Play Nice AFL Growth in Queensland

[The_Wookie]

2021 Membership

Brisbane Lions 40,289 (record)
Gold Coast Suns 19,460 (record)
AFL members 59,749

2021 Attendance

Brisbane Lions	Total - 226631​	Games 11​	Ave - 20603​
Gold Coast	Total - 75934​	Games 9​	Ave - 8437​

Total AFL attendance 302,565 @ 15,128
Excludes Finals

2021 FTA Television (Brisbane)

Brisbane -
Gld Coast -
QLD teams -
All AFL 36,000 ave

 

[The_Wookie]

Queensland Wide

 

[The_Wookie]

Participation

 

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[Kwality]

Its as simple the number of Queenslanders in the player pool for me.

 

[The_Wookie]

Its as simple the number of Queenslanders in the player pool for me.

thats nice. Me I like details.

 

[Kwality]

thats nice. Me I like details.

I would have posted them if I had them, however here is an article from which I've cherrypicked this claim:
On 2019 lists, there were roughly twice as many (about 105, up from 53) players in the AFL from NSW, Queensland and the ACT compared to 1996. The major gains were Queensland contributions doubling in number and recruitment from Sydney and coastal NSW increasing significantly.

Has the AFL’s talent pool become more diluted over time?

When discussion of recent or future AFL expansion arises, it is often followed by claims from various pundits claim that the addition of extra teams impacts on the quality of football by spreading …

www.hpnfooty.com

The actual numbers escaped a quick read.

 

[weewilly]

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Looking good!

 

[Bjo187]

I would have posted them if I had them, however here is an article from which I've cherrypicked this claim:
On 2019 lists, there were roughly twice as many (about 105, up from 53) players in the AFL from NSW, Queensland and the ACT compared to 1996. The major gains were Queensland contributions doubling in number and recruitment from Sydney and coastal NSW increasing significantly.

Has the AFL’s talent pool become more diluted over time?

When discussion of recent or future AFL expansion arises, it is often followed by claims from various pundits claim that the addition of extra teams impacts on the quality of football by spreading …

www.hpnfooty.com

The actual numbers escaped a quick read.

Really good information in that attachment. Puts to bed the myth around dilution of talent.

 

[Kwality]

Really good information in that attachment. Puts to bed the myth around dilution of talent.

Not to me.

 

[RedV3x]

Not to me.

I watch and enjoy the WAFL. There's plenty of talent there and it's not bogged down in defensive tactics.
I don't watch so much AFL now because of the way many teams are coached.
Thankfully teams have realised that the only way to combat defensive tactics is to attack
and that chipping the ball backwards and even switching allows teams to prepare defenses.
That encourages me to watch more AFL.

Talent ? If an AFL player has talent then they put a player on to nullify the player.
Today, a player has to be an absolute superstar to beat the opposition.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

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The_Wookie what part of Queensland is Northern Rivers??

Northern Rivers area is a big chunk of Northern NSW ie Coffs Harbour, Grafton, Lismore, Byron Bay, Tweed Heads etc all way up to the Qld border.

Is it supposed to be the southern Qld near the NSW border, west of the Gold Coast and more the Darling Downs??

I've done a few searches for Northern Rivers Queensland and get nothing. The order its layed out I assume its some part of FNQ north of Cairns.

 

[The_Wookie]

The_Wookie what part of Queensland is Northern Rivers??

Northern Rivers area is a big chunk of Northern NSW ie Coffs Harbour, Grafton, Lismore, Byron Bay, Tweed Heads etc all way up to the Qld border.

Is it supposed to be the southern Qld near the NSW border, west of the Gold Coast and more the Darling Downs??

I've done a few searches for Northern Rivers Queensland and get nothing. The order its layed out I assume its some part of FNQ north of Cairns.

Byron, Ballina, Lismore, Richmond Valley, Tweed

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Byron, Ballina, Lismore, Richmond Valley, Tweed

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Do you know if AFLQ have shared responsibility for Northern Rivers development stuff with AFL NSW-ACT?

If only AFLQ, then which club gets that area as part of its Academy? Gold Coast or Sydney?

