News AFL to overhaul the draft, discuss changes to Academy and FS bid matching

[giantroo]

 

[GC2015]

I’ve always liked the Tigers.

Fair to say this will be one of the last times we'll see a trade like this taking place. Using several third rounders to match a top 2 bid won't be possible from next year onward.

 

[sr36]

Fair to say this will be one of the last times we'll see a trade like this taking place. Using several third rounders to match a top 2 bid won't be possible from next year onward.

It shifts the range of matching picks. At the moment it's picks in the 40s, it'll shift to picks in the late 20s and 30s.

2nd round picks will become more valuable in trade and because a lot of them will disappear in matching, early 3rd round picks will move up and become more valuable in the draft.

 

[sydney_gws]

It shifts the range of matching picks. At the moment it's picks in the 40s, it'll shift to picks in the late 20s and 30s.

2nd round picks will become more valuable in trade and because a lot of them will disappear in matching, early 3rd round picks will move up and become more valuable in the draft.

They should shift them higher by limiting the number of picks to match to 3 in my view.
Anyway, time will tell. It might only be 2 years in that everybody is complaining the new system is being exploited in some way.

 

[Dr Tigris]

They should shift them higher by limiting the number of picks to match to 3 in my view.
Anyway, time will tell. It might only be 2 years in that everybody is complaining the new system is being exploited in some way.

Next year I'd guess before they realise the system isn't foolproof.

All this'll do is make round 2 picks worth more IMHO. Some years this will make third rounders more useful in the draft. So strategic trades might change in content a bit.

 

[GC2015]

Next year I'd guess before they realise the system isn't foolproof.

All this'll do is make round 2 picks worth more IMHO. Some years this will make third rounders more useful in the draft. So strategic trades might change in content a bit.

Also, being able to trade two years into the future is going to change the dynamics of the trade period. It really opens the door for teams to use future assets should they feel its necessary. No doubt we'll eventually see a team demand 3x first round picks over three years for a star player and there will be a club willing to mortgage their future to do it.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Also, being able to trade two years into the future is going to change the dynamics of the trade period. It really opens the door for teams to use future assets should they feel its necessary. No doubt we'll eventually see a team demand 3x first round picks over three years for a star player and there will be a club willing to mortgage their future to do it.

It'll certainly allow teams to play much more sophisticated, or stupid, games with their draft picks.

I can imagine a team paying 3 firsts for an A grader and their salary to get that premiership. get it right - heros. get it wrong and ... off the cliff.

 

[Obeanie1]

I'm still not sure what your problem is then.

You said earlier that the WA teams need to sleep with their own blankies more, this solutions just exacerbates that problem

Half the flight time.

Thats the issue.

If you dont get that then you havent been paying attension much.

 

[WilloTree]

AFL micromanaging clubs to get father/sons is entirely unnecessary.

Clubs can have father/sons without the mess that is currently points, bids, matching etc etc.

If you want a bloke...draft him.

It's just so simple it stuns me we still even have this conversation.

 

[TheTassieHawk]

They should shift them higher by limiting the number of picks to match to 3 in my view.
Anyway, time will tell. It might only be 2 years in that everybody is complaining the new system is being exploited in some way.

2 picks is enough on my view regardless of what points system is being used.

 

[danster168]

AFL micromanaging clubs to get father/sons is entirely unnecessary.

Clubs can have father/sons without the mess that is currently points, bids, matching etc etc.

If you want a bloke...draft him.

It's just so simple it stuns me we still even have this conversation.

100%. The idea that you get access to a player you haven't earned is a joke. Getting that player at a discount is a further joke. Until the AFL fixes the mess we can't take an unfair competition seriously.

 

[GC2015]

100%. The idea that you get access to a player you haven't earned is a joke. Getting that player at a discount is a further joke. Until the AFL fixes the mess we can't take an unfair competition seriously.

How do you earn a player? Finish low on the ladder? Spend 5+ years developing them in your academy?

Objectively, F/S does seem the least deserving of the three avenues. Take Will Ashcroft for example. He was in the Suns Academy between ages 10-14 and during that time was developed into an U15 AA player as a bottom ager. Then he heads to Melbourne to attend Brighton Grammar / play for Sandringham where he goes through the APS + NAB League pathway like most Vic kids.

They further develop him into an All Australian at both the U16 & U18 levels. The Lions got permission to have him participate in a few training camps and three VFL games, but they were largely uninvolved in his development from 10-18 years of age. Were West Coast / North Melbourne and/or Gold Coast more deserving of Ashcroft's services because of their ladder position / development investment?

