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Will Simpson be Head Coach at WCE in 2024


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Not choosing Matthew Johnson is already showing to be a massive blunder.
With the demise of our old midfielders we desperately need a new genuine midfielder. Johnson fits the bill.
Local boy with size, skill and aggression, insane decision. Sackable on this alone.
It’s a bit unfair to write Chesser off already considering he hasn’t had much of a run at it as yet but I am encouraged with the additions of Ginbey, Hewett, Bazzo, Hough and Long over the last couple of drafts.

Burgeil to me looks like he has the tools to be a player and Barnett needs some time.

Overall I think we’ve done alright recently.
 
Being allergic to contested pill didn't help him either.
Hasn't stopped Witherden being selected. It's not clear why one player has been persisted with and not others.

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It’s a bit unfair to write Chesser off already considering he hasn’t had much of a run at it as yet but I am encouraged with the additions of Ginbey, Hewett, Bazzo, Hough and Long over the last couple of drafts.

Burgeil to me looks like he has the tools to be a player and Barnett needs some time.

Overall I think we’ve done alright recently.
I haven’t written Chesser off yet but early indications are that there would be only be a slim chance that he reaches Johnson’s level, and he doesn’t seem to be a balanced midfielder.

The last two years seem to have been better. Burgiel’s hamstring issues are a worry.
 

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Might need more than a list of three below average players. You can do that for any club.

Eg Geelong - Lachie Fogarty (pick 22), Cooper Stephens (pick 16), Charlie Constable (pick 36).

What a rabble they are, hey.
Don't forget that Cooper Stephens was selected with the R1 we gave them that year for Tim Kelly.
 
It’s a bit unfair to write Chesser off already considering he hasn’t had much of a run at it as yet but I am encouraged with the additions of Ginbey, Hewett, Bazzo, Hough and Long over the last couple of drafts.

Burgeil to me looks like he has the tools to be a player and Barnett needs some time.

Overall I think we’ve done alright recently.

I've seen Burgeil rated by a couple of people on here, although doesn't look like he's had much exposure at WAFL level. Why the wraps?
 
It's completely unreasonable for Nisbett to keep his job after this season. Yes he's been successful in the past however the most recent years are unprecedented for professional sport at this level. Name me anyone else who's overseen a powerhouse club (financially anyway) to such a poor return over a 2 year period. How can you possibly evaluate his performance and suggest to keep him.

Wafl - 1 win 27 losses - admittedly linked with the afl team
Afl - 3 wins 35 losses
Womens Afl - 3 wins 17 losses

Total - 7 wins 79 losses...
 
Hasn't stopped Witherden being selected. It's not clear why one player has been persisted with and not others.

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Witherden games
2021 - 9
2022 - 13
2022 - 13

Rotham games
2021 - 19
2022 - 13
2023 - 9 played every game post round four before getting injured.

Been given plenty of opportunity.
 
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It's completely unreasonable for Nisbett to keep his job after this season. Yes he's been successful in the past however the most recent years are unprecedented for professional sport at this level. Name me anyone else who's overseen a powerhouse club (financially anyway) to such a poor return over a 2 year period. How can you possibly evaluate his performance and suggest to keep him.

Wafl - 1 win 27 losses - admittedly linked with the afl team
Afl - 3 wins 35 losses
Womens Afl - 3 wins 17 losses

Total - 7 wins 79 losses...
I think we get the point.
 
So I don't know if it was in an article on or footy show but the figure of 7 million dollars to sack Simpson and get a new coach has been floated

Simpson's contract + going over the soft cap and paying the subsequent costs + cost of getting a new coach
 
I've seen Burgeil rated by a couple of people on here, although doesn't look like he's had much exposure at WAFL level. Why the wraps?
He breaks lines, takes the game on and is a lovely kick. He’s stood out for us running off half back and hitting targets in dangerous positions with good vision and weighting his passes setting up some attacking runs.

We’ve been hammered in the WAFL but he has been one of our only shining lights.
 

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He breaks lines, takes the game on and is a lovely kick. He’s stood out for us running off half back and hitting targets in dangerous positions with good vision and weighting his passes setting up some attacking runs.

We’ve been hammered in the WAFL but he has been one of our only shining lights.
If he isnt confined to an iron lung he plays
 
Lots to think about in there you must have spent some time on that.

Probably the only bit I’d personally change is that once the CEO goes then so to does the Coach. I think fresh air is needed but I don’t want Simpson gone before the CEO and used as a scape goat.

The new CEO should look to broker a deal with the AFL which allows us to appoint a new coach and pay as little tax as possible regarding the the soft cap. Hawthorn did it with Clarkson.
Simpson sacking will hurt the soft cap and I am OK with him continuing but with a different CEO. We will not be vying for finals in the next 2 years and we get to accumulate more high end picks.

I would be outlining to Simmo how his decisions and favouritism to his flag heroes has hurt his credibility, club culture and the players he has favoured. I would be insisting on an external review whether he likes it or not. I would then require a presentation to the Board on what he is going to deliver in the next 2 years as senior coach. I would also emphasise timeliness (not 3 seasons to implement a game plan assuming we have it up and running in 2024), his definition of what a high performing list looks like and how he is going to turn around a team that is poor at winning contested football (this is where the game is going and we are missing it).

