AFL 2018 1st EF: Melbourne v Geelong: MCG, Friday September 7, 7.50pm AEST

Who will win the 1st EF

  • Melbourne by under 20pts

    Votes: 37 19.2%
  • Melbourne 20 - 40pts

    Votes: 78 40.4%
  • Melbourne >40 pts

    Votes: 28 14.5%
  • Geelong by under 20pts

    Votes: 23 11.9%
  • Geelong 20 - 40pts

    Votes: 17 8.8%
  • Geelong >40 pts

    Votes: 10 5.2%

  • Total voters
    193
  • Poll closed .

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Team Notes

Melbourne, back in the finals for the first time since 2006, look to garner some long and overdue finals success while the Cats are desperate to strike with Ablett on board.

Can Geelong push for a premiership in 2018?

Their top end talent is unquestionable but their bottom six have been an issue. The return of Gary Ablett, while not the Ablett of old, was to strengthen their blue-chip talent, meaning there would be greater overall depth. That appears to be the case but September quickly exposes any weaknesses. The Cats have a 5-6 record against fellow finalists this year but those defeats were by 18 points or less, meaning they remain firm challengers. They did lose to the W Bulldogs, Adelaide, Richmond and Hawthorn in the final nine rounds, their inconsistency an issue. However, coach Chris Scott suggested after the loss to the Tigers that the Cats had something up their sleeve.

Viney and the Demons?

The tough-as-teak midfielder has managed only seven senior games this season because of a foot stress injury, the last coming in round 16. In a frustrating year, he barely completed the pre-season and then missed the opening eight rounds. It could be construed as a risk to play him considering his time on the sidelines but he has the attitude and game likely to flourish on the September stage.

His ability to win contested ball and clearances is what the Demons have prided themselves on, with he and Oliver central to this. The Demons are ranked No.1 for contested possession differentials (+17.7) but the Cats are ranked fourth, meaning Viney's return would be a major help. He could go head-to-head with Selwood, providing another intriguing sub-plot.

SUMMARY

The MCG will be buzzing for Melbourne's first final in 12 years, with the Demons going into September in strong form after consecutive wins over fellow finals combatants West Coast (17 points) and Greater Western Sydney (45 points). Geelong has had a more cushy run into finals with back-to-back hammerings of Fremantle (133 points) and Gold Coast (102 points), giving the Cats important momentum going into their third consecutive finals campaign. If their home and away season battles are any guide, you can expect another close tussle between the two oldest sides in the competition in a do-or-die elimination final on Friday night.

WHERE AND WHEN: MCG, Friday September 7, 7.50pm AEST

WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR?

Round one: Geelong 14.13 (97) d Melbourne 13.16 (94)

A Patrick Dangerfield-less Cats side led by 27 points at half-time, only to see Melbourne come charging back into the contest with a four goals to one third term. Demons ruckman Max Gawn had the chance to claim victory with a shot in the dying stages of the game but his kick missed to the left.

Round 18: Geelong 16.4 (100) d Melbourne 14.14 (98)

Geelong cut into a 23-point three-quarter time deficit with an inspired final term from forward Tom Hawkins, who kicked four of his seven goals in the last quarter. Melbourne was denied victory by Zach Tuohy, who kicked a clutch set-shot after the siren to deliver the Cats a pulsating win.

LAST FIVE TIMES

R18, 2018, Geelong 16.4 (100) d Melbourne 14.14 (98) at GMHBA Stadium
R1, 2018, Geelong 14.13 (97) d Melbourne 13.16 (94) at the MCG
R3, 2017, Geelong 20.6 (126) d Melbourne 13.19 (97) at Etihad Stadium
R23, 2016, Geelong 24.11 (155) d Melbourne 6.8 (44) at GMHBA Stadium
R12, 2015, Melbourne 18.5 (113) d Geelong Cats 13.11 (89) at GMHBA Stadium

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

Melbourne

1. James Harmes went to Joel Selwood as a tagger when the teams met in round 18, while he played on Dangerfield in the final quarter. Likely to resume hostilities with Selwood.

2. With Jesse Hogan sidelined, Christian Petracca is Melbourne's X-factor up forward. Can float into the midfield, but has the potential to turn a game deep in attack. Keep him there.

3. The Demons have been stationing first-year player and strong intercept marking player Bayley Fritsch behind the ball in the second half of the season to help bolster their defence. Look for that trend to continue.

Geelong

1. It would be radical, but the Cats have to do something out of the box to stop Max Gawn. Mark Blicavs has the ability to cover the ground as well as the Demons ruckman and the size to go with him in the air. Should the Cats pull Blicavs out of defence and get him to match up on Gawn at stages in the game to curtail his influence?

2. Scott Selwood to play as Geelong's 'pressure forward'. Has moved there in the last two weeks and brings an intent and competitiveness Geelong had been lacking inside forward 50.

3. The Cats like to set up with a spare behind the ball with Lachie Henderson or Harry Taylor generally employed in that role. Look for Geelong to engineer this in anyway possible.

THE SIX POINTS

1. Melbourne finished the home and away season ranked first for scoring, inside 50s, marks inside 50, contested possessions and centre clearances. Geelong was fourth for scoring, sixth for inside 50s and equal third for marks inside 50.

