Women's Footy AFLW Season 2024

[DragoDelph]

It’s the same process as the men.

We aren’t inside and don’t know what else is happening.

I remember that moose’s appointment was widely criticised as well. These are professional athletes in a full time environment now, not some mean girls clique bullshit.

Let’s see what it looks like.

 

[ignoramus]

having played and coached the game. the ONFIELD on game day is critical. this is why a number of clubs play worse when Captain injured, luckily mens team played great in abscence of Alex PEarce. But it can be very different

Just feel for poor Miller who i thought was doing a good job in Fremantles rebuilding after losing so many of our players .

Ugh. The old "I've played and I've coached so I know better than others"...

I haven't played and I haven't coached. I have read a sh*t tonne of media though, and all the media and messaging coming from the club (if not the competition/profession more generally) signals a shift in mindset around captaincy, on-field leadership, etc., a shift away precisely from that attitude.

At any rate, I personally can't see how the act itself of not being named as captain actually, materially diminishes the leadership capabilities of that person. If it doesn't, then I also don't see how whoever is standing in as captain on the day will somehow be less effective than they would have been had they been named captain at the start of the season. Unless what you're saying is that e.g. Miller values personal recognition over team success, or that she's a bit of a petty person who won't put as much into on-field leadership because she was snubbed? That would sound to me like a very good reason not to nominate her as captain.

Miller is a f*cking awesome player and has been a fantastic captain. It's a surprise, no doubt, that Stannett was elected over her, but hardly the monumental f*ckup it's being projected as here.

 

[Raz]

It’s the same process as the men.

We aren’t inside and don’t know what else is happening.

I remember that moose’s appointment was widely criticised as well. These are professional athletes in a full time environment now, not some mean girls clique bullshit.

Let’s see what it looks like.

they are not full time yet. not paid enough to do that.

So perhsap it is MEAN GIRLS

I see no reason to choose an injirred palyer as your captain, unles you detested the curent one

 

[Raz]

Ugh. The old "I've played and I've coached so I know better than others"...

I haven't played and I haven't coached. I have read a sh*t tonne of media though, and all the media and messaging coming from the club (if not the competition/profession more generally) signals a shift in mindset around captaincy, on-field leadership, etc., a shift away precisely from that attitude.

At any rate, I personally can't see how the act itself of not being named as captain actually, materially diminishes the leadership capabilities of that person. If it doesn't, then I also don't see how whoever is standing in as captain on the day will somehow be less effective than they would have been had they been named captain at the start of the season. Unless what you're saying is that e.g. Miller values personal recognition over team success, or that she's a bit of a petty person who won't put as much into on-field leadership because she was snubbed? That would sound to me like a very good reason not to nominate her as captain.

Miller is a f*cking awesome player and has been a fantastic captain. It's a surprise, no doubt, that Stannett was elected over her, but hardly the monumental f*ckup it's being projected as here.Get Flo

wow. a personal attack ... i only mentioned my experience not to say i know all or am right but to say why i think the way i do,

I guess this is why internet is not a place to post opinions

 

[ignoramus]

I remember that moose’s appointment was widely criticised as well.

And not just at the announcement. For the majority of 2023 people banging on about how it was such a mistake to have Pearce as Captain (would be interesting to compare with the talk around Mundy's 2016). Now, all of a sudden he's a great captain, the perfect person to hold the post for a few years before Serong (sometimes Brayshaw) claims his rightful place.

 

[ignoramus]

wow. a personal attack ... i only mentioned my experience not to say i know all or am right but to say why i think the way i do,

I guess this is why internet is not a place to post opinions

Hardly personal. It relates to an argumentative strategy, but if you feel personally attacked by it, then I apologise.

 

[DragoDelph]

they are not full time yet. not paid enough to do that.

So perhsap it is MEAN GIRLS

I see no reason to choose an injirred palyer as your captain, unles you detested the curent one

Or if the incumbent was absent during off season and you didn’t feel connected to.

Or if the the incumbent seemed to struggle with the extra weight of captaincy.

Or if the incumbent was considering moving.

Or if the incumbent had a relationship with another player that were unable to separate from the leadership position.

Or if the new person actually is a better leader regardless of any other hypotheticals.

And they are full time. Sure it’s not the same sort of money as the men, and many will still choose to work other jobs as is their right, but it’s certainly a lot better than it was, with more increases to come

 

[DragoDelph]

Currently, AFLW clubs allocate its player payments based on four tiers. The majority use the same payment structure that sees two players on Tier 1 contracts, six players on Tier 2 deals, six players on Tier 3 contracts, and the rest on Tier 4.

The salary for Tier 4 contracts, the lowest of the four-tier system, is due to rise from $55,077 to $67,337 by 2025 as part of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. That figure will then increase to $70,030 in 2026 and then $72,373 by 2027.

 

[Raz]

Hardly personal. It relates to an argumentative strategy, but if you feel personally attacked by it, then I apologise.

i not here to argue or make others change their opinion so strategy doesnt enter my thoughts


interesting though that some think this.

 

[Raz]

Or if the incumbent was absent during off season and you didn’t feel connected to.

Or if the the incumbent seemed to struggle with the extra weight of captaincy.

Or if the incumbent was considering moving.

Or if the incumbent had a relationship with another player that were unable to separate from the leadership position.

Or if the new person actually is a better leader regardless of any other hypotheticals.

And they are full time. Sure it’s not the same sort of money as the men, and many will still choose to work other jobs as is their right, but it’s certainly a lot better than it was, with more increases to come

as far as i am aware they are nearly all part timers . needing approval from bosses to play games etc.

According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics the average earnings for full-time adults annual salary of approximately $98,000.

