And McDonalds is probably the most poplular and therefore best food the world has to offer.
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And McDonalds is probably the most poplular and therefore best food the world has to offer.
mickctiger
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so are you seriously, hand on heart, suggesting that a bugeria/cameroon (say) match will out rate a richmond/cartlon match in Melbourne ?
finders
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ANY other code esp soccer is a rival and the AFL should ask FINA to cough up some of their lazy billions they have stacked away and would make from a world cup!
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" otherwise you can become the slave of others.
To quote you "LOL, just LOL". Of course the AFL is a major competition & would be regarded as such by FIFA. It has been the main reason why soccer has been unable to gain any leverage in Australia, despite extremely high levels of participation at junior level & the significant rise in the Socceroos' world ranking.
Tell us what you think the rationale would be behind awarding the staging of the World Cup tournament to Australia, bearing in mind the logistics in assembling the teams in Australia (the tyranny of distance), the same issue for spectators from Europe & South America & of course the time zone difference, which would see afternoon games being broadcast early morning into Europe or night games being broadcast during the middle of the working day in Europe. For South America, read late at night, early hours of the morning.
FIFA would only award staging of the tournament to Australia with a view to growing the game of soccer in Australia. That makes it a direct competitor of the AFL & the NRL & therefore FIFA deserve no favours from either body. I just hope whichever colour of Government considers bidding for the World Cup looks beyond the one-off spike in tourism & one-off boost to the overall economy & sees how much revenue the AFL & NRL generate for the economy, every single year, not just once & takes this into account when determining whether they want to get these bodies & their supporters off-side (no pun intended).
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do u know if FIFA count AFL as a major competition, or what it sees is a major competition? Is the AFL a major INTERNATIONAL sporting event? no on both counts. The MBL(baseball) in the states did not discontinue their season during the 94 world cup, and i doubt the Japan baseball did either.(or they still had their season).
and you only counting the fans of Europe and south America. I could say that south Africa is really inconvenient for Asian fans. As Jack Warner(a FIFA dude if u dont know) said, distance is only relative to where you are traveling from, as the world is round, or something like that. and Asia is a very big, populace place.
And the only reason AFL helps the economy is because it is the most popular sport in the country. If football/soccer was the most popular sport in this country, then it would create a similar boost. Interesting you say one-off boost, as that is what the world cup is, a one off, unique event. The AFL will see go on way past the world cup with better sporting grounds and infrastructure out of it.
and you only counting the fans of Europe and south America. I could say that south Africa is really inconvenient for Asian fans. As Jack Warner(a FIFA dude if u dont know) said, distance is only relative to where you are traveling from, as the world is round, or something like that. and Asia is a very big, populace place.
And the only reason AFL helps the economy is because it is the most popular sport in the country. If football/soccer was the most popular sport in this country, then it would create a similar boost. Interesting you say one-off boost, as that is what the world cup is, a one off, unique event. The AFL will see go on way past the world cup with better sporting grounds and infrastructure out of it.
And what capacity did the bandminton have? Are you saying Sydney will sell out ANZ stadium for a game between two light weight nations not going to progress past the first stage?
There is no confirmation anywhere that it will be any stop at all. There may be some venues unavailable and the season may have to be slowed, but there is no evidence, except by journalists who are intentionally trying to stir people up to sell newspapers, that the entire season will have to stop.
If the A-League ran over June-July I'm sure they would have no problem stopping. For example, Australia will be hosting the Asian Cup in 2015. The Asian Cup actually has two available timeslots, either January or July (due to the high number of Asian nations which suffer unbearable heat in July). Australia will be playing in January 2015 - and the A-League will be stopping for it.
Due to the larger number of nations involved, the World Cup doesn't have this option. The existing schedules of all the different nations are just too tight.
Well if you had any say in the matter, then you get your way.
But the Government want the Cup. They will not be asking for your opinion. So therefore the question becomes...what is the AFL going to do. Accomodate the Cup or try and block it??
