News Adelaide Crows Camp Allegations and Rumors

[beartoo]

Hand back the licence?

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[Shuestar13]

Outside of BigFooty and a few trolls on social media, I think people in here overestimate the care factor levels of most other footy people. Finals start in a couple of weeks, even the media will lose interest in a 4 year old story then. Heck, win the Showdown in round 23 and then land Rankine and most Crows supporters will be very optimistic heading into 2023.

You should feel optimistic heading into 2023 Hopefully Rankine, he would be a huge addition, some genuine skill and class. He and Rachele together up forward

 

[Proper Gander]

I don't believe there will be a (successful) class action suit because there is no basis. No law had been broken so you only sue for civil punitive damages. And to sue, civilly, for punitive damages you have to prove that the AFC or CM knew the outcome in advance and/or acted with predetermined malice or negligence. Virtually impossible to prove and no matter what your opinion of the camp I think we can all agree no-one wanted this outcome.

I’m guessing here that you’re not really a student of law?

 

[Crow54]

I’m guessing here that you’re not really a student of law?

Are you? Will you share how you think it would go?

 

[Slippery Pete]

[Kramer fixing Elaine's sore neck]

Kramer: A wise man once taught me the healing power of the body's natural pressure points.

Elaine: Ah hah.

Kramer: He sells t-shirts outside the World Trade Centre.

What's even more amazing is his formal training is in paediatrics!

 

[Slippery Pete]

Why are you being purposefully clueless?

It’s not an act for him

 

[maxlilly]

I'm looking forward to Pyke being suspended now for 6 months while at Sydney, Dean Bailey style

 

[Big Crow]

I am embarrassed to give my money to this club at the moment. 14 years of membership, and I don't feel like giving them another cent until this camp stuff gets adequately addressed and resolved.

Jenkins was painted as the bad guy. The disruptive child in the classroom who needed to be put out on the corridor for the benefit of the rest of the class. But reading his article makes me feel ashamed I believe anything from the club anymore. Seems more like he was just one of the few who had balls to stand up and say no, I feel this is unsafe and wrong.

Tell them why you’re cancelling.

 

[Proper Gander]

Are you? Will you share how you think it would go?

Yes and happily.

If a person, or a group, choose to sue they don’t have to demonstrate that a law has been broken beyond reasonable doubt. That is what the state is there to prosecute. They have to show that on the balance of probabilities that a contract has been breached (contract law) or that a wrong has occurred that has caused the person or group making the claim harm.

My guess and it is a guess is that this will be settled in the claimants favour and won’t be heard in a court. The AFL have spent a lot of time and money avoiding exposure before, and I doubt anything has changed.

I hope this shit isn’t wearing down your current group of players and coach that you have built since because they look like they are hading on the up and up, and none of this was their fault

 

[Slippery Pete]

Bit of discussion on the last few pages about Pyke’s apology.

Let’s get this straight people.

Pyke was subject to a review which was going to line him up like Mark Yeates in the 89GF. He saw the writing on the wall and stepped down. That same review then sent Burton to walk the plank.

Those two blokes got their just desserts for what happened. They (rightly) paid the price with their jobs.

So my question is: why is everyone here rabid about an apology from the blokes who paid the biggest price, and not from the UNELECTED FACELESS PARASITES WHO ARE STILL ON THE CLUB BOARD FROM 2018?

F*ck me. Wake up.

 

[Tex is king]

Outside of BigFooty and a few trolls on social media, I think people in here overestimate the care factor levels of most other footy people. Finals start in a couple of weeks, even the media will lose interest in a 4 year old story then. Heck, win the Showdown in round 23 and then land Rankine and most Crows supporters will be very optimistic heading into 2023.

Not this time

 

[Proper Gander]

Are you? Will you share how you think it would go?

Me again. Also apologise for sounding like a massive dick just now. I shouldn’t be lurking anyway, and definitely not launching in with some crap. I’ll leave you to it.

 

[Brenton Davy]

Been done before.

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Doesn’t mean it’s not pretentious

 

[MarcusP2]

Yes and happily.

If a person, or a group, choose to sue they don’t have to demonstrate that a law has been broken beyond reasonable doubt. That is what the state is there to prosecute. They have to show that on the balance of probabilities that a contract has been breached (contract law) or that a wrong has occurred that has caused the person or group making the claim harm.

My guess and it is a guess is that this will be settled in the claimants favour and won’t be heard in a court. The AFL have spent a lot of time and money avoiding exposure before, and I doubt anything has changed.

I hope this s**t isn’t wearing down your current group of players and coach that you have built since because they look like they are hading on the up and up, and none of this was their fault

What tort? And what injuries? Been 20 years since I studied tort but IIRC No such thing as invasion of privacy so we are down to negligence.

