Review Adelaide v Essendon - Rd 18

[maxlilly]

I was silly enough to fly over for the game and gee, it was bloody freezing.
Even in the warm up, you could tell the players weren't switched on.
Couldn't hit a 30m pass or kick a goal going at half rat power in the warm up, it wasn't any surprise we played the way we did. No wonder that game plan didn't hold up.
And the worst part is Essendon are an average team.
Butts has been the real find for the year for mine

 

[BACCS]

Where were these comments after the Collingwood vs Geelong or Richmond vs Saints games?

 

[BACCS]

Where were these comments after the Collingwood vs Geelong or Richmond vs Saints games?

 

[BACCS]

I was silly enough to fly over for the game and gee, it was bloody freezing.
Even in the warm up, you could tell the players weren't switched on.
Couldn't hit a 30m pass or kick a goal going at half rat power in the warm up, it wasn't any surprise we played the way we did. No wonder that game plan didn't hold up.
And the worst part is Essendon are an average team.
Butts has been the real find for the year for mine

Essendon are a couple of years ahead of us and have been competitive most of the year

 

[Kickin Goals]

I can accept losing, but WTF was that garbage game plan in the first half supposed to achieve?

Pathetic coaching this game.

I’m pretty sure it was to stop us from losing by 20-30 goals.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

I think Adelaide had about 30% more inexperience then Essendon last night. A midget forward line, an obvious desire to try new things such as holding possession, Frampton back. The loss wasnt even in the top 10 largest margins this season. We are missing half our experienced players, Berg a late out really screwed the structure. Brown out didnt help, then Doedee injury was even worse.

Dont get me wrong, it was bad. But the sky is falling style reaction some have on here is really over the top.

 

[John Who]

1st quarter - not good
2nd quarter - very bad
3rd quarter - ugly
4th quarter - uglier

That’s my GBU summary.

 

[pjcrows]

So which contract extension is left to announce this week?

 

[Great8]

Sounds like he is ok and very lucky that Walla didn’t raise a knee in the contest like so many would.
A brave act regardless

 

[John Who]

I think Adelaide had about 30% more inexperience then Essendon last night. A midget forward line, an obvious desire to try new things such as holding possession, Frampton back. The loss wasnt even in the top 10 largest margins this season. We are missing half our experienced players, Berg a late out really screwed the structure. Brown out didnt help, then Doedee injury was even worse.

Dont get me wrong, it was bad. But the sky is falling style reaction some have on here is really over the top.

The only positive out of this is that this highlights how important experience or leadership is to a team of young’uns. With no Talia, Brown and the early loss of Doedee in defence, our backs lack a level of calm and there was so much more panic in general play.

Then in attack, no Lynch or Tex, we look pretty exposed with the Dons’ defenders intercepting/marking pretty much everything. Again without the level of calm, the forward all kicked like they’re in amateur Auskick hour.

 

[Cap]

I thought Murray was good last night.

Seems a player, just doesn't have a position that screams out as his.

 

[pjcrows]

I thought Murray was good last night.

Seems a player, just doesn't have a position that screams out as his.

The backline?

 

[maxlilly]

I think Adelaide had about 30% more inexperience then Essendon last night. A midget forward line, an obvious desire to try new things such as holding possession, Frampton back. The loss wasnt even in the top 10 largest margins this season. We are missing half our experienced players, Berg a late out really screwed the structure. Brown out didnt help, then Doedee injury was even worse.

Dont get me wrong, it was bad. But the sky is falling style reaction some have on here is really over the top.

That's what really stood out to me last night was how short our team is all over the ground.
We desperately need some more height in the team.
Especially going forward, we are just under sized to take a mark

 

[GreyCrow]

Schoenberg was good everything else was catastrophic.

This also shows how important Tex still is to our side. Or alternatively how important it is to accurate goal kickers in the side

Wrong.

The amount of inside 50s is on the midfield. Frampton did everything right but kick goals.

Thilthorpe apparently was poor.

Tex is one player and having a 'we need tex' mentality is how we got rubbish list management

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

That's what really stood out to me last night was how short our team is all over the ground.
We desperately need some more height in the team.
Especially going forward, we are just under sized to take a mark

We're certainly getting beaten up around the ball and in marking contests

 

[maxlilly]

We're certainly getting beaten up around the ball and in marking contests

So pretty well all facets of the game

 

[Murray2503]

The only positive out of this is that this highlights how important experience or leadership is to a team of young’uns. With no Talia, Brown and the early loss of Doedee in defence, our backs lack a level of calm and there was so much more panic in general play.

Then in attack, no Lynch or Tex, we look pretty exposed with the Dons’ defenders intercepting/marking pretty much everything. Again without the level of calm, the forward all kicked like they’re in amateur Auskick hour.

Brown and Lynch would have made no real difference. Brown has been poor most of the year and Lynch is cooked. The one player we missed majorly was Walker. Where Nick's stuffed up was that he should have played TT, Fog and Himmelberg as our talls meaning TT and Fog would have been our targets. Keeping Frampton in was pure incompetence. He should have also rewarded Cook imo. The way we are going up forward anyone other than Frampton that scores more than 2goals in the SANFL should be coming in.

Time for Nick's to see what our squad has to offer by playing those who are performing in the SANF. The improvement will only come from the youth and good trading and drafting.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

Ok, I’m going to be controversial here, but i would prefer Doedee not run back with the flight like that. hes proven he’s brave already. That to me now is a bit silly and not an unsurprising outcome to lose him for the rest of the game. Am I alone?

Nope. Not alone. Dumb football. Utterly pointless effort which sees our best back out for a week.

Opportunity to really look at the list in next 6 weeks.

Horne will help but we need more.

I'd also consider trying McAsey forward (surely not any worse than Frampton/Himm?) for one last chance before marking his cards.

Desperately need a proper pressure small forward or two.

More class in midfield is an absolute desperate need.

A decent, small pressure forward would be handy, but so would a small forward that actually knows how to find the goals.

 

[ABAB]

That's how every club in the league thinks except us. Are you starting to get the picture now. Your sounding pretty naive by the way that a professional sporting organisation doesn't exist to be successful and win championships by doing anything and everything in its power to make it happen. You sound like a supporter that would rather the club not be successful if the hard decisions that are required to be successful may hurt players feelings.

Of course successful teams reward players at their peak and not when they are declining and injured as we did with Sloane. So you obviously think players have a right to a retirement plan well past their use by date due to the fact they didn't leave us. What a weak attitude if that's the case. No wonder the club is sitting where it is knowing they can rely on your unconditional support for their incompetence.

What? The only club who has moved experience players who were one club players and on the decline were the Hawks and they didn't get any trade value from them. We re-sign Sloane when he was entering his prime as an elite player after 2016 and 2017 at his peak and become a FA so we had to offer him a long term contract as that's what FA has done to the industry and then CM and injuries happened so as you have stated we did "reward players at their peak" as all club do.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yep, finally Framption gets trialled as a KPD .....turns out, he's way more confident straightlining the ball & can read the play way better as a DEF than a FWD

Was fumbling every mark as a FWD .....his hands were far more assured once switched to a DEF role

Looking at Frampton play .....he clearly lacks FWD instincts

Could he be converted to a KPD ? ......good speed, height, and IMO prefers the ball in front of him to run at the ball

Frampton has definitely improved this season .....using his body, and stronger in the body ....he just has limited tricks, he's simply a mark and kick player

I'm in the camp that says Frampton could make a good KPD

Agree .....most inexperienced FWD line ever .....with 3 x KPF's who are simply not ready to carry a big load in a match, but ideally 3rd talls ATM

But it is, what it is ......not having Tex has really shown up our Talls situation ......expect Murray to spend time up FWD

Still would like to see Frampton trialled as a KPD .....could go alright straight lining the ball

 

[Mr_Moogle]

If some of those efforts are 100% how the hell did he make it to AFL level?
some of the marking contests last week were as soft as I’ve seen from a player of his size and I’ve seen a lot of Josh Jenkins.

He's trying his best. He's just not very talented. How he's lasted so long in the AFL system is beyond me.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You do overrate Nicks.

....and our garbage recruiters.

I support Mutineer on his views on Nicks

Last night we lost our most experienced KPF ....and then lose another B4 the game

You've heard of a good FWD straightening a side up .....these titbits of info get lost in the pitchfork analysis after a loss
Fact is we had no-one to go long to, that the team had confidence in .....Nicks also summized that, and played a gamestyle that's foreign to his philosophy

That's why, when camera's panned to the coaching box .....Nicks looked relaxed and resigned to the situation

Frampton's efforts FWD were dismall, and all but signed his papers as a FWD ......no chasing, no pressure, no 2nd efforts

 

[ABAB]

I was silly enough to fly over for the game and gee, it was bloody freezing.
Even in the warm up, you could tell the players weren't switched on.
Couldn't hit a 30m pass or kick a goal going at half rat power in the warm up, it wasn't any surprise we played the way we did. No wonder that game plan didn't hold up.
And the worst part is Essendon are an average team.
Butts has been the real find for the year for mine

Understandable why we tried to play this game plan given Himmelberg was a late out and replaced with Hamill so we were one tall forward down but stupidly we continue to play this in the 2nd quarter when clearly it wasn't working in the 1st quarter and ended up cooking the players after half time. Essendon are just a game outside the 8 so I wouldn't consider them an average team.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Murray showed tonight at least why we gave him the extension

Guy can play. Has some real nice athletic traits for a key back, better rebounder than Butts too. They compliment each other well

Yeah, add another PS to Murray's game, and he'll be an even better player next year

The Doedee action was simly stupid .....no chance of impacting the contest, and only one outcome possible .....be knocked out and of no use to your team as a leader

Jonathan Brown did the same move in his last season of AFL .....and he was roundly condemned by all and sundrie in the media .....Doedee should too, so he never does that again

 

[CrowBloke]

1) His biggest issue is playing in front of the least skilled midfield in the competition
2) And under a coaching staff that values what Frampton, D Mac and the gang bring to the table

There's some truth there, but the gist of it is to exonerate Fogarty and blame the rest.
1) you're right; the delivery from the mids and Smith/Seeds has been poor. Inconsistent. Haphazard.
However, Tex and Thilthorpe have been fed by the same supply and both put in more effort (and second efforts) than Fogarty, and have higher output than him. ALL of them would have more goals if supply was better.
2) you're right again --- the coaches select and re-select Frampton in the face of his proven ineptitude at AFL level. Their love-affair (and Coaches before them as well) with Mackay is a mystery too. Several team selections have left most of us bewildered.

However, blaming the supply and the Coaches is making excuses for his laziness and inexplicable non-improvement. Players with less natural ability/size have gone past him in terms of improvement. Fogarty is as lazy as he was 3 years ago --- I see very little difference between Fogarty2019 and Fogarty2021, which is why he's in the SANFL --- and it's up to him to get better.