Same season, not one AA rep from the premiers either.
Musta been a great selection panel ;-)
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All Australian Midfields 1991-2007
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Same season, not one AA rep from the premiers either.
Musta been a great selection panel ;-)
Biggest surprise in that list is that Essendons greatest ever player (apologies to Coleman) NEVER made the AA midfield.
Must have always been in as a forward....
Must have always been in as a forward....
2001 looks the best for me.
My best combo assuming all are at the top of their game
C: Matera Williams Buckley
F: Cox Judd Koutoufides
Wing - apologies Mcleod, Aker, Long
Centre - no apologies, Williams is the best centreman I've seen
Ruck - apologies Rehn, Primus
RR/Rover - apologies Harvey, Cousins, Black
My best combo assuming all are at the top of their game
C: Matera Williams Buckley
F: Cox Judd Koutoufides
Wing - apologies Mcleod, Aker, Long
Centre - no apologies, Williams is the best centreman I've seen
Ruck - apologies Rehn, Primus
RR/Rover - apologies Harvey, Cousins, Black
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Similar vein, that Voss is only in once
where R.Harvey is in 6 times, Buckley in 5 times
yet people put Voss on some pedastal as a better player than them??
R.Harvey and Buckley the best midfielders of recent times
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lol..now thats weird
So not even one Hawthorn player made AA in 1991 ?
2003's the worst- goodes as a ruckman
and peter bell in the centre...top notch
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Been here a cpl of days have u ?...couldnt wait any longer before trying for your training wheels as an amateur troll ?
Yes its difficult to imagine how a Brownlow Medal winning ruckman that yr might be named as the AA ruckman. Bizzaarree isnt it moron
Yes its difficult to imagine how a Brownlow Medal winning ruckman that yr might be named as the AA ruckman. Bizzaarree isnt it moron
Agree with most that 2001 is hard to top.
And that just highlights that Harvey is the forgotten man from the past 20 years. Arguably the best footballer of the lot, but gets left out when people talk about Hird, Buckley, Carey, Koutoufides, Judd et al. But in his prime he was a phenomenon - broke packs like Judd and was able to gut-run like no-one I've ever seen. And phenomenal consistency. If he had played in a premiership or suited up for one of the 'big 3' Victorian teams instead of St Kilda I reckon we'd rate him as the best midfielder of the last 20 years...
And that just highlights that Harvey is the forgotten man from the past 20 years. Arguably the best footballer of the lot, but gets left out when people talk about Hird, Buckley, Carey, Koutoufides, Judd et al. But in his prime he was a phenomenon - broke packs like Judd and was able to gut-run like no-one I've ever seen. And phenomenal consistency. If he had played in a premiership or suited up for one of the 'big 3' Victorian teams instead of St Kilda I reckon we'd rate him as the best midfielder of the last 20 years...
From 91 onwards Harvey is the best midfielder, closely followed by Bucks.
Those two were the most consistently brilliant players going around.
AA midfield gongs, brownlow votes, club bnf's all point to Harvey and Buckley being the best two.
The fact that their respective teams were as a rule usually ordinary and they didn't have team success is for some reason used as a reason why people rate them lower as individual players.
I do closely or equaled by bucks...just very different styles
I do closely or equaled by bucks...just very different styles
Yes - but you are a St Kilda supporter. Most would rate Hird, Buckley, Voss, Ricciuto, Judd, and possibly Koutoufides higher. Harvey is almost the forgotten man of that group and certainly belongs in their company
Most people are sheep!
91-07 - times in AA midfield
Harvey 6
Buckley 5
Hird 0
Voss 1
Roo 1
Kouta 1
Judd 2
Harvey and Buckley are easily the best 2 MIDFIELDERS from 91-07
That's probably spot on, consistency wise, but other players have had higher highs and niether of those two helped their team to a flag.
Harvey No Flag
Buckley No Flag
Hird Flags
Voss Flags
Roo Flag
Kouta Flag
Judd Flag
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Heres how I rated them out of 5
5
1995
C: N Winmar...P Couch...M Long
Foll: J Madden, R Harvey, C Bradley
Not much more you could ask for in your on ball division with this lot. Ruck dominance, your inside and outside game is covered, and you're looking at 5 of the most skilled footballers to play the game.
2001
C: J Akermanis...B Ratten...N Buckley
Foll: M Primus, S Black, A McLeod
Very similar to 1995. I think Justin Madden was just a shade better at the hitouts than Primus, but still a 5 also.
