Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

[The Warlord]

Mozzie to debut.

Dodo reads the thread!

 

[unplugged]

Was Mozzie the one where Dodoro tried to force Hawthorn's hand, and Wright just let him go? Dodoro looked more shocked than excited.

 

[Milanista28]

Was Mozzie the one where Dodoro tried to force Hawthorn's hand, and Wright just let him go? Dodoro looked more shocked than excited.

We wanted him and we knew they wouldn't match, we had media videos and graphics prepared.

 

[Ambrosia]

We wanted him and we knew they wouldn't match, we had media videos and graphics prepared.

Why would Essendon care about forcing Hawthorn’s hand at pick 46. I can’t believe people are have created this narrative in their head. Especially when Essendon has historically not bid when people thought we should have (Hopper).

 

[JT_the_Man]

For the life of me I can’t think of a single player they’ve drafted in the past 20 years that I’d consider a special talent. We had Fyfe, West Coast — Judd, Adelaide — Dangerfield, Collingwood —Pendlebury and Swan, Bulldogs — Bontempelli, Richmond — Martin, Geelong — long list, Hawthorn — ditto. They’ve had draft picks as good or better than these teams over the journey, and yet found completely wanting in terms of exciting, game-breaking talent. The closest to that category that they’ve recruited since 2000 is AMT and he came to them through almost pure luck

Watson.

 

[Richo83]

He played all over as a junior.

Yeah but generally players who make it in the AFL as midfielders have played a fair bit of midfield as juniors. It's a position which takes a fair bit of training and experience to get around, being a 360 degree position which is complex.

Like Vlastuin played all over as well. Was the Vic metro captain I believe and was a bit of a utility in junior years a la Francis. But has only really made it as a backman.

Problem for mine is, even when playing his best football as a defender, he always conceded goals. He was an offensive weapon that generated far more than he gave up. He’s now playing against taller people and that aerial intercept ability hasn’t translated, meaning he’ll likely never generate the offence required to be a star down back.

If he's bad defensively, how is putting him in the midfield help? IMO he seems not physical enough to be accountable and isn't aware enough. Two issues which won't go away playing midfield.

He wouldn’t have the tank straight away but either did Greenwood. For mine develop him in there anyway. He won’t be holding anyone else out that has a big upside. Take the risk or he’ll never amount to anything anyway and well be crossing our fingers hoping for a big bodied mid perpetually.

Oh a lot of players can build a tank, that just requires a lot of endurance training. It's the grasp of the position that I doubt Francis will ever have. Again, Vlastuin's problem wasn't that he wasn't athletic enough, he's actually a good runner, it's just that he didn't have the instincts to play the position. I doubt Francis has them too. I just don't think you play players who don't know what they're doing in the most important part of the ground. And given the contested 360 nature of the midfield, it's a difficult position to do well in.

I also wonder, if he is played in the guts who goes out.

 

[Bungeye]

The problem with the bombers the last 15 years is the inconsistency of their best players. Zaharakis had the pontential to be a great and Jobe Watson was a very late bloomer.

 

[hoddo22]

Watson.

Only he and Daniher could be considered A grade throughout Dudoro's reign and only just.

They were both father son picks so it's hardly astute drafting.

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[Ambrosia]

Only he and Daniher could be considered A grade throughout Dudoro's reign and only just.

They were both father son picks so it's hardly astute drafting.

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Where are you drawing the line at A-grade? Hurley and Hooker have clearly been A-grade for mine for 3-5 years of their season. Merrett and Shiel have both been AA which puts them minimum top 10 in their position for a year.

Agree that Essendon haven’t been had many top 10 player in the comp level talents over the years but those sort of players take a lot of luck imo and aren’t a great measure of a list manager imo.

Not that Dodoro has been good in the areas where list managers should be judged imo.

 

[Milanista28]

The closest to that category that they’ve recruited since 2000 is AMT and he came to them through almost pure luck

Explain the luck here? We had been watching him for years and asked him to get his fitness to standard and if he did we'd select him, he did and we selected him. Where is the luck?

 

[station to station]

Watson.

I discount father-sons because they practically land in your lap. Eg I don't think Geelong recruiting Ablett is particularly astute, but getting Selwood, Johnson & Bartel was (among a list of other gun recruits).

 

[HBF]

We wouldn't even get a 4th rounder for Hurley. All he does is stand in the back pocket to take the cheap kick from a kick out, then bomb it blindly down the line, and then lose every single one on one contest that he's in. #spud

I'd try him forward. And leave him there.

