AFL finally getting serious over alternate strips

[Mero]

that clashes more with melbourne than the thinner sash.

i'll tell you what the problem is here, the australian football community doesn't have any 'common sense' on how to deal with the issue. just like other things such as banking, europeans know how to not over-complicate the issue.

the afl have to implement match-day rules on playing strips:
1. Abolish the coloured-home/white-away shorts rule. it was a vfl band-aid fix in 1924 when clubs didn't have access to apparel sponsorship deals as they do now.
2. All clubs submit one home match-day playing strip to the AFL (including change shorts/socks if required).
3. All clubs submit one alternate (away) playing strip to the AFL which is in contrast to the home match-day strip.
4. All clubs must endeavour to wear their nominated home match-day strip in all matches.
5. If in the opinion of the AFL, if the two strips of match-day clubs are the same, or similar in appearance, the designated away team must wear its change shorts/socks to the home strip (if similarity is confined to these) or its away strip on match-day.

how can that be so hard.

Why the Away team?
Why not the club who most recently changed their jumper, thereby causing the jumper clash?
Why not have a rule where if one club has an existing Clash jumper, that they wear it?

What difference does it make in a game at Telstra Dome, where both teams play their Home games, and neither of them train?

 

[Rocket23]

My point exactly is that ed put the sponsor before the man, tradition, heart of the club.

Tradition means crap when compared to the might of eddies corporate hunger. No smartarse point simple fact, lexarse rose might have played for the club, and supported it with his heart and soul, not as important as a few dollars from this years sponsor though is it?

So you are saying you dont like Eddie because he has shown disrespect to a club legend but the very next sentence you disrespect the said club legend???

 

[ManWithNoName]

You have got to be joking. Vlad's the biggest tool the game has ever seen. First he and that Anderson ********er kill the game onfield with pointless, pathetic rule changes, and now he kills clubs history by forcing them to change their jumpers, against the will of the members, the people who actually go and sit in the goddamn stands and watch. Who gives a ******** what some tosser in a suit thinks, listen to what those who pay money to go and see the game for once Vlad.

 

[Saintsfan]

So you are saying you dont like Eddie because he has shown disrespect to a club legend but the very next sentence you disrespect the said club legend???

No I'm saying the man is a facetious, two-faced liar, one minute he uses the tradition card to rag on about his pathetic bloody jumper, which by the way is not the traditional one, then he puts money before tradition in naming his vision of all a footy center can be after a sponsor. Usually Eddie addresses the place as the lexarse center with olb bob if ever thought of it's as an after thought.

So tradition, club legends, nothing is more important than Eddie garnishing the corporate dollar, it's how he defines himself- the money man.

For him to keep playing the Tradition excuse is simply a pathetic copout

 

[Saintsfan]

Why the Away team?
Why not the club who most recently changed their jumper, thereby causing the jumper clash?
Why not have a rule where if one club has an existing Clash jumper, that they wear it?

What difference does it make in a game at Telstra Dome, where both teams play their Home games, and neither of them train?

for someone who goes erect at the sight of a jumper you offer flaccid arguments.

So if collingwood are at home and seeing as they changed their jumper recently in a lot of cases they'd end up having to change anyway.

Why the away team? Because as the home side you have the right to wear what you bloody want regardless of whether eddies gone through ten boxes of tissues!

 

[konstas_87]

There needs to be a Pink, Orange and Green striped clash jersey enforced on any club that refuses to design their own.

haha nice

 

[Tas]

I understand what Eddie is talking about when it comes to tradition, heritage, etc... I just only see him bringing it up when it suits him.

Leaving Victoria Park is a bigger change of heritage and tradition than changing a jumper to avoid a clash. Their home has been uprooted and moved, that is a big freaking change.

It is why I do not support our move to the Gold Coast, it is like the Collingwood move, just further away.

 

[bluecamel]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/shut_up_eddie/

 

[MarkT]

You don’t know what you are talking about. The Lexus Centre and the proposed Bob Rose Oval are two different venues and locations. I know you dislike Eddie. That’s your business and how genuine we think he is is ours but shut the hell up about Bob Rose please.

 

[konstas_87]

Thanks for clearing that up Ed, here I was thinking that the AFL was in charge of fixtures.

dont be stupid they are doing us a favour by leaving melbourne ?!?4!?! times a year.

EVERY club (even the sub 20 year old) clubs have traditions. Every other club shouldnt have to accomodate 'special' Collingwood even at their home venues. Pull your head out of your own 'behind'.

 

[Saintsfan]

You don’t know what you are talking about. The Lexus Centre and the proposed Bob Rose Oval are two different venues and locations. I know you dislike Eddie. That’s your business and how genuine we think he is is ours but shut the hell up about Bob Rose please.

WHO???

