Recruiting AFL Draft Watch 2022 - Tsatas, Hayes, Davey x2, Munkara & Montgomerie

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[Milanista28]

You just know the one time we reach for a list need we'll pass on a generational talent lol

 

[faible]

Agree, hindsight heroism with Francis. And yes, some of our second rounders have been poor (Steinberg, Ashby, Jackson Merrett, Long).

Jackson was clearly an investment in getting and keep Zachary

 

[Keystone agony]

The highest risk move we can currently do, is take guys without superstar potential. Playing it ridiculously safe is partially why we've been so terrible for 19 years. The riskier prospects of Cox and Perkins are the ones who could break us out of the mess. We need to keep stacking that level of talent, especially if it’s contested.

I don't think a lot of those early guys have shown enough to suggest, even if they reach their potential, they'll be vastly better players than the likes of Szykbowski, Ryan, Jones, Hotton, Konstanty, guys who will go 10-20ish picks behind some of them.

Whereas if George reaches his potential.... He kicked 18 goals in his first 5 games of the season (including 5 against the Power who were prelim finalists) and got injured after that. Keeps that up for the whole season and he takes out the goal kicking by about 9 goals over Cadman as a 186cm forward. Even if he doesn't transition to midfield; the need for us as a forward is there too and his talent as a forward justifies the selection on it's own. Gives us midfield scope with Perkins (and potentially Humphrey).

I don't think we need our kids playing straight away. With a fit list; spots will be very hard to get next year. I expect less than 20 games from our entire draft this year.

The other part is we can immediately chuck George on the long term injury list and take another player in to SSP or midyear. Despite being a shallow draft I like some of the unheralded prospects late like Bevan or a project ruck like Northam or Broadbent.

Look i said a while ago that id love to target a George at 22 if still available. Think the top 14 this year are in the same ball park as last years top 14 which looks very good. All have superstar qualities imo. There is definitly risk picking a guy off an ACL albeit that injury is seen as far less significant these days even for youngsters.

I guess whether you take a Hewett, Mckenzie, Phillipou, Hollands or George comes down to how you rate them and how much impact you think the ACL has

How a Humphrey, Perkins and George would all fit and work would also have to be something to consider if that were to occur after pick 4

 

[Zach Package]

I would disagree with that.

Parish has more than enough of a tank to go rack up 40+ disposals. He chooses not to run hard defensively.

Watch him, watch all of them. They are physically weak single effort players, a sorry combination.

We’ll all spew when we see what happens when Geelong get their hands on Parish for a couple of pre seasons.

 

[faible]

Watch him, watch all of them. They are physically weak single effort players, a sorry combination.

We’ll all spew when we see what happens when Geelong get their hands on Parish for a couple of pre seasons.

Geelong will demand he uses the tank he has to run both ways.

The idea all our players are subpar fitness-wise doesn't really bear out in reality.

You don't go and rack up 40+ being a single effort player.

Parish isn't going to accumulate more if he goes elsewhere, if anything his disposal count will drop as he's required to spend more effort on defensive work instead of just chasing the ball.

 

[Zach Package]

Geelong will demand he uses the tank he has to run both ways.

The idea all our players are subpar fitness-wise doesn't really bear out in reality.

You don't go and rack up 40+ being a single effort player.

Parish isn't going to accumulate more if he goes elsewhere, if anything his disposal count will drop as he's required to spend more effort on defensive work instead of just chasing the ball.

I never said he’d get more footy. They’d get him big, rock hard fit and running ontop of the ground and he certainly wouldn’t be missing months with a minor calf nick, that’s for sure.

I struggle to comprehend what everyone has been watching for the last decade if you don’t think that we are on another planet to the 17 other clubs fitness wise.

 

[faible]

I never said he’d get more footy. They’d get him big, rock hard fit and running ontop of the ground and he certainly wouldn’t be missing months with a minor calf nick, that’s for sure.

I struggle to comprehend what everyone has been watching for the last decade if you don’t think that we are on another planet to the 17 other clubs fitness wise.

Yeah, I suspect you'd be proven wrong on most of these counts.

