Recruiting AFL Draft Watch 2024 - What do we do, we don't have a top 10 pick?

[jdstorm]

List management is about preparing ahead

What if you cant get a certain ruckman?

A mature ruck means we can push Draper out for a good pick if thats what we want. If we dont have one, we probably need to over pay to keep him

You also want atleast 3-4 ruckman on the list

There’s always Rucks available on the trade market. Especially the delisted Free agent type.

In the above scenario it would be better to pay overs(picks) in a trade to get a veteran ruck in and still get the return from Draper if the priority pick was that good)

Our Ruck 4/5 of Draper, Bryan, Goldy, Wright, Viggo with a shoutout to Cox is plenty for this year and pretty well balanced.

 

[Vindicater]

Allows us flexibility and some sort of back up plan for

Nick Bryan (OOC 12 months)
Sam Draper (OOC 12 months) - Free Agent
Goldstein - Retire 12 months

Wait wait wait...

You want Preuss and you want him for two years?

 

[sregit]

A lot of talk about 'super draft'... I'm trying to read between the lines and I think the reason it's getting labelled as a super draft is because the gap from 1-20 is smaller than it's ever been and not necessarily the quality of the players?

Or are these players legitimately top top talents?

Interfering Richmond supporter.

I agree with your assessment here. I think that there is not any/many standout players in this draft and the gap between draftees is as you stated very small. There is no Harley Reid, JHF OR Daicos types in this draft and I’m worried my team is going all chips in to a draft that maybe signicantly overrated.
I really think the Bombers should not sell the farm to try and get back into R1 of the draft. Teams with picks are asking for way to much for their picks for the super draft, that may never eventuate.

 

[IHurley]

Interfering Richmond supporter.

I agree with your assessment here. I think that there is not any/many standout players in this draft and the gap between draftees is as you stated very small. There is no Harley Reid, JHF OR Daicos types in this draft and I’m worried my team is going all chips in to a draft that maybe signicantly overrated.
I really think the Bombers should not sell the farm to try and get back into R1 of the draft. Teams with picks are asking for way to much for their picks for the super draft, that may never eventuate.

Bet you can't do worse than Perkins, Cox and Reid.

 

[eth-dog]

Interfering Richmond supporter.

I agree with your assessment here. I think that there is not any/many standout players in this draft and the gap between draftees is as you stated very small. There is no Harley Reid, JHF OR Daicos types in this draft and I’m worried my team is going all chips in to a draft that maybe signicantly overrated.
I really think the Bombers should not sell the farm to try and get back into R1 of the draft. Teams with picks are asking for way to much for their picks for the super draft, that may never eventuate.

I think that you might put a couple of what's currently 18, 20, 23 and 24 into next year and grab a couple of picks at the end of the draft.

 

[Nifft]

Bet you can't do worse than Perkins, Cox and Reid.

Easy to say in hindsight, but we probably should've traded one of those picks.

 

[rusman]

We likely trade out and then back into this draft based on the number of list spots currently open. Also our pick structure has enough points without 28/31 to cover points for kako.

However, something to consider is the recent changes to the points rules next year and the likely increased demand for points among clubs (high academy kids). We could potentially plan to secure an additional future pick or two.

Having a bunch of picks next year would make us an attractive candidate for those pick splitting/ points matching.

Maybe this is something to consider if we don’t overpay to come back in.

 

[Call Me Cake]

When you look back at drafts prior, you can see that a chunk of the top 10 don't live up to expectations. This partly because not every player can be a star, but also because chance of nailing them once is a skill in itself that isn't replicated easily.

Looking back at Gold Coast when they had so many picks in the same draft people were thinking they were going to go on a dynasty. There is a reason the approach to Tasmania is different and why the AFL is looking to spread out their opportunities over multiple years than just one.

If Richmond were smart they would trade one of their picks close to the top 10, like 11 for example, for a F1 and extra in the 2nd's. They'd lessen their chance of having to nail everything at once but also be more exposed to future talent that can address other areas of the ground and chase talent that may rise in the ranks, as well as use picks in the later rounds to trade to those looking to fight off bids.

This draft isn't a "super draft" like 2001, it's more of a "even draft" in that the gap is even but weighted more to the likeness of the later picks in other drafts than the high picks they generated.

 

[Milanista28]

Interfering Richmond supporter.