F/S is a unique part of our game and provides supporters with a sense of romanticism that connects them to the club generationally. I can only imagine the thrill Geelong supporters got from watching Gary Ablett Sr dominating in the hoops and then just five years after his retirement they draft Gary Ablett Jr, who goes on to win premierships and a Brownlow with the Cats. For that reason, it's not going anywhere and that's coming from a supporter that hasn't had a single F/S pick in our 15 year history and probably won't for another 10+ years. It's clearly not fair, but the AFL has proven many times that they are okay with unfair outcomes if it serves an intended purpose.

 

[danster168]

How do you earn a player? Finish low on the ladder? Spend 5+ years developing them in your academy?

Objectively, F/S does seem the least deserving of the three avenues. Take Will Ashcroft for example. He was in the Suns Academy between ages 10-14 and during that time was developed into an U15 AA player as a bottom ager. Then he heads to Melbourne to attend Brighton Grammar / play for Sandringham where he goes through the APS + NAB League pathway like most Vic kids.

They further develop him into an All Australian at both the U16 & U18 levels. The Lions got permission to have him participate in a few training camps and three VFL games, but they were largely uninvolved in his development from 10-18 years of age. Were West Coast / North Melbourne and/or Gold Coast more deserving of Ashcroft's services because of their ladder position / development investment?

F/S is a unique part of our game and provides supporters with a sense of romanticism that connects them to the club generationally. I can only imagine the thrill Geelong supporters got from watching Gary Ablett Sr dominating in the hoops and then just five years after his retirement they draft Gary Ablett Jr, who goes on to win premierships and a Brownlow with the Cats. For that reason, it's not going anywhere and that's coming from a supporter that hasn't had a single F/S pick in our 15 year history and probably won't for another 10+ years. It's clearly not fair, but the AFL has proven many times that they are okay with unfair outcomes if it serves an intended purpose.

You earn a player by your ladder position. Regarding academies, it's a no from me. Abolish father/sons and academies completely. It's a joke that the competition has been decided by teams that have been the most benefited by these handouts. We've got a competition based off pure luck. It's embarrassing.

So yes, in your example the bottom teams deserve Ashcroft.

Yes, the F/S is unique because it's trash. Does anyone care that Daniher was winning grand finals for Brisbane? Or that Lachie Hunter played for Melbourne or that Tom Mitchell is at the pies? nup, no-one cares. Not even the players. Now, IF the father/son was to continue into the future, clubs that love the romance of having a father-son at their club should be paying overs for that privilege. Certainly not a bloody discount. If a club wants unfair access to a player they didn't deserve by ladder position then they should have like a 200% points weighting added on to protect the integrity of the competition.

In your example, Cats fans loved watching Gary Ablett Jnr because he was a great player. Did the Cats fans love watching Nathan Ablett? No. I can guarantee that the Dees fans would've loved watching Gary Ablett Junior play in the red and blue just as much. The idea of romance in a professional competition is embarrassingly amateur and unfair but yes, unique.

You said it yourself 'it's clearly not fair'. I care about the integrity of the competition more than anything. Do I care that Taj Woewodin is at the dees? I couldn't care less.

 

[WilloTree]

How do you earn a player? Finish low on the ladder? Spend 5+ years developing them in your academy?

Objectively, F/S does seem the least deserving of the three avenues. Take Will Ashcroft for example. He was in the Suns Academy between ages 10-14 and during that time was developed into an U15 AA player as a bottom ager. Then he heads to Melbourne to attend Brighton Grammar / play for Sandringham where he goes through the APS + NAB League pathway like most Vic kids.

They further develop him into an All Australian at both the U16 & U18 levels. The Lions got permission to have him participate in a few training camps and three VFL games, but they were largely uninvolved in his development from 10-18 years of age. Were West Coast / North Melbourne and/or Gold Coast more deserving of Ashcroft's services because of their ladder position / development investment?

F/S is a unique part of our game and provides supporters with a sense of romanticism that connects them to the club generationally. I can only imagine the thrill Geelong supporters got from watching Gary Ablett Sr dominating in the hoops and then just five years after his retirement they draft Gary Ablett Jr, who goes on to win premierships and a Brownlow with the Cats. For that reason, it's not going anywhere and that's coming from a supporter that hasn't had a single F/S pick in our 15 year history and probably won't for another 10+ years. It's clearly not fair, but the AFL has proven many times that they are okay with unfair outcomes if it serves an intended purpose.

Oh, I'm all for the romanticism of clubs drafting or trading in father/sons. Don't get me wrong. There's just no need for an additional rule for it when there is already a fair mechanism to do it.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

At best Father Sons should come with a 25% tax not a discount. If the clubs actually think it’s important then they can still get them.