Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency X - Club has elected not to fill list spot - Davey returning from injury?

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[Donakebab]

With the Doggies becoming a complete rabble, can we coax some talent over to our rabble?

 

[ant555]

Can we actually rebuild rather than looking for a short term fix.

 

[TheDinosaur]

Can we actually rebuild rather than looking for a short term fix.

Nah


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[Zach Package]

Can we actually rebuild rather than looking for a short term fix.

I’m not opposed to bringing in established players if they can be an exemplar in how we want to play. Must tick all the boxes though.

Priority this year would be take our picks and hit the draft but if the talk is that we have lots of cash to spend the only thing I’m spending it on is absorbing contacts other clubs don’t want in exchange for draft picks in return ala Brodie or MacPherson (which didn’t end up happening).

All this talk of us going after De Goey makes me sick for a volume of reasons.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Good list management is much more nuanced than "HiT tHe DrAfT". All options should be assessed on individual merit to improve the list. Being idealistic won't help our situation.

 

[ant555]

Good list management is much more nuanced than "HiT tHe DrAfT". All options should be assessed on individual merit to improve the list. Being idealistic won't help our situation.

Who said hit the draft ?

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Who said hit the draft ?

That's the usual rhetoric from anyone from who opposes at looking at talent from other clubs.

 

[ant555]

That's the usual rhetoric from anyone from who opposes at looking at talent from other clubs.

Where did I oppose it ?
Just a lot of discussion about average options from other clubs going on.
We need to draft and be smart about who we are bringing in and not just chase anything that is available.

 

[84859300]

Can we actually rebuild rather than looking for a short term fix.

When was the last time we've developed an out and out champ?

I don't thiunk we have the ability to do this, right now. I'd be looking outside of the club for talent.

 

[ant555]

When was the last time we've developed an out and out champ?

I don't thiunk we have the ability to do this, right now. I'd be looking outside of the club for talent.

Well I would not be saying and out and out champ is a short term fix. Not many out and out champs being discussed.

 

[foj1]

Can we actually rebuild rather than looking for a short term fix.

The last 20 years and the person who is currently employed as our list mismanager would suggest the answer is no.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Where did I oppose it ?
Just a lot of discussion about average options from other clubs going on.
We need to draft and be smart about who we are bringing in and not just chase anything that is available.

Well someone suggested bringing in talent and you replied with "Can we actually rebuild rather than looking for a short term fix?". That sounded very much like you opposed the idea.

Ultimately we need to bring in talent that compliments our existing talent and demographics. Whether that is through trade or draft is frankly irrelevant. It's all about the end result.

 

[ant555]

Well someone suggested bringing in talent and you replied with "Can we actually rebuild rather than looking for a short term fix?". That sounded very much like you opposed the idea.

Ultimately we need to bring in talent that compliments our existing talent and demographics. Whether that is through trade or draft is frankly irrelevant. It's all about the end result.

Apart from Brayshaw what good talent is being discussed ?
There are not a lot of list spots available unless we are going to start talking trading out contracted players.
Like I said. Rebuild rather than a Jordan De Goey short term fix.
Not sure how many times I have said building the list involves drafting trading and free agents but I will say it one more time just for you.
We need to draft at the top end , be smart about trades and add the finishing touches with good free agents that fill needs.
Another tip. This is not going to be a short term process.

 

[ghostdog]

I would not be against bringing in leadership values and experience; Hodge to Brisbane was great for their young players. Someone who could come in and help drive standards. Someone mentioned a player like Callan Ward

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Callan Ward

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34

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187cm

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83kg

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3.8

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4.3

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17.8

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9.0

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[ant555]

I would not be against bringing in leadership values and experience; Hodge to Brisbane was great for their young players. Someone who could come in and help drive standards. Someone mentioned a player like Callan Ward.

Brisbane where a fair way into their rebuild before they made the Hodge move.

 

[ghostdog]

Brisbane where a fair way into their rebuild before they made the Hodge move.

How far in do we have to be? Last week our leaders were mostly appalling.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Apart from Brayshaw what good talent is being discussed ?
There are not a lot of list spots available unless we are going to start talking trading out contracted players.
Like I said. Rebuild rather than a Jordan De Goey short term fix.
Not sure how many times I have said building the list involves drafting trading and free agents but I will say it one more time just for you.
We need to draft at the top end , be smart about trades and add the finishing touches with good free agents that fill needs.
Another tip. This is not going to be a short term process.