I would then do a San Francisco 49ers and couple up the List Manager with the Senior Coach and get them to work in tandem a la John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan. We are not in the now window and hence list build and player development are probably higher in my want list than 2024 wins.

The alternative with Simpson is to move him to the back office as GM Membership and Fan Engagement or whatever title seems fit, honour the contract in financial terms and start afresh with a new coach. No soft tax paid. If Simmo does not like this, he is free to walk.
 
Agreed with every you said in principle with some tweaks. And I think this is the reasons for our pain now the foundations seem completely wrong, and Simpson is just symptom of a bigger cancer.

Either align, start a new club in Bunbury (credit to Duffield there), take over Perth or align with a WAFL club
The only thing I would say we really need to establish working relationship with Perth. Same ground, same services (e.g SnC)
 
1. We chose not to take a punt on a second MSD.
2. I see Nisbett categorically ruled out asking for a Priority Pick.

I know the chances may be SFA but surely you’d ask? If only to at least make it look like you’re doing everything.
Same for MSD. The player might’ve been a bust but I’d have thought a team with a percentage under 50% would roll the dice.

We criticise the apparent lack of effort on field. But we seem to also be seeing a lack of effort off field.
 
So I don't know if it was in an article on or footy show but the figure of 7 million dollars to sack Simpson and get a new coach has been floated

Simpson's contract + going over the soft cap and paying the subsequent costs + cost of getting a new coach
I think the rationale is as follows.

Soft cap is 100% of the first 500k over and 200% thereafter. So assuming Simpson is on 1 million a year so is still owed 2 million at the end of this year and that we are already at the edge of the cap, then sacking him would cost the 2 million to Simpson plus 3.5 million in soft cap tax. Making it $5.5 million all up to sack him at the end of the year. In reality he is probably on more than one million a year. So lets say somewhere between $5.5 - 7 million.
 
1. We chose not to take a punt on a second MSD.
2. I see Nisbett categorically ruled out asking for a Priority Pick.

I know the chances may be SFA but surely you’d ask? If only to at least make it look like you’re doing everything.
Same for MSD. The player might’ve been a bust but I’d have thought a team with a percentage under 50% would roll the dice.

We criticise the apparent lack of effort on field. But we seem to also be seeing a lack of effort off field.
Agree. Why wouldn't you ask? Even if the chances of getting it are 1% you would still ask. Other than ego. It hurts the ego of those in charge so much that we have fallen to the point where it is reasonable to ask for a PP that they just can't bear the stigma of asking.
 
I think the rationale is as follows.

Soft cap is 100% of the first 500k over and 200% thereafter. So assuming Simpson is on 1 million a year so is still owed 2 million at the end of this year and that we are already at the edge of the cap, then sacking him would cost the 2 million to Simpson plus 3.5 million in soft cap tax. Making it $5.5 million all up to sack him at the end of the year. In reality he is probably on more than one million a year. So lets say somewhere between $5.5 - 7 million.
He is not on $1M. When they cut the softcap in 2020 it was widely reported that the top echelon of coaches (ie premiership coaches) were on $1M, but they had to agree to paycuts or lose too many assistant coaches. The figure spoken about was $800k. Simmo took his cut but got some extra years on the end to round it out (like we often do with players).
 
Great take on 2018 - 2023 in The Aus:

Collingwood had a fall guy and then a fall.
'Two years ago, list manager Ned Guy resigned after a salary cap crisis was short-circuited by a fire sale of players.

Adam Treloar, Jaidyn Stephenson, Tom Phillips and Atu Bosenavulagi were shown the door in a bombshell 2020 trade period, while the club also farewelled retirees Dayne Beams, Ben Reid, Travis Varcoe, Tom Langdon, Levi Greenwood and Chris Mayne in 2020-21.

The Magpies made hard calls in 2020 and crashed to 17th in 2021. They bounced to third in 2022 and are ladder-leaders in 2023.'

West Coast – who pipped the Pies for the 2018 premiership – went all-in on both fronts. The Eagles backed in their players and backed in the large recruiting team who had picked them.

Now, they look light years away from the premiership race.'

Step right up those fans here who acclaimed the 2018 side the greatest Eagles side EVER.

'The Magpies’ fire sale was preceded by their one-point elimination final win against West Coast in 2020. Perhaps the Eagles lost that clash and still felt they were good enough.

Another Pies-Eagles clash — alongside the 2018 and 2020 finals — also marked a milestone in their contrasting trajectories.'

The admin/recruiting issues get a similar going over in the article.
 
I think the rationale is as follows.

Soft cap is 100% of the first 500k over and 200% thereafter. So assuming Simpson is on 1 million a year so is still owed 2 million at the end of this year and that we are already at the edge of the cap, then sacking him would cost the 2 million to Simpson plus 3.5 million in soft cap tax. Making it $5.5 million all up to sack him at the end of the year. In reality he is probably on more than one million a year. So lets say somewhere between $5.5 - 7 million.
Leave him on the payroll if cheaper to do so, just don't let him have any interaction with the players. Surely we have an assistant or so who would be ok with a moderate pay increase to care take the senior role while Adam works in the marketing department.
 
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