I agree with your assessment here. I think that there is not any/many standout players in this draft and the gap between draftees is as you stated very small. There is no Harley Reid, JHF OR Daicos types in this draft and I’m worried my team is going all chips in to a draft that maybe signicantly overrated.
I really think the Bombers should not sell the farm to try and get back into R1 of the draft. Teams with picks are asking for way to much for their picks for the super draft, that may never eventuate.

It's a good draft to build a core I think, you guys will get the chance at a top young gun over the next couple seasons.

 

[Keystone agony]

Wait wait wait...

You want Preuss and you want him for two years?

Doesnt have to be Preuss

But yeh would be for 2 years

He has aggression that none of our players have

 

[Keystone agony]

There’s always Rucks available on the trade market. Especially the delisted Free agent type.

In the above scenario it would be better to pay overs(picks) in a trade to get a veteran ruck in and still get the return from Draper if the priority pick was that good)

Our Ruck 4/5 of Draper, Bryan, Goldy, Wright, Viggo with a shoutout to Cox is plenty for this year and pretty well balanced.

Im not worried about 2025. List management is about risk management and planning ahead

What rucks were available this year?

If Draper gets offered Band 1 money we want to feel ok not matching stupid money because we dont have a ruck, and also because we want a band 1 pick

Wright is not a ruck. Vigo is atleast 3 years away

It also doesnt mean we have to lock away Draper early, because doing so also means Bryan is much more likely to leave

 

[doug85]

When you look back at drafts prior, you can see that a chunk of the top 10 don't live up to expectations. This partly because not every player can be a star, but also because chance of nailing them once is a skill in itself that isn't replicated easily.

Looking back at Gold Coast when they had so many picks in the same draft people were thinking they were going to go on a dynasty. There is a reason the approach to Tasmania is different and why the AFL is looking to spread out their opportunities over multiple years than just one.

If Richmond were smart they would trade one of their picks close to the top 10, like 11 for example, for a F1 and extra in the 2nd's. They'd lessen their chance of having to nail everything at once but also be more exposed to future talent that can address other areas of the ground and chase talent that may rise in the ranks, as well as use picks in the later rounds to trade to those looking to fight off bids.

This draft isn't a "super draft" like 2001, it's more of a "even draft" in that the gap is even but weighted more to the likeness of the later picks in other drafts than the high picks they generated.

Think I heard somewhere that Tassie will get draft picks they have to trade for ready made players. I’m sure that won’t be the only concessions, but it might not be as hard on the rest of the clubs as GCS/GWS entry

 

[Duckworth]

Im not worried about 2025. List management is about risk management and planning ahead

What rucks were available this year?

If Draper gets offered Band 1 money we want to feel ok not matching stupid money because we dont have a ruck, and also because we want a band 1 pick

Wright is not a ruck. Vigo is atleast 3 years away

It also doesnt mean we have to lock away Draper early, because doing so also means Bryan is much more likely to leave

Planning ahead also means looking to develop players in a variety of positions, without tying up 3 list spots to back up a single position on the ground. Goldy is the backup (3rd backup) this year, when he goes we can find another one (or preferably start developing a new one).

 

[Zach Package]

Preuss?

Spare me, popped a string running onto the field this year?

 

[Bjchan13]

Id have Cox and Visentini playing key fwd/ ruck in the VFL and getting their minutes in the ruck under Goldsteins playing/coach role. Maybe Goldy 40% Cox and Visentini 30% each ruck minutes. They could both learn a lot from him. Cox would also be learning the forward role out of the heat of the AFL.

AFL

Id have Bryan 60/10/30 ruck/fwd/bench

Draper 40/30/20

Wright 0/70/30

Wright a good back up for any in game injuries but would like to see him bounce back as a key forward only

Also, im holding onto Draper next year if i can. Dont want to see him come into his prime and **** off to Adelaide. Unless we finish bottom 4 and its band 1 im matching and keeping him.

 

[Rick Ross]

Id have Cox and Visentini playing key fwd/ ruck in the VFL and getting their minutes in the ruck under Goldsteins playing/coach role. Maybe Goldy 40% Cox and Visentini 30% each ruck minutes. They could both learn a lot from him. Cox would also be learning the forward role out of the heat of the AFL.

AFL

Id have Bryan 60/10/30 ruck/fwd/bench

Draper 40/30/20

Wright 0/70/30

Wright a good back up for any in game injuries but would like to see him bounce back as a key forward only

Also, im holding onto Draper next year if i can. Dont want to see him come into his prime and **** off to Adelaide. Unless we finish bottom 4 and its band 1 im matching and keeping him.