THis is not a question of whether you want the cup or not. We will bid regardless of your view. So if we get it, the AFL should not get in the way.
The Asian television market is the biggest one for the World Cup. The 2002 Korea/Japan WC was more profitable than the 2006 Germany WC in this regard.
These were the cumulative TV audiences for the 2006 WC:
1. China – 4.0 billion
2. Nigeria - 1.9 billion
3. Brazil – 1.7 billion
4. Germany – 1.1 billion
5. Japan – 1.0 billion
6. Indonesia – 860 million
7. Vietnam – 781 million
8. Argentina – 730 million
9. Egypt – 705 million
10. Italy – 622 million
That's why FIFA is keen for a nation in our timezone to host.
Just working on total populations, the Chinese watched 2 games, compared to the Nigerians watching 13 games, Brazilians 10 games, Germans 14 games, Japanese 8 games, Indonesians 4 games, Argentinians 18 games. Even if you were bothered to break it down to number of television sets switched on to the World Cup, it is clear the interest in the World Cup in Asia is significantly less than in Europe & South America. Interesting to note the second most populous country in the world (India) did not make the top 10.
I don't want to know what "bending over" entails then.
FIFA won't have a say. It's up to FFA to negotiate with the AFL. Perhaps they've assumed too much.
Case in point.
mickctiger
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well they better be prepaired to open their tax-payer check book out to compensate both the domestic leagues who are being asked to effectively forego their season
they will be asking for my vote at some stage though
no the question is how much does the government expect to gain for Australia over the long term, considering the inevitable ongoing cost to the tax-payer that staging the event will have, and given that both the AFL and NRL provide a significant input into the economy on a yearly basis. so the question now boils down to how much does the government want it
you just said that, and as I said in responce, it may not matter what I want, but my vote matters to the government
we might bid regardless, but only while its Politically expedient to do so, FIFA impose on the bidding nation make it impossibile for Australia to realistically hold the comp, without significant sacrifice made from some of our largest organisations, then it might not go ahead
now your starting to sound like a petulant child, already shaping to blame the AFL if Australia's bid is Unsuccessful. Rather then blame the euro-centric and myopic FIFA who's impositions on the host country might actually make it impossible for a country like Australia to hold a world cup
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As I said earlier, don't paint the AFL (nor the NRL for that matter) as the stumbling blocks in all of this.
It is FIFA which has put the blatantly anti-competitive requirements in place, not the AFL or NRL.
Neither the AFL nor the NRL should be required to savagely disrupt their season just to keep a competitor happy.
And they most certainly shouldn't be expected to compromise to such a large extent if FIFA won't reciprocate.
If the government wants the World Cup so badly, then the onus is on them to sort out an arrangement to the satisfaction of all parties.
Bam!! That's it. I'm happy to support any code. I love sport. The government/FFA want to disrupt AFL/NRL/Super 15 for the benefit of soccer, because almighty and conquering FIFA can't handle working out a solution that profits all. Southern Hemisphere summer world cup, An extended Christmas break for soccer, cricket fixture worked around it.
Seeing as our mate Cruddy Ruddy wants the Soccer Cup so much and he likes paying punters with bribes I think he should pay every member of an AFL team $900.00. That way those inconvenienced by the soccer cup can get some compensation.
Every AFL club should also be compensated to the tune of at least 50 million dollars. Done deal -then I am all for the world cup.
As Tom Cruise said " Show me the money " ......and then you can have your matches. If the federal govt isn't willing to show the money then the AFL should take alternative action.
Another solution is the AFL try to push forward its ownership of Docklands and play the footy at Docklands. If they own the stadium then surely the federal govt can force them to close down? They can play the soccer at MCG and footy at Docklands - yet still compensate each AFL club at least 50 million...make it 100 million as Rudd likes to splash around other people's money so much.
Every AFL club should also be compensated to the tune of at least 50 million dollars. Done deal -then I am all for the world cup.
As Tom Cruise said " Show me the money " ......and then you can have your matches. If the federal govt isn't willing to show the money then the AFL should take alternative action.
Another solution is the AFL try to push forward its ownership of Docklands and play the footy at Docklands. If they own the stadium then surely the federal govt can force them to close down? They can play the soccer at MCG and footy at Docklands - yet still compensate each AFL club at least 50 million...make it 100 million as Rudd likes to splash around other people's money so much.
Remember, Major League Baseball was allowed to continue to be played in the USA in 1994, so I'm sure AFL matches could still be played in cities hosting World Cup matches so long as they're not as the actual grounds being used.
Now, suppose an agreement is reached where the venue limitations are for 8 weeks.
The AFL has an 18-team competition, with 9 games per week normally. Over those 8 weeks, 54 AFL games are scheduled (6,6,6,6,6,6,10 and 8 per week over those eight weeks.) That means every team has 3 byes.
That means it becomes a 25 week season where everyone plays 22 games.
Now surely Telsra Dome would be available as the tournament nears its end. Any big games in Melbourne (quarter-finals, semi-final, or Final) would be at the MCG. The Dome would only be used for group matches, surely.
But putting that aside, we need to find grounds for 54 games over those 8 weeks.
- 5 at Kardinia Park (which is the maximum remembering Geelong, like all teams, has 3 byes)
- 2 at Darwin (One Dogs home game, one Melbourne home game)
- Two at Canberra (say, a Kangaroos home game and Dogs/Dees home game)
- 10 at the SCG (5 home games for GWS and 5 for the Swans.) The SCG is not a world cup venue.
- 5 at Cararra and 5 on the Gold Coast (5 home games for Bris and 5 for the Gold Coast) Surely Suncorp would be the World Cup venue in Brisbane. The World Cup decrees venues have to hold more than 40,000.
- 4 at Launceston (Hawthorn's 4 home games)
- 10 at AAMI or Adelaide Oval (5 home games each for Port and the Crows.) Where would Adelaide World Cup gams be held? A newly built venue?
- 10 at Subiaco ( 5 home games for the Eagles and 5 for Fremantle.) I assume Subi would not be used for World Cup games? Would a new venue be built.
That's 53 games. One game at the Dome after it has ceased being used after the group stage makes 54. In fact, the Dome could probably host 4-5 games after that group stage finishes.
We would have the unusual situation of both Sydney teams having home games in the same round. Same with bribane, Perth and Adelaide, but so what? The most important thing is to get the games scheduled.
It can certainly be done with a bit of creative fixturing and it can be done with the existing venues.
It just means the Victorian venues are maximised during the early part of the season and the later part of the season.
In fact, if the Dome ceases to be used for the last two weeks of the World Cup (after the group stage) you could cram in 4 matches per week at the Dome on Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon for the last two weeks of the World cup tournament making it 8 games at the Dome.
Now, suppose an agreement is reached where the venue limitations are for 8 weeks.
The AFL has an 18-team competition, with 9 games per week normally. Over those 8 weeks, 54 AFL games are scheduled (6,6,6,6,6,6,10 and 8 per week over those eight weeks.) That means every team has 3 byes.
That means it becomes a 25 week season where everyone plays 22 games.
Now surely Telsra Dome would be available as the tournament nears its end. Any big games in Melbourne (quarter-finals, semi-final, or Final) would be at the MCG. The Dome would only be used for group matches, surely.
But putting that aside, we need to find grounds for 54 games over those 8 weeks.
- 5 at Kardinia Park (which is the maximum remembering Geelong, like all teams, has 3 byes)
- 2 at Darwin (One Dogs home game, one Melbourne home game)
- Two at Canberra (say, a Kangaroos home game and Dogs/Dees home game)
- 10 at the SCG (5 home games for GWS and 5 for the Swans.) The SCG is not a world cup venue.
- 5 at Cararra and 5 on the Gold Coast (5 home games for Bris and 5 for the Gold Coast) Surely Suncorp would be the World Cup venue in Brisbane. The World Cup decrees venues have to hold more than 40,000.
- 4 at Launceston (Hawthorn's 4 home games)
- 10 at AAMI or Adelaide Oval (5 home games each for Port and the Crows.) Where would Adelaide World Cup gams be held? A newly built venue?
- 10 at Subiaco ( 5 home games for the Eagles and 5 for Fremantle.) I assume Subi would not be used for World Cup games? Would a new venue be built.
That's 53 games. One game at the Dome after it has ceased being used after the group stage makes 54. In fact, the Dome could probably host 4-5 games after that group stage finishes.
We would have the unusual situation of both Sydney teams having home games in the same round. Same with bribane, Perth and Adelaide, but so what? The most important thing is to get the games scheduled.
It can certainly be done with a bit of creative fixturing and it can be done with the existing venues.
It just means the Victorian venues are maximised during the early part of the season and the later part of the season.
In fact, if the Dome ceases to be used for the last two weeks of the World Cup (after the group stage) you could cram in 4 matches per week at the Dome on Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon for the last two weeks of the World cup tournament making it 8 games at the Dome.
I think this is the point - and you have it wrong. I doubt very much that 90% of Australian want it, I suggest that 50% couldnt care less and anothr healthy percentage feel like many of us here that its not something we should have to prostitute ourselves to have according to the rule of this self-important foreign code.
Its not about not understanding that Soccer is the 'world game' its about having enough self-respect to say that - Hey, you know what? Our indiginous, national game IS important to US and we really dont like the idea of it just being pushed aside and treated as if it has no choice, or patronised that is has 'nothing to lose.' The cultural cringe is a thing of the past: our game is more important than soccer because in Australia our game is more important than soccer.
and might I add, I am far more interested in Richmond winning its 11th premiership than Australia winning the world cup in Soccer..... and the way things are going 2018 is probably going to be our first finals between then and now, so the timing is all wrong anyway.
Whether FIFA actually counted the AFL as a major competition is immaterial, considering that at least 2/3 of the AFL's games are played on venues that will be off limits for 2 months mid-season. Even if FIFA didn't ban the AFL from playing, the AFL are still locked out of over 2/3 of their games so the practical effect is the same.
Not at all, the AFL's contract with the stadiums is not exclusive. Soccer, rugby union and rugby league have continued to access the stadiums during AFL's season. There'd be no issues with the soccer World Cup using the stadiums, except that they want the other sports out.
I'm not a lawyer, but to me the World Cup locking other sports out would appear to be more likely to be an anti-competitive breach of the Trade Practices Act.
mickctiger
Club Legend
you've captured my sentiments exactly. I don't despise soccer as such, Its just that it holds no interest me. I love Australian Football, I grew up with the games culture and it means something to me. I don't object Australia hosting a World Cup. What I do object to, however, is the patronising attitude that says, that we should just put up with major disruption for a "world" sport that only a minority of Australians have any passion for, and with no real recompense , other than condescending platitudes along the lines of "we should be privileged to hold the event". I also find the attitude of Soccer fans on this somewhat offensive, if you profess a indifference to their "world" game, you get labels like "redneck" or "insular" or "narrow minded" thrown at you. You get lectured on how you will "just have to put up with" a 12 week disruption to your sport, because some how hosting a world cup will "put Australia on the map" (as if it already weren't?). The Idea that it might be logistically too much to ask of the AFL or NRL to hold the World Cup during their seasons is met with hysterical and childish cries of how dare the AFL stand in the way of the World Cup, already throwing the blame on us, rather than a Myopic and Euro-Centric FIFA should our Bid prove unsuccessful
fk the world cup couldn't care less about it, and i played soccer as a teen.
But when it comes in the way of the sport i love and #1 sporting code in this country it can go fk itself.
So i agree No, Just no world cup in AUS.
Fifa can either work around the schedule of our codes or they can piss off as far as I'm concerned.
If soccer is bigger in the nortern states than AFL, take the WC up there,
that way we can have the WC and play AFL at the same time.
However I don't think the rugby supporters would be to happy though.