2006
C: S Goodwin...S West...A Goodes
Foll: B Lade, C Judd, B Cousins
Won't see too many more decorated lineups than this, with Lade also a dangerous forward option.
4.5
1992
C: D Kemp...D Jarman...M McGuane
Foll: S Wynd, C McDermott, J Platten
3 Hall of Famers in there, and the Brownlow Medalist. All six players won club best and fairests.
1997
C: A Jones...C Bradley...N Buckley
Foll: P Salmon, R Harvey, N Burke
Aussie Jones not quite in the class of the others, but still good enuff to make another AA appearance in 2004 as a backman.
2004
C: C Judd...S Black...N Lappin
Foll: J White, M Ricciuto, S West
Jeff White sticks out like dogs balls in this lot.
4
I'll highlight the player/s i think just put these lineups a notch below the others. That's not to say they weren't good players who didn't deserve to be there. I'm sure you all know what I mean.
1991
C: C Mainwaring...P Couch...P Matera
Foll: J Stynes, M Bairstow, B Mitchell
1994
C: S Tingay...G Williams...P Matera
Foll: S Rehn, R Harvey, G Hocking
1996
C: Mainwaring...P Kelly...S Crawford
Foll: C McKernan, R Harvey, C Lambert
1998
C: M Knights...S West...S Crawford
Foll: P Everitt, T Viney, R Harvey
1999
C: B Johnson...N Buckley...W Schwass
Foll: M Allen, R Harvey, S Crawford
2000
C: S West...B Ratten...S Camporeale
Foll: S King, A Koutoufides, N Buckley
2002
C: J Akermanis...S Black...A Yze
Foll: M Primus, J Francou, B Cousins
2003
C: L Hayes...M Voss...P Williams
Foll: A Goodes, N Buckley, P Bell
2005
C: N Dal Santo...S West...L Hayes
Foll: D Cox, L Ball, B Cousins
2007
C: K Cornes...J Bartel...C Cornes
Foll: D Cox, D Kerr, G Ablett Jnr
I've rated this one a 4 because a few of these guys still have a bit to prove.
3.5
1993
C: G Anderson...G Williams...P Matera
Foll: J Stynes, B Allen, T McGuiness
Pretty clear this is the straggler.
5
1995
C: N Winmar...P Couch...M Long
Foll: J Madden, R Harvey, C Bradley
Not much more you could ask for in your on ball division with this lot. Ruck dominance, your inside and outside game is covered, and you're looking at 5 of the most skilled footballers to play the game.
2001
C: J Akermanis...B Ratten...N Buckley
Foll: M Primus, S Black, A McLeod
Very similar to 1995. I think Justin Madden was just a shade better at the hitouts than Primus, but still a 5 also.
2006
C: S Goodwin...S West...A Goodes
Foll: B Lade, C Judd, B Cousins
Won't see too many more decorated lineups than this, with Lade also a dangerous forward option.
4.5
1992
C: D Kemp...D Jarman...M McGuane
Foll: S Wynd, C McDermott, J Platten
3 Hall of Famers in there, and the Brownlow Medalist. All six players won club best and fairests.
1997
C: A Jones...C Bradley...N Buckley
Foll: P Salmon, R Harvey, N Burke
Aussie Jones not quite in the class of the others, but still good enuff to make another AA appearance in 2004 as a backman.
2004
C: C Judd...S Black...N Lappin
Foll: J White, M Ricciuto, S West
Jeff White sticks out like dogs balls in this lot.
4
I'll highlight the player/s i think just put these lineups a notch below the others. That's not to say they weren't good players who didn't deserve to be there. I'm sure you all know what I mean.
1991
C: C Mainwaring...P Couch...P Matera
Foll: J Stynes, M Bairstow, B Mitchell
1994
C: S Tingay...G Williams...P Matera
Foll: S Rehn, R Harvey, G Hocking
1996
C: Mainwaring...P Kelly...S Crawford
Foll: C McKernan, R Harvey, C Lambert
1998
C: M Knights...S West...S Crawford
Foll: P Everitt, T Viney, R Harvey
1999
C: B Johnson...N Buckley...W Schwass
Foll: M Allen, R Harvey, S Crawford
2000
C: S West...B Ratten...S Camporeale
Foll: S King, A Koutoufides, N Buckley
2002
C: J Akermanis...S Black...A Yze
Foll: M Primus, J Francou, B Cousins
2003
C: L Hayes...M Voss...P Williams
Foll: A Goodes, N Buckley, P Bell
2005
C: N Dal Santo...S West...L Hayes
Foll: D Cox, L Ball, B Cousins
2007
C: K Cornes...J Bartel...C Cornes
Foll: D Cox, D Kerr, G Ablett Jnr
I've rated this one a 4 because a few of these guys still have a bit to prove.