 

[BOMBERBLITZ]

Phillipou please. Just watched his highlights... very BONT -like!

 

[ant555]

I didn’t bring up culture at any point, it’s an issue, but it’s not the issue I’m addressing here.

The point was not drafting Tsatas because of poor defensive running is a fallacy because the only reason the current playing group is in this mess is because of our D grade strength and conditioning program.

Addressing that as we have resolved to do and getting everyone jacked and covering the ground solves for all of the above.

As I said there are others that are more desirable and I’d be comfortable if we went for Humphrey or Wardlaw if available for example but Tsatas looks an absolute jet.

No. The reason our team defense is no good is we have not drafted leadership or competitive players as a priority.
To say it is a strength and conditioning issue is off the mark. Culture is the issue. It is the major issue. The two way running has never been an issue for those few who have prepared to do it. The fact is if you draft the real competitors and leaders they drive the standards. Pushing Parish harder is not fixing any defensive issues. People need to get in their heads that a different angle / view is needed. Keep drafting the likes of Hobbs and you start to fix both issues.
Just getting everyone jacked does not fix the issue. Two way runners do it as that is their DNA. That is how they play. That is their attitude.
You start by building the leadership and competitors and then you add the extra .

Tsatas is a Jet but he needs a support cast. I am not against him but I can see him becoming Jayden Stevenson with us without a good defensive midfield crew around him. He is a potential upgrade on a couple players we have but he is not a solution to our biggest issue. RED Black and Blue and myself where the first to drop off him a bit and it is because we need to be looking at hard edge no compromise as our number 1 priority.

Our leadership is awful. We have no players who go out of their way to play a physical game week in and week out let alone quarter by quarter. We have a few like Redman and Draper who have a bit of a crack and always attack the footy hard but even they do not go out of their way to really pressure the opposition every game.

The strength and conditioning issues mentioned in the report are actually more to do with training smart and recovering better . Sen Murphy mentioned after one year with us that our players needed to learn how to train properly. It is not just about flogging them around the track.
I do not care what opinion anyone else has. One reason sides like the Tigers run over us is we have not looked at endurance runners as a high priority. in general. Take McGrath . We drafted him to become a midfielder but he is not an endurance runner and it has shown.

I read the best 22 thread and shake my head as it is 90% the same as last year. I guess some people are happy with mediocre .

 

[ant555]

I never said he’d get more footy. They’d get him big, rock hard fit and running ontop of the ground and he certainly wouldn’t be missing months with a minor calf nick, that’s for sure.

I struggle to comprehend what everyone has been watching for the last decade if you don’t think that we are on another planet to the 17 other clubs fitness wise.

I think you are showing a total narrow view. Parish was super fit last year yet did not run both ways. Parish is Parish. He is not going to be any better at Geelong. We have already seem what he can do wen he is primed.
Geelong have had plenty of players of various ages with soft tissue injuries.
What they do have is a culture of strong leadership and a recruiting crew that place a high value on it. Players driving the standards on the field.

 

[ant555]

We prioritised leadership when we went with McGrath over McCluggage and that didn't turn out too well. Can we just pick the best footballer please, whoever that is.

That was the message at the time. Problem is you have nice bloke leaders and hard edge leaders. We have a history of drafting the nice blokes. To be honest I am not sure McCluggage would have done what he has in Brisbane if he was with us. Brisbane have had the hard edge players like Zroko , Neale , Robinson etc who get down and dirty. We have none. Hugh may well have been just another outside number with us who showed flashes of brilliance at times.
The player we should have picked was Taranto. It would not have mattered how bad we where he would have had an inside role.

 

[Zach Package]

I think you are showing a total narrow view. Parish was super fit last year yet did not run both ways. Parish is Parish. He is not going to be any better at Geelong. We have already seem what he can do wen he is primed.
Geelong have had plenty of players of various ages with soft tissue injuries.
What they do have is a culture of strong leadership and a recruiting crew that place a high value on it. Players driving the standards on the field.

Like I said when I bought this up, it will be a philosophical difference and won’t be popular.