2. The Demons and Cats will play in a final for the first time since a 2005 elimination final when Geelong was the comfortable winner. The teams have played seven times in finals with the Cats winning five.

3. The Demons will be looking for their first finals victory since a 2006 elimination final win over St Kilda at the MCG. Geelong has lost seven of its last 10 finals since 2013.

4. Melbourne is the lowest-ranked of the top eight teams for finals experience, with a combined total of just 44 games, thanks mainly to Jordan Lewis (23 at Hawthorn). By contrast, Geelong is ranked third with a combined 209 finals among its players.

5. Melbourne has been a team that wins lots of the footy, ranked second in the AFL for disposals (an average of 391 per game). Geelong is not too far behind, ranked sixth (averaging 382.8).

6. Geelong's Sam Menegola was the second-highest scoring player in the Schick AFL Player Ratings between rounds 20 and 23, averaging 21.7 points.

WHAT THE COACHES SAY

Simon Goodwin (Melbourne): "We're basically playing our brand in the biggest game we can possibly play in against Geelong. We go in knowing exactly what we're up against, we know exactly what style and brand we want to play so that holds no fears at all."

Chris Scott (Geelong): "There would be occasions where teams are in those kinds of situations and they turn up their toes. It does set you up for something special if you have that in a group because it's very hard to manufacture if it's not there organically." – after Geelong's after-the-siren victory over Melbourne in round 18.

IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …

Of Geelong's ruckmen, Rhys Stanley (calf) is unlikely to be available, leaving the challenge of going up against the best ruckman in the competition to fourth-gamer Ryan Abbott or Zac Smith, who has not played at AFL level since round nine. Expect Blicavs to spend some time in there as well. If Gawn is allowed to dictate terms, the Cats will find it difficult to compete with the highest-scoring side in the competition.

PREDICTION: Melbourne by five points

 
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The game I am most looking forward to this week apart from last night for obvious reasons. Cats by 5.
 
Intriguing game, cant wait. The seemingly perennial contenders and the new kids ilon the block. I get the bookies odds rationally, the Demons are awesome at their best. The Cats form is impressive as well. I'm mindful the analytics thread suggests thrashing lower ranked teams is actually very good form.
Cant pick it, it would be good to see the Demons do well but if they do they'll have to work hard for it.

Anyone have the MCG crowd prediction?
From memory the Geelong QF turnout last year was a bit disappointing. Maybe an elimination final is a bit different. I get the Demons fans being pretty enthusiastic with a very good team and being back in finals. Just not sure how much latent support there is out there for them.
 
Intriguing game, cant wait. The seemingly perennial contenders and the new kids ilon the block. I get the bookies odds rationally, the Demons are awesome at their best. The Cats form is impressive as well. I'm mindful the analytics thread suggests thrashing lower ranked teams is actually very good form.
Cant pick it, it would be good to see the Demons do well but if they do they'll have to work hard for it.

Anyone have the MCG crowd prediction?
From memory the Geelong QF turnout last year was a bit disappointing. Maybe an elimination final is a bit different. I get the Demons fans being pretty enthusiastic with a very good team and being back in finals. Just not sure how much latent support there is out there for them.
MCG’s estimated attendance is 90,000.
 
Appeals on paper as the most attractive game for neutrals to watch. In theory, having 2 fairly easily lead in games where they had the ability to manage players feeling a bit sore, added to the bye week should give the Cats the advantage of coming in cherry ripe and fresh. The flip side is I wonder whether going into a final without having a real hard hit out for 4 weeks doesn't risk them coming out a bit flat. Particularly as the Cats followers themselves acknowledge their form coming off a bye has been pretty average. But at least on the basis of exposed form you'd have to consider Geelong the mentally stronger unit. So tend to agree with the opinions in the Preview thread that you can see Dees having a comfortable win, but if its close the money would have to be on Geelong.
If pressed, I go for the Demons win based mainly on the huge advantage Gawn will give them at the clearances, assuming he himself doesn't cop an injury during the game. Statistical win in the hit out numbers doesn't necessarily translate to clearances I know, but Gawn is such a clever tapper that in this situation I think it will. Dees obviously need to convert advantage in forward entries into scoreboard pressure- the scoreline from their last clash makes telling reading in terms of forward efficiency.
 

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Game of the round, can't see eiher team winning it by more than 15. Even if one team gets out to a lead both are so capable of brainfades and of excellent brilliant play that the fat lady won't be singing until very very late.

I think Melbourne are a more quality side but wonder whether they are just 1 pre-season away from playing finals footy for long enough to win. The evidence against the other top teams this year shows that - but are Geelong a `top team`? So many question marks.

Starting to lean towards Melbourne in a close one. Would just be extremely surprised if either side won comfortably.
 
Ablett back on the big finals stage which could put some wind back in his old sails. I know he’s not the Ablett of then but He was always a big time Finals player, he would easily have won a couple of Gary Ayers Awards from ‘07- ‘10.
 
Win win for me tonight.

Either get to watch a salty Chris Scott press conference (one of my favourites), or Dees getting ridiculed like we did after the 2013 Carlton EF.

Hoping for a close (and controversial) finish!
 

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AFL 2018 1st EF: Melbourne v Geelong: MCG, Friday September 7, 7.50pm AEST

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