Big Cox are… I mean “is” my thing.

Was a big fan of developing him in the AFL team in the flanker - wing roles… but I really like the idea of playing him fwd-ruck in the VFL team. Utility - backup ruck could be his best role. Might enable us longer term run a less cumbersome squad.

 

[Bjchan13]

Big Cox are… I mean “is” my thing.

Was a big fan of developing him in the AFL team in the flanker - wing roles… but I really like the idea of playing him fwd-ruck in the VFL team. Utility - backup ruck could be his best role. Might enable us longer term run a less cumbersome squad.

Dont like him on the wing at all. He seems to be a confidence player and a mobile ruck/forward gig could keep him involved in the game. I'd give him a solid stint in the VFL doing it and see what happens. He's never been developed properly in any role since we drafted him.

 

[Foxx]

Bet you can't do worse than Perkins, Cox and Reid.

Fat lady hasn't sung yet.
I'm still quietly confident in Reid and Cox. Perkins not so much.

 

[Keystone agony]

Planning ahead also means looking to develop players in a variety of positions, without tying up 3 list spots to back up a single position on the ground. Goldy is the backup (3rd backup) this year, when he goes we can find another one (or preferably start developing a new one).

There has to be some chance that we lose all 3 rucks end of this year, and more chance we lose 2, certainty to lose 1

Its not like were doing anything in 2025, having 4 rucks or 3 knowing that it becomes at least 3 the next year isnt an issue

We dont want to be in a position where we lose 2 rucks and there isnt anything viable

Can only mean having to signifcantly up our offers to one of them, which is probably already happening without another ruck. We want to be in a position where were ok having Draper leave so we get a 1st rounder

We can get one in his prime age, as a stop gap, who played really good footy in 2022. He also adds super aggression which id love to see on the training track and in ruck battles

 

[Keystone agony]

Dont like him on the wing at all. He seems to be a confidence player and a mobile ruck/forward gig could keep him involved in the game. I'd give him a solid stint in the VFL doing it and see what happens. He's never been developed properly in any role since we drafted him.

Hes been developed in the wing role properly

 

[jdstorm]

Hes been developed in the wing role properly

He’s played a lot of wing just isn’t that good there

 

[jdstorm]

Im not worried about 2025. List management is about risk management and planning ahead

What rucks were available this year?

If Draper gets offered Band 1 money we want to feel ok not matching stupid money because we dont have a ruck, and also because we want a band 1 pick

Wright is not a ruck. Vigo is atleast 3 years away

It also doesnt mean we have to lock away Draper early, because doing so also means Bryan is much more likely to leave

Thing is our ruck group is very well balanced for this season.

Going off last season both Draper and Bryan will be best 22 going forward and we might look to move on Wright.

Bringing in another player to compete with these two likely just leads to unhappiness.

Sometimes you plan ahead other times you just need to trust the process that your plan was/is good and let it unfold.

 

[ydc55]

Doesnt have to be Preuss

But yeh would be for 2 years

He has aggression that none of our players have

He can’t get on the park and been let go by three clubs.

 

[Duckworth]

There has to be some chance that we lose all 3 rucks end of this year, and more chance we lose 2, certainty to lose 1

Its not like were doing anything in 2025, having 4 rucks or 3 knowing that it becomes at least 3 the next year isnt an issue

We dont want to be in a position where we lose 2 rucks and there isnt anything viable

Can only mean having to signifcantly up our offers to one of them, which is probably already happening without another ruck. We want to be in a position where were ok having Draper leave so we get a 1st rounder

We can get one in his prime age, as a stop gap, who played really good footy in 2022. He also adds super aggression which id love to see on the training track and in ruck battles

Having multiple backup rucks is not a priority for a re-building team. The ruck is one position, that can be filled by a single player. That list spot is better used for having another swing at the draft.

 

[IHurley]

Fat lady hasn't sung yet.
I'm still quietly confident in Reid and Cox. Perkins not so much.

They may all end up being competent, consistent, best 22 players but we are desperate for star power and none of them will get there.

The only two on our list that appear to have potential as genuine stars are Caddy and Tsatas (ignoring Merrett). Tsatas may not make it at all but he does have genuinely elite traits. So that's one star and two potential stars and that's it. I think the core of the team is very solid but boy do we need some genuine A graders.