So until the average for AFLW is closer to the average australian they going to have to potentially keep working at regular job too

 

[pK75]

as far as i am aware they are nearly all part timers . needing approval from bosses to play games etc.

According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics the average earnings for full-time adults annual salary of approximately $98,000.

So until the average for AFLW is closer to the average australian they going to have to potentially keep working at regular job too

Now do average salary for a 20-30yo woman. I think you’ll find once you remove all the 50+ yo men in management positions the average is a lot lower than you think.

 

[Raz]

Now do average salary for a 20-30yo woman. I think you’ll find once you remove all the 50+ yo men in management positions the average is a lot lower than you think.

of course google is our firend here

The average female salary in Australia is $82,850 per year

so yes $16000 difference , but still far more than what is offered to AFLW players.

yes many people are low income in australia. but dont fool yourselves. you dont need to be a managment position to earn big dollars.

big industyry in australia pays big dollars.

lawyers. doctors. engineers all well represented with women now.

 

[Taylor]

You don't want to know what players who play for Australia get paid then...

AFLW when compared to other sports is way ahead.

It's still in the realm of needing a regular job, or having one because you can get ahead in life, but not in the same ball park as literal olympic sports. What were swimmers paid, the absolute top pay, $30k?

Basically every single woman athlete you've seen competing for Australia has been a nurse or something in the background.

 

[SoS12]

It should be pointed out the $55K which will increase to $72K in the next couple years is the MINIMUM and not the AVERAGE. For young women beginning their careers, they are earning quite well and that amount is improving quickly. It's not near the men's side but is a good start.

However, the short nature of the season does allow players to have their own career's outside of football if they wish. I'm sure plenty of players like Ange who does a lot of personal training have other commitments whether it is work or study outside of playing footy.

 

[pK75]

of course google is our firend here

The average female salary in Australia is $82,850 per year

so yes $16000 difference , but still far more than what is offered to AFLW players.

yes many people are low income in australia. but dont fool yourselves. you dont need to be a managment position to earn big dollars.

big industyry in australia pays big dollars.

lawyers. doctors. engineers all well represented with women now.

You missed the 20-30yo part of the equation

 

[Raz]

You missed the 20-30yo part of the equation

Missed nothing. To compare appl a with apples compare AFLW with AFLM .

 

[DragoDelph]

real good article from Gemma, gives a bit of context into the captaincy decision too.

The Freo flux: Behind the scenes at the new-look Dockers

There's been plenty of changes at Fremantle in recent times, but as Gemma Bastiani discovers, there is a sense of ease around the Dockers' program

www.afl.com.au

 

[freo_leo29]

real good article from Gemma, gives a bit of context into the captaincy decision too.

The Freo flux: Behind the scenes at the new-look Dockers

There's been plenty of changes at Fremantle in recent times, but as Gemma Bastiani discovers, there is a sense of ease around the Dockers' program

www.afl.com.au

Nothing in there that Stannett couldn't do on the sidelines as a part of the leadership group


Miller who will actually be out there gets a wrap for being a great on field leader, guess who will be on field this season


Still a dog shit decision no matter how they try and spin it

 

[arsesmart]

It is a really interesting crossroads the AFLW is at in moving towards fully professional pay scales etc.

Given the turbulent transition many have between full-time athlete and civvy world, this is prime territory for getting before and after samples to inform better approaches to that transition.

 

[SoS12]

Yeah, I'm not sure that article provides any good reasons for the shift in captaincy. Everyone should be pitching in as best they can off the field to help their teammates become better players but captaincy of an AFLW club is more entwined with on field leadership.

Regardless of the spin, it's a puzzling decision and I feel sorry for Hayley who looked to be doing a good job as skipper.

I'm not sure why Ange couldn't perform those roles as a vice captain or just a leader of the group but she sure can't perform most of the duties of a Captain this year.

 

[footyknut]

Unfortunately it’s typical of AFLW media who don’t ask any hard questions of clubs and just accept what they are told and put positive a positive spin on everything.
I’m looking forward to when they get serious about the comp and start analyzing it deeper like they do with the Matildas.
Unfortunately there was nothing in Bastiani’s (employed by the AFL) article that made me think we are getting back on the right track.
We’ve had two years of bad luck with injuries but I can’t see where our next crop of young stars are that we will need to challenge the top teams.

 

[pK75]

Unfortunately it’s typical of AFLW media who don’t ask any hard questions of clubs and just accept what they are told and put positive a positive spin on everything.
I’m looking forward to when they get serious about the comp and start analyzing it deeper like they do with the Matildas.
Unfortunately there was nothing in Bastiani’s (employed by the AFL) article that made me think we are getting back on the right track.
We’ve had two years of bad luck with injuries but I can’t see where our next crop of young stars are that we will need to challenge the top teams.

We just traded in a former number 1 draft pick and a seasoned full back to replace cuthbert, I’m willing to give the team 4-5 games before I make any decisions on how our recruiting has gone.

 

[ignoramus]

We just traded in a former number 1 draft pick and a seasoned full back to replace cuthbert, I’m willing to give the team 4-5 games before I make any decisions on how our recruiting has gone.

If anything, I'm reluctantly embracing the fact that we we're unlikely to do badly enough to secure Zippy Fish.

 

[ImperialPurple]

If anything, I'm reluctantly embracing the fact that we we're unlikely to do badly enough to secure Zippy Fish.

Hopefully she’ll be off to a basket case somewhere ‘over there’ and not to the basket case up the road. After Ella Roberts I could handle that scenario far better.

 

[Raz]

we an only dream of the ladies doing well

Still saddened by Millers demise as captain as she was my favourite in current team

But seems she was too quiet and led by example rather than using words enough

some folk like to be spoke to more so it is what it is

Go Girls . LEts do it !