 

[station to station]

Where are you drawing the line at A-grade? Hurley and Hooker have clearly been A-grade for mine for 3-5 years of their season. Merrett and Shiel have both been AA which puts them minimum top 10 in their position for a year.

Agree that Essendon haven’t been had many top 10 player in the comp level talents over the years but those sort of players take a lot of luck imo and aren’t a great measure of a list manager imo.

Not that Dodoro has been good in the areas where list managers should be judged imo.

There's an element of luck, but over 20 years you should be able to luck into one gamebreaking player. The Essendon team that had Hird & Lloyd winning a premiership in the same team 20 years ago hasn't found a player of that calibre in all the years since.

 

[JT_the_Man]

Where are you drawing the line at A-grade? Hurley and Hooker have clearly been A-grade for mine for 3-5 years of their season. Merrett and Shiel have both been AA which puts them minimum top 10 in their position for a year.

Agree that Essendon haven’t been had many top 10 player in the comp level talents over the years but those sort of players take a lot of luck imo and aren’t a great measure of a list manager imo.

Not that Dodoro has been good in the areas where list managers should be judged imo.

I was about to say the same thing, we have a few more players than just Watson/Daniher who I’d have considered to be A-graders at certain stages of their career. Depending on the definition of A-grade.

 

[HBF]

Nup, no one realised it was as bad as what it is.
Carlton rolled out the red carpet for him. That's how good they thought he was. Can guarantee they wouldn't do that now.
We wouldn't give up two first round picks for him if we had our time again

Essendon offered more than what Carlton were prepared to, and we certainly weren't willing to use two first round draft picks.

 

[HBF]

The problem with the bombers the last 15 years is the inconsistency of their best players. Zaharakis had the pontential to be a great and Jobe Watson was a very late bloomer.

I'd throw Hurley in there as well. He killed it as a forward as a junior and I would have really liked to see how we went as a forward at AFL level.

 

[Ambrosia]

Essendon offered more than what Carlton were prepared to, and we certainly weren't willing to use two first round draft picks.

How can you know that? There was talk that Carlton would have to part with pick 1. We do know Carlton were willing to offer significantly more money.

GWS had all the power at the trade table with being Shiel was contracted. 2 firsts and a second coming back is about par for similar level deals imo.

 

[Ambrosia]

I'd throw Hurley in there as well. He killed it as a forward as a junior and I would have really liked to see how we went as a forward at AFL level.

After breaking his wrists he couldn’t mark the ball anymore. Was never gonna make it as a forward after that.

 

[Brutalitops]

I discount father-sons because they practically land in your lap. Eg I don't think Geelong recruiting Ablett is particularly astute, but getting Selwood, Johnson & Bartel was (among a list of other gun recruits).

Dodoro shouldnt get any credit for drafting Watson as an A grade mid as Watson wasnt drafted as a mid. He was drafted as a key forward but failed at that as he couldnt kick over a jam tin. He was also overweight for a midfielder when he moved into the midfield.

Pure chance he was able to reinvent himself much in a similar vein to GAJ who was also a poor forward when he was drafted.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

I'm hoping Mosquito becomes a good player but Jack Bytel was a need who went 3 picks later

 

[faible]

The problem with the bombers the last 15 years is the inconsistency of their best players. Zaharakis had the pontential to be a great and Jobe Watson was a very late bloomer.

Zaharakis simply wasn't that good, he did some nice things as a young guy, and everyone assumed he had this potential to be more, but reality shows that he's only ever been what he has been, a B grade outside midfielder. Nothing wrong with being that, but for some reason that running goal on ANZAC Day lead people to believe he was capable of being a genuine A grader.

I'd throw Hurley in there as well. He killed it as a forward as a junior and I would have really liked to see how we went as a forward at AFL level.

You mean the Hurley who played forward for a few seasons and never really made it work? Or the Hurley with stuffed wrists who can't take a mark overhead or on a lead anymore?

 

[hoddo22]

Yeah Hurley started forward. Played some good games but I seem to remember he had a really bad habit of running under the footy.

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[rumply]

I'd throw Hurley in there as well. He killed it as a forward as a junior and I would have really liked to see how we went as a forward at AFL level.

His shoulders wouldn't have held up as a permanent forward, that was the fear as far as I recall, but yeah he had the talent for such a role, no doubt.

 

[Jesse Custer]

His shoulders wouldn't have held up as a permanent forward, that was the fear as far as I recall, but yeah he had the talent for such a role, no doubt.

Thought it was his bung wrists.

 

[rumply]

Thought it was his bung wrists.

rings a bell