 

[JeffDunne]

What I don't understand about this debate is the passion of those pro alternate strips. I have no problems if clubs want to fight it, provided it doesn't impact on my club and what my club wants to do. We have chosen to have alternate strips as a means of expanding our brand - other clubs chose to not change it to strengthen their brand. I can understand their historical links and can also understand why those clubs want to maintain strong links to their past. What I don't understand though is how others feel they can tell those supporters how they should feel about their club.

 

[loki04]

You have got to be joking. Vlad's the biggest tool the game has ever seen. First he and that Anderson ********er kill the game onfield with pointless, pathetic rule changes, and now he kills clubs history by forcing them to change their jumpers, against the will of the members, the people who actually go and sit in the goddamn stands and watch. Who gives a ******** what some tosser in a suit thinks, listen to what those who pay money to go and see the game for once Vlad.

Yeah but he is bowing to the preesure of stoopid ********ing supporters like those on here that want to see the down fall of the big 4 power clubs in every facet these teams will no longer represent the old.
It is not Collingwood without the black and white stripes either way white on black or black on white it doesn't matter but the AFL don't want this they want a completly different design.

I never want to see a game where you have Essendon v Richmond and the bombers run out with that all red eye sore it isn't the bombers, it's the friggin Jaffers.

Ditto with collingwood we are Black and White stripes that has never changed and all you POWER supporters are just that POWER supporters not the Port Adelaide Magpies!

As for the St.kilda fan who keeps raving about the "BLOCKBUSTER" games the reason they are blockbuster games is because we (Collingwood , Essondon , Carlton and to somewhat Richmond and Melb on Queens B'day) made them into what they are with good marketing and a large supporter base, if your club has an original thought than you can have a blockbuster game as long as you get a crowd of atleast 60k+. Just like the W.A and S.A have there derby's that is a blockbuster game.

 

[MarkT]

I understand what Eddie is talking about when it comes to tradition, heritage, etc... I just only see him bringing it up when it suits him.

If it suits him when the AFL talk about forcing change from our black and white stripes then that’s what I want from him. FWIW he’s spoken about this numerous times and addressed it at the AGM. It is a significant issue for Collingwood supporters and as such it is his duty to do what he doing.

Leaving Victoria Park is a bigger change of heritage and tradition than changing a jumper to avoid a clash. Their home has been uprooted and moved, that is a big freaking change.

A lot of people didn't like that and many still are very unhappy about it. I am a realist. When was the last time you went there? It was actually sad to see what it had come to when I last went to a practice match there a couple of years ago. Nevertheless I loved watching the Pies there and taking my young son along.

It's a BS argument though. The fact that some things go by the wayside is all the more reason to hang onto what remains. Every inch given on this issue is vital. We already seen that in action time and again. You give ground on this and it is used as a precedent.

It is why I do not support our move to the Gold Coast, it is like the Collingwood move, just further away.

It's far worse. Frankly, as I have said often, if I were a North member I'd want to be called North Melbourne and wear the blue and white stripes and ditto The Dogs but that isn't my businees it is yours.

 

[Saintsfan]

You don’t know what you are talking about. The Lexus Centre and the proposed Bob Rose Oval are two different venues and locations. I know you dislike Eddie. That’s your business and how genuine we think he is is ours but shut the hell up about Bob Rose please.

What's in a name? In April, Collingwood president and media omnipresence Eddie McGuire announced that the club's new training oval at Olympic Park would be renamed the Lexus Bob Rose Oval. Former Collingwood player and coach Bob Rose, who died of cancer last July, was loved by his club for his sportsmanship, his loyalty and his generosity of spirit. McGuire said he had told Rose of the naming plan on the night before Rose's death and the former champion had described the honour as "the greatest accolade of his life". But the decision to name the oval after Rose was not McGuire's prerogative. The oval is on public land in Melbourne's 1956 Olympic precinct and managed by the Melbourne and Olympic Parks Trust. Trust chairman Alan Oxley said the Magpies had not asked the trust for permission to name the oval and, besides, it would be better named after an Olympian. McGuire later made a compromise proposal to drop the sponsor's name, but even though the Bob Rose Oval was a better-sounding suggestion, it too was rejected. A sensible compromise was reached at last. The new training pavilion and players' rooms will be called the Bob Rose Training Centre; the redeveloped former Olympic pool and Glasshouse will continue to be called the Lexus Centre

Can just imagine the scene bobby were gonna name the place after a car, oh and you of course

 

[mcgarnacle]

Why the Away team?
Why not the club who most recently changed their jumper, thereby causing the jumper clash?
Why not have a rule where if one club has an existing Clash jumper, that they wear it?