It’s also gone beyond the pale of the original point I was making which is you don’t jump at shadows with a top 5 selection because of a problem that hopefully wont exist in 18 months time anyway.

Cats prepare their players better than anyone, Dangerfield basically cannot open his mouth without crediting their high performance staff and the high base that they build that allows their players to step in and out without missing a beat.

 

[Zephyr Effekt]

Should we take one of Humphrey or Phillipou with our pick.

Does a bear sh*# in the woods?

 

[Booplaz]

Imagine if just once we took the obvious player at a high pick.

There is no obvious player for the pick given Ashcroft, Sheezel, Wardlaw and Cadman are supposedly out of reach. We shouldn’t be taking Tsatas though.

 

[naraku]

Phillipou is a massive unit. If Wardlaw is gone, I assume we take him at 5 and not split to take him at 9(for example).

 

[Bjchan13]

Phillipou is a massive unit. If Wardlaw is gone, I assume we take him at 5 and not split to take him at 9(for example).

Phillipou is tall but think he'll be more Pendlebury/Possibley Bont than Fyfe/Danger. Ginbey from WA looks like a unit

 

[Bjchan13]

I think you are showing a total narrow view. Parish was super fit last year yet did not run both ways. Parish is Parish. He is not going to be any better at Geelong. We have already seem what he can do wen he is primed.
Geelong have had plenty of players of various ages with soft tissue injuries.
What they do have is a culture of strong leadership and a recruiting crew that place a high value on it. Players driving the standards on the field.

Parish will have to change or he wont play. That has to be the message to him. Even you have admitted this, Truck allowed Parish to play the way he plays.

 

[BrunoV]

If we are just looking at individuals who could end up top players in the competition I suspect that best available is going to be shown up for what it is this year.

You leave guys with the skill set and performances of Allan, Phillipou and Ginbey on the table at your peril.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Tsatas is the sort of player we should look at in a couple of years once we have the likes of Hobbs, McGrath, Humphrey/Clarke setting standards for new players entering the club.

I'm concerned that if we bring him in now we'll have an elite version of Tom Cutler

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Tom Cutler

Age

29

Ht

192cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.1

4star

K

11.7

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

MG

317.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

317.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

8.4

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

with an egg in his pocket.

 

[Bjchan13]

If we are just looking at individuals who could end up top players in the competition I suspect that best available is going to be shown up for what it is this year.

You leave guys with the skill set and performances of Allan, Phillipou and Ginbey on the table at your peril.

Id hope Mahoney is open to sliding back and taking the F2 from someone thats dead set on Tsatas. Take one of Ginbey, Phillipou or Humphrey. Clark even.

 

[Bjchan13]

Tsatas is the sort of player we should look at in a couple of years once we have the likes of Hobbs, McGrath, Humphrey/Clarke setting standards for new players entering the club.

I'm concerned that if we bring him in now we'll have an elite version of Tom Cutler with an egg in his pocket.

Standards need to be set by the coaches. Worsfold let players set the standards and it rolled over into Truck. Tsatas is going to be a jet. Think Bailey Smith rather than Tom Cutler.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Id hope Mahoney is open to sliding back and taking the F2 from someone thats dead set on Tsatas. Take one of Ginbey, Phillipou or Humphrey. Clark even.

Wardlaw slipping to our pick in the event Norf take Tsatas would probably shake loose some very good offers for our pick

 

[Old Campaigner]

Standards need to be set by the coaches. Worsfold let players set the standards and it rolled over into Truck. Tsatas is going to be a jet. Think Bailey Smith rather than Tom Cutler.

Bailey Smith in our culture would probably end up with an egg in his pocket as well tbh

 

[Bjchan13]

Wardlaw slipping to our pick in the event Norf take Tsatas would probably shake loose some very good offers for our pick

Wardlaw slips and there is no way we are passing on him luckily.

 

[Bjchan13]

Bailey Smith in our culture would probably end up with an egg in his pocket as well tbh

Cutler is a very limited player in what he can offer a team. Brisbane knew that and gave him away and we found that out and delisted him. No other club will pick him up. Essendons 'culture' has nothing to do with it.