SA's statute of limitations for personal injuries is 3 years (mental or physical).

I'd be interested to see what their case is. maybe workplace has different rules?

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[ftmch]

Me again. Also apologise for sounding like a massive dick just now. I shouldn’t be lurking anyway, and definitely not launching in with some crap. I’ll leave you to it.

Not at all. Appreciated your insight and perspective

 

[ftmch]

I'm still unclear what any player outside of the leaderhip group would be suing for? There's been no suggestion of 'trauma' etc.. for the regular playing group has there?

 

[MarcusP2]

I'm still unclear what any player outside of the leaderhip group would be suing for? There's been no suggestion of 'trauma' etc.. for the regular playing group has there?

If only someone in the football media knew about stuff outside football.

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[CrowsB4hoes]

I'm still unclear what any player outside of the leaderhip group would be suing for? There's been no suggestion of 'trauma' etc.. for the regular playing group has there?

Yeah it sounds like it was only the leadership group that had the issues. Jenkins said on radio he wasn’t part of the class action group. I don’t buy it at all.

 

[Sanders]

Mate - it might have been a shithouse one, but it was a sporting club on a preseason camp.

It was horrible, but equating it to razorwired prison camps minimises what refugees and others go through while being locked up.

Look, fair enough as satire, I guess. It just makes me feel like we're again increasing the importance of the experience of sportsmen, like we do around ANZAC Day, etc. Fair enough if others disagree.

Agree. It was a sporting camp where people were called names and gossiped about.

It sounds a bit shitty, but FFS it’s being made into something else.

This is a group where their leader and mentor was murdered, and now they have no resilience??

It’s both possible for this to have been a bad idea, badly done, and not some overblown dystopian hunger games

 

[Sanders]

Yes and happily.

If a person, or a group, choose to sue they don’t have to demonstrate that a law has been broken beyond reasonable doubt. That is what the state is there to prosecute. They have to show that on the balance of probabilities that a contract has been breached (contract law) or that a wrong has occurred that has caused the person or group making the claim harm.

My guess and it is a guess is that this will be settled in the claimants favour and won’t be heard in a court. The AFL have spent a lot of time and money avoiding exposure before, and I doubt anything has changed.

I hope this s**t isn’t wearing down your current group of players and coach that you have built since because they look like they are hading on the up and up, and none of this was their fault

WTF

 

[ftmch]

Just had a 5 minute segment on the camp etc.. on the Best on Ground show on Fox (after the Port game). Probably the most balanced and objective commentary I've heard from the media (which is ironic given this it's meant to be a light, entertainments based show).

Nothing like the hysteric, partisan bullshit that Caro and others have been spewing in relation to this. Was refreshing to hear.

 

[Brenton Davy]

Just had a 5 minute segment on the camp etc.. on the Best on Ground show on Fox (after the Port game). Probably the most balanced and objective commentary I've heard from the media (which is ironic given this it's meant to be a light, entertainments based show).

Nothing like the hysteric, partisan bullshit that Caro and others have been spewing in relation to this. Was refreshing to hear.

Will have to check it out. I deliberately changed channels when it came on cos I couldn’t sit through another hammering

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Hanlon's Burton's Razor

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity

 

[adelaide_girl]

Look I am from that era and whilst I definitely dont condone what has happened in the camp I would like to ask you why do we older people need to be educated just to suit the younger generation. Why cant the younger generation be educated to fall into line with the older generations expectations. You talk about the role that mental health issues plays on todays society. I assume that you know that the older population also experienced anxiety and mental health issues but we had nowhere to go to get treatment. The level of empathy back then was non existent. So we had to work through it. There was no option. Is there any wonder why the older generation often say "toughen up"

I read one comment on here that said even the ADF no longer practice this abusive behavior but during my time you either had to tolerate it or run the risk of being dishonorably discharged, which in-turn creates a different level of anxiety.

Life is different today than what it was in yesteryear so before you start pointing the finger at the older generation and their less empathic attitude perhaps you should try to understand what they went through, how they were raised, what created their character. You expect my generation to understand your generation and thats fine but I have the same expectation of your generation.

Now back to the subject at hand. We both share a level of disbelief and exasperation about this bloody camp

Thank you for the thoughtful response, and beleive me I am facing 50 very fast so not young.

I am sorry for each of your generation and what you were subjected to over prolonged periods as we didn’t know better, but I don’t see why that has to remain.

If we didn’t evolve slaves would still be used in the US, and our First Nations population and women wouldn’t have the vote.

Just cause it was our history- does it have to be the future?


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[BACCS]

If only someone in the football media knew about stuff outside football.

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Tom Browne is a lawyer