What difference does it make in a game at Telstra Dome, where both teams play their Home games, and neither of them train?

the designated home team pays the bills for the game (regardless if its at telstra dome or the mcg), the home team is primarily entertaining their paid-up sponsors and members, its their signage displayed all over the ground. they are the club attempting to maximise their revenue and their exposure for these 11 matches per year. the away team merely turns up to play.

haven't you ever wondered why collingwood and essendon alternate home status every year for the anzac day game? its a money spinner for the home club. and every effort should be made for them to capitalise on it. the home team gets the benefit, the away team must yield.

your argument is reactive. what if all clubs adopt an alternate guernsey down the track? a new set of rules is required again. it also further promotes bias and uneveness in the competition - something the admin should get away from. every team is 1/16 in this comp.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Why the Away team?
Why not the club who most recently changed their jumper, thereby causing the jumper clash?
Why not have a rule where if one club has an existing Clash jumper, that they wear it?

What difference does it make in a game at Telstra Dome, where both teams play their Home games, and neither of them train?

the designated home team pays the bills for the game (regardless if its at telstra dome or the mcg), the home team is primarily entertaining their paid-up sponsors and members, its their signage displayed all over the ground. they are the club attempting to maximise their revenue and their exposure for these 11 matches per year. the away team merely turns up to play.

haven't you ever wondered why collingwood and essendon alternate home status every year for the anzac day game? its a money spinner for the home club. and every effort should be made for them to capitalise on it. the home team gets the benefit, the away team must yield.

your argument is reactive. what if all clubs adopt an alternate guernsey down the track? a new set of rules is required again. it also further promotes bias and uneveness in the competition - something the admin should get away from. every team is 1/16 in this comp.

 

[mantis]

What I don't understand though is how others feel they can tell those supporters how they should feel about their club.

Bingo. It really gives me the shytes, when supporters of other clubs say that we should change, none of their business & they can butt out. Especially when they start using the stupid bloody overseas soccer examples, WGAF what they do? This is australia & OUR game.

 

[MarkT]

What I don't understand though is how others feel they can tell those supporters how they should feel about their club.

Me either. I think there's a bit of anti Eddie (evident in some of the posts), a bit of anti "big old" clubs and bit of we did it so you should. I don't care what other clubs want to wear as long as they don't take our black and white stripes. In the AFL, as long as that remains uniquely Collingwood ad vise versa then go ahead and market and merchandise any way you want to. I personally think it was a mistake by the Dogs and Roos but as I keep saying that's an opinion of mine but not really my concern.

 

[JeffDunne]

I don't think Eddie helps with his rants. He's far too hysterical to be taken seriously on this issue.

I've actually changed my stance on this. I'm all for teams changing if they want to, but I'm also for doing what is best for the competition as a whole. If it's best for Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton not to change, then unless it disadvantages others then why force them? Just about every alternate "new" jumper has been a disgrace - so why p*** another tradition up the wall simply on a whim. Unless there's a good reason, why force them?

 

[Z_K]

Who cares?

More annoying were his smug, patronising comments this morning re North and why we should change our jumper on Monday and be happy about it. Save that, non-issue. If he and the AFL want see who can be more stubborn and throw around the most weight, good on them.

I haven't seen the bloke for ages. The world is a better place.

 

[rodogs]

Bingo. It really gives me the shytes, when supporters of other clubs say that we should change, none of their business & they can butt out. Especially when they start using the stupid bloody overseas soccer examples, WGAF what they do? This is australia & OUR game.

If your so into Australia and OUR game- why are you plugging a US site- ya pagan.

 

[hotpie]

The AFL has slighty more of a case for alternative strips for Essendon and Carlton as their uniforms are predominantly dark, and therefore likely to clash with uniforms like Richmond Melbourne and Adelaide. Not sure I like the Essendon strip, but teh Carlton one actually looks pretty good.

Collingwood on the other hand can deliver on alternatives without deviating from traditional vertical stripes, because of our contrasting colours. It aint rocket science.

 

[celtic_pride]

Collingwood are just being pig-headed and ignorant with regards to the alternate jumper issue.

 

[bluecamel]

Can someone please explain how wearing an away jumper for maybe 3-4 games a year pi55es all over a club's tradition?

I simply don't get it. Having all 16 clubs with an away jumper is such a non-issue IMO it's not funny.

Moreover, I reckon if you asked a fan of any club if they would like their club to win the Premiership this year, but the only catch was that their team would have to wear an away jumper, that they'd probably agree to it.

All jokes aside about how unlikely it is at the moment, I couldn't really care less what colour guernsey Carlton wears for their next Premiership, I just want them to win it. And my opinion would remain if we were a genuine chance, rather than struggling as we are now. I love Carlton's Navy Blue jumper, make no mistake, but it is the 16 premierships I am most proud of, not the colours they wear on game day.

The heritage and history of a club cannot be taken away. They are a non-tangible set of facts that exist because they have happened. Nobody is demanding a permanent change of jumpers. It's a simple request for a plainly obvious reason.

Most clubs seem to be happy to wear a new jumper design for the Mickey Mouse Cup at the start of the year without hearing cries from their supporters about the sky falling on their head because of it.

Let's be grown up about it and just deal with it. There are bigger problems with the way the AFL is run than this straightforward request.