 

[robbieando]

Do you know if AFLQ have shared responsibility for Northern Rivers development stuff with AFL NSW-ACT?

If only AFLQ, then which club gets that area as part of its Academy? Gold Coast or Sydney?

It's part of the Gold Coast's academy, so a NSW born player from say Lismore is zoned to the Suns

Map of the zones which can be zoomed to street level can be found here:

AFL - News, Fixtures, Scores & Results - AFL.com.au

Australian Football League. All the latest AFL news, video, results and information

www.afl.com.au

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It's part of the Gold Coast's academy, so a NSW born player from say Lismore is zoned to the Suns

Map of the zones which can be zoomed to street level can be found here:

AFL - News, Fixtures, Scores & Results - AFL.com.au

Australian Football League. All the latest AFL news, video, results and information

www.afl.com.au

Thanks for confirming. I've used that map many times for SA and WA clubs' zones.

Glad I asked the question, as I had never heard of a Northern Rivers area in Qld.

 

[kranger]

In the past 20 years the Gold Coast population has grown from 0.45m to 0.7m. If it continues at that rate there will be 1m people in the Gold Coast around 2041.

Regional population, 2020-21 financial year

Statistics about the population and components of change (births, deaths, migration) for Australia's capital cities and regions

www.abs.gov.au

That would make the Gold Coast nearly as big as Adelaide when it got it’s second team.

Now I’m not saying the Gold Coast should have a second team in the future. Or for SEQ to have three teams with it’s current population of 3.5m. But you can definitely see why the AFL wanted the Gold Coast as team 17.

 

[kranger]

Whilst this season is not over, it is interesting to compare how the crowds are going in Gold Coast for the AFL and NRL. Hopefully the AFL average can grow.

 

[RedV3x]

Whilst this season is not over, it is interesting to compare how the crowds are going in Gold Coast for the AFL and NRL. Hopefully the AFL average can grow.

Population is one thing, onfield success is another and engaging with community is another.

Look at the Swans - immediate level of support due to local and expat attendees but it took time and effort to create generational growth through increased participation. Being competitive has helped immensely.
The Giants had little resources despite being the geographic centre of Sydney. Continued onfield success and promotion is essential.

Look at the Storm. it has taken a phenomenal amount of continued onfield success to be stable.
The Raiders don't seem to be omnipresent like they once used to.

IMO the Suns are on the cusp and they just need that little bit extra to get across.

 

[dave10]

Good overview of the games growth on the Gold Coast. Bides really well for the future. Todays GC Bulletin.

mod edit: https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.a...m/news-story/b3535a88dae09abf198a5019fff9b483

 

[Bjo187]

Good overview of the games growth on the Gold Coast. Bides really well for the future. Todays GC Bulletin.

mod edit: https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.a...m/news-story/b3535a88dae09abf198a5019fff9b483

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That's massive, you were right about the growth up there. The suns will be a strong club with this in the background. What do you put those massive numbers in growth down to? I think I know myself but interested to hear from a local.

 

[dave10]

That's massive, you were right about the growth up there. The suns will be a strong club with this in the background. What do you put those massive numbers in growth down to? I think I know myself but interested to hear from a local.

I think there’s several factors. The game is investing hard in grassroots. The Suns are doing a great job driving their Academy program in the schools.

The game investment collaboratively with council's and even schools and local clubs to convert sporting fields to AFL grounds. The article talked about helping schools and clubs nurture growth by investing in flood lights to allow evening footy which means more kids / players can access grounds (more hours in a day).

The Suns are really invested the grassroots and game development so they’ve got the ‘end to end’ sorted. But the AFL Queensland are quietly and aggressively making inroads which was turbocharged during the COVID years..

 

[kalex6251]

lot of the growth is down to the popularity of aflw .... the grass roots game for women in qld is probably the strongest in the country

 

[Bjo187]

lot of the growth is down to the growing popularity of aflw .... the grass roots game for women in qld is probably the strongest in the country

Yeah my mate that lives up there and is a school teacher in both Brisbane and gc reckons playing Australian football is trendy with all the cool chicks in the schools he's worked in.