Someone said to have a look at the Bulldogs and not even a specific player, and you instantly dismissed the idea. It wasn't even concerning an individual player.

Anything is possible regarding list spots. That is purely speculation especially with so long to go before the trade/draft period. If we identify a player that we like - are we seriously going to be hamstrung by X amount of list spots? If we need to cut or trade someone, even on deadline like Coyler, I'd suggest we'd make it happen.

We can take in a JDG/Brayshaw etc and still hit the draft. Remember - we are trying to improve our list for the future RFA's generally are at the age where they still have a lot of good football ahead of them. There's no set strategy like the one you pondered which I think is the point you're missing.

Who said it will or won't be a short process? Another strawman....

 

[ant555]

How far in do we have to be? Last week our leaders were mostly appalling.

If your happy to get a bloke for 2 years that's fine. Does not really float my boat. If we bring in someone and they struggle to fill a roolle as well then we are no further than where we are now. Ward is a hard nut and a good player but he has had issues staying on the field in the last 3 years and to top it of GWS seem to suffer from players unable to play consistent footy as much as we do. I question their leadership and team footy nearly as much as ours at times.

 

[ant555]

Someone said to have a look at the Bulldogs and not even a specific player, and you instantly dismissed the idea. It wasn't even concerning an individual player.

Anything is possible regarding list spots. That is purely speculation especially with so long to go before the trade/draft period. If we identify a player that we like - are we seriously going to be hamstrung by X amount of list spots? If we need to cut or trade someone, even on deadline like Coyler, I'd suggest we'd make it happen.

We can take in a JDG/Brayshaw etc and still hit the draft. Remember - we are trying to improve our list for the future RFA's generally are at the age where they still have a lot of good football ahead of them. There's no set strategy like the one you pondered which I think is the point you're missing.

Who said it will or won't be a short process? Another strawman....

That's it chump get personal again
All I am doing is challenging a few ideas. Not insulting anyone.
Melbourne. Richmond . Hawthorn. All built premiership sides on the back of super stars from the top end of the draft. Good players via trade and free agency.

 

[foj1]

Bailey smith

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Bailey Smith

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24

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185cm

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86kg

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19.8

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1.8

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2.0

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would be my target- worth 900,000 a year I reckon
he would be a dream for our marketing department
would likely miss out and then have another crack at Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

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27

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191cm

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87kg

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21.8

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3.2

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20.7

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7.0

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13.7

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2.3

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5.3

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2.7

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14.2

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7.2

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4.8

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4.0

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1.4

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I think you would get him with one first round draft pick- perhaps our 2023 first round pick
we should put the salary cap squeeze on the doggies
a dream result for me would be lose Heppell, Hurley to clear more salary cap space
have a red hot go at brayshaw and smith/ Dunkley
if we could go into 2023 with brayshaw, Dunkley and two Davey boys and perhaps 2022 first round pick it would refresh the list even more

 

[Schnitzengruben]

That's it chump get personal again
All I am doing is challenging a few ideas. Not insulting anyone.

How is what I said personal or insulting? Seems like you're the one being insulting.

I'm merely pointing out the facts - good list management is about being fluid and building the best team possible, not being stuck with a pre-defined hypothetical blueprint to success

 

[ant555]

How is what I said personal or insulting? Seems like you're the one being insulting.

I'm merely pointing out the facts - good list management is about being fluid and building the best team possible, not being stuck with a pre-defined hypothetical blueprint to success

Strawman - a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
Not an insult ?

Like I said all I was doing was challenging a few ideas without bringing anything else into it.

And I will say again. In the last 10 years 10 premiership sides have come out good top end picks , smart trading and good free agents. It is not some sort of pre defined hypothetical.

 

[TheGrizz]

Leave the personal stuff out thanks.

 

[Booplaz]

With the Doggies becoming a complete rabble, can we coax some talent over to our rabble?

Put whatever Heppell is on to Bailey Dale. Turn a liability into an All Australian.

 

[foj1]

i think the strawman use is confusing and is easily construed as playing the man not the ball
move on I reckon as there is plenty to debate/ discuss