3.5
1993
C: G Anderson...G Williams...P Matera
Foll: J Stynes, B Allen, T McGuiness
Pretty clear this is the straggler.
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Why the hell would anyone care how many flags a guy has been involved in when rating their individual talent ?
Is Martin Pike the best player u remember ? Would u want to call Bob Skilton pretty damn average ?
I can never figure out why some pretend it matters or elevates their status somehow. Just because u can lift a silver cup doesnt mean u are qualified to play kick to kick with the greats. It simply means u were a cog in a great team team.
People overrate Norm Smith medals too...they claim it means the guy must have been a "great big game player"..it DOES to a certain extent only. What about the games to GET them into a GF ?..does history remember the best on ground in a close prelim final win ?...how about the guy who blitzed it to drag your team into the finals from 9th in rnd 22 ? These are MASSIVE games arnt they ? Does history remember these guys ? Unless your team is one of the two best in the comp u cannot possibly win a Norm Smith or Flag anyway.
Would u rate Buchanan or LRT from my mob as "big game players" ?...yeah i agree...but they were both damn close to being Norm Smith Medallists in recent yrs.
Personally i hated Rob Harvey and Nathan Buckley with a passion.. but over time u realise its simply because they were able to easily ruin your day despite anything your mob try. Whether a guy is part of a team that lifts a cup in September doesnt describe their individual abilities for my money.
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Here's some classic footage of a guy that by all rights could have already hung his boots up by 2004 with nothing more to prove. One reason i rate the guy the best and most consistent. Unlike most footballers his brain still works even when he must be buggered.
Watch what he does and look around the paddock for anyone else that stepped up...dont watch the big alpaca that took the mark...watch what the rover does for his forward. I;m guessing he would've thought his forward might be rattled and knew someone had to take a kick and somehow he's just magically loose as hell once again...either our guys were really hopeless or he just had a way of getting away...he hits it at speed then he doesnt just blaze away, he cribbs a few extra mtrs knowing his own limitations. Maybe he felt guilty for delivering a hospital pass who knows but this history will only remember the mark (which was ok i guess).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJGeSRJ5MMQ&feature=related
Thats class from a rover already past his prime for my money.
Watch what he does and look around the paddock for anyone else that stepped up...dont watch the big alpaca that took the mark...watch what the rover does for his forward. I;m guessing he would've thought his forward might be rattled and knew someone had to take a kick and somehow he's just magically loose as hell once again...either our guys were really hopeless or he just had a way of getting away...he hits it at speed then he doesnt just blaze away, he cribbs a few extra mtrs knowing his own limitations. Maybe he felt guilty for delivering a hospital pass who knows but this history will only remember the mark (which was ok i guess).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJGeSRJ5MMQ&feature=related
Thats class from a rover already past his prime for my money.
Then Monkey King backs up my point.
You do realise ur using team success to measure an individuals worth??
It simply doesn't make sense, premierships are about having the best team...at no stage in Buckley's career have Collingwood been the best team in the comp, never finished top of the ladder, St.Kilda only had 97 when they really challenged.
Got me befuddled but most people do it.
Bingo
The interesting one is G.Ablett and T.Lockett vs Dunstall. Most would put Lockett and Ablett ahead of Dunstall, yet Dunstall was the one with all the flags. Buckley and Harvey dominate all the midfielder awards, find more of the footy then their peers......but team success is the basis for people not rating them??
They did it for 15 years, week in week out
Two best midfielders since 91.
Everyone is also forgetting Cousins. Like Harvey he is a 6 time All Australian. He is the most consistent midfielder of the past 10 years. He could have had another 1-3 AA if he played last year and gets the chance to play again.
He still doesnt get the recognition he deserves.
He still doesnt get the recognition he deserves.
I think that having Allen in the ruck might be the weak link, although if memory serves he was a pretty important part of the successful Carlton team (almost choked writing that
matty allan would definitely not have been a weak link in that year's side. your memory is good enough to remember tha crawford won the brownlow that year but do you have any recollection who his runners-up were?
Cuz is only in the AA midfield 3 times, Harvey is 6, Buckley is 5.....they also have other times when they were on the bench or HBF etc.
But 6 and 5 times been in the first picked starting midfield....no others come