane/via AFL Photos

Simmo is pointing east in the first photo and west in the second. Don't these idiots know anything?!

 

[Keys]

I didn't say play all the kids all the time. I made an observation that from the outside it doesn't look like the club has accepted that the list is as bad as the results suggest and it doesn't look like they are going to do any of the things that are normally associated with full rebuilds. It looks like we will be turning over just the same standard number of players as every year and we won't be looking to trade players out in exchange for picks or purely as a salary dump so we have more cap space in years to come. I don't consider that a rebuild. Maybe other people do. A rebuild means taking pain in the present in order to benefit in the future.

It is one thing to turn up at a presser and use the word rebuild in a sentence. It is another to verbally commit with some specificity to the actions that are part of rebuilding. If they were saying there were going to explore their options to try and get another draft pick or two to use by seeing what they get offered for older players, or move on a significantly larger number of players than normal, or encourage some players still under contract to explore their options and look at other clubs as their opportunities with us will be limited, then i would consider those statements meaningful and conclude they were actually in a rebuilding mentality. If they just turn up in pressers and use the word rebuild in the answer when pushed by journalists to use it but are avoiding committing to the actions that constitute a rebuild then i don't think the mentioning of the word rebuild means anything.

Aside from what they’re doing (and saying) at the moment I don’t think there’s much value in saying much more at this stage of the season

We still have 6 rounds to go so it’s a matter of continuing to get the building blocks of a new game plan in place whilst giving developing/young players on our list some exposure to see what we have to work with. Playing them all at once though would be a mistake as you need to retain some experience to guide the younger players - not that it made seemingly much difference last weekend admittedly.

The right time to do the sort of things you’re talking about is in around 6-7 weeks when the season is over with the main exception being the official announcement of JK’s retirement so he can get a send off game against Adelaide

As HoneyBadger35 has mentioned we have 18 players out of contract at the end of this season. Of those 18 there isn’t one player who I can say uncategorically should be given a new contract so I don’t think there’s a shortage of players to delist

Of the players who are contracted, the market value of the players we’d be happy to lose is low and we can’t trade a player without their agreement. Those conversations are also not best done in a public forum even at the end of the season let alone now

As for delisting players so we can go to the draft, be careful what you wish for. Discussion from draft watchers who know far more than I have highlighted the apparent lack of depth in this year’s draft so maybe this year isn’t the right one to make significant cuts

This year has been a disaster and whilst we probably were on a downward trajectory anyway, the combination of covid and a long injury list derailed the start to our season and we never recovered. That cannot be denied

Simpson, imo, gets a mulligan for this year because his plans were torpedoed before round 1.

The list will change, perhaps not as radically as some may hope, over the off season and Simpson will be under pressure to show definitive improvement in 2023. Not in terms of making finals because that would be unrealistic but we need to be far more competitive and players who’s development has stagnated need to get better

If we get to the bye round with only 1 or 2 wins then it’ll be time for Simpson to go

 

[JackieMoon33]

“They’re not saying it.”
“Yes they are, here, here and here.”
“Well they’re not doing it”.

There’s simply so much post bye evidence of embracing a rebuild, as much as you can honestly expect mid season.

• Rhett Bazzo debut, played every game post bye.

• Debuting Zane Trew off unremarkable WAFL form. Not only picking him but giving him extended run on ball.

• Not talking about picking young players? “Exposing young players has been the priority” - Adam Simpson, yesterday.

“Giving these guys opportunity before the end of the year is our goal” - Adam Simpson, four days ago.

• Throwing players in new positions - Yeo to HBF, Jamaine Jones to HBF, Hough exclusively playing wing, Petch playing extended midfield minutes, Nic out of the goal square in his two games back. Gaff (who yes I also want dropped) has gone from a solid number of centre bounce attendances to being at 10 of our 124 centre bounces since the bye. Zero on the weekend.

• Repeat selection of the Hurn replacement in Rotham, who then just gets bagged for not being good enough. See: Edwards for developing young KPD.

• Visibly different on field game style, especially post bye. If someone can’t see this they’re just either being stubborn or not watching.

• The JK writing on the wall has been as obvious as anything, and they’re getting knocked for what? Not saying hey on August 20th or whatever, Josh Kennedy will play his farewell game. I guarantee they pre advertise it six weeks out and people get on them for being too sentimental and this is what’s wrong with our soft club, worry about the s**t footy not the feel good stories.

“He’s got a few more games in him but not many” - Simmo, last week. What else needs saying?

• There’s no externally known shopping around of the older blokes because which of them have value that we’re not much much better off keeping (eg Jack Darling)? Lobb and Logue having career best years in a side that’s equal top is not analogous to any of our players. Which veterans should we be shopping that aren’t in packet of twisties category right now?

• No mention of a list cull? What do you think “we are going to rebuild our list through the draft” means? Traded in an extra second rounder for this draft, Culley in the MSD.

Agreed there has been no mention of a time frame but that doesn’t bother me as it’s a no win situation in my mind (five years? Why so long. No ambition. Two years? Unrealistic, we’re dreadful). They’ve said Simmo is their guy but also that improvements need to be evident next year. Go from there. If they say it’s a five year rebuild, but you’re already annoyed that they’re only mentioning a rebuild to take the pressure off next year, what good is the time frame?

They’re talking about doing the work and getting skewered for not just doing it, and then when they do it they’re getting skewered for not narrating every move and plan.

I’m not expecting people to be loving every facet of the club right now but can we please not just make absolute s**t up and pretend that there hasn’t been a very visible shift in focus, even to us plebs outside the four walls of the club, particularly since the bye?

Great post. It's yourself and a limited (very limited) number of other posters that have me coming back to this forum to get some balanced views on the club.

It's a tough ask at times reading a lot of the inane comments on this forum, but you just need to remind yourself that you don't know who the person is, on the other end of the keyboard that has the 'West Coast Eagles' as their number one priority in life.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Gotta love the ‘sAcK tHe CoAcH!1’ brigade.

We should do what North are doing. Sack the long term coach now and preemptively sack 2 replacements too.

Just save us all time now.

Also, 30+ year old player isn’t as good as he was a few years ago, we should trade him for a high draft pick or gun youngster….or just sack him, save-a da money!

Not that our recruitment team can be trusted anyway - everyone knows the best tactic is to draft guns with 3rd or 4th round picks and deadset champions in the Rookie Draft but we hardly EVER do that!

Useless.

Sack them too.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Probably started after Simmo fluked a prelim win against the Roos in ‘15

Pretty much.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

i think with the dismissal of noble. simpson would now def be tempted to head home for a five year contract. only problem is wce will need to find a replacement before he could do that

 

[Altum Volantes]

i think with the dismissal of noble. simpson would now def be tempted to head home for a five year contract. only problem is wce will need to find a replacement before he could do that

If he actually wants to go do that then all the best to him, it’s clearly time for a change in that case.

Then we just get a new one…Coxy/Pyke/Hansen etc or EVEN someone who didn’t play for us!

 

[amazingjoshy]

Operation get Simmo: Door open for North to chase ex-skipper

North Melbourne has parted ways with coach David Noble after less than two years in charge, leaving the door open for them to ramp up their pursuit of club great and West Coast boss Adam Simpson.

thewest.com.au

Behind paywall but the noise is starting

They'll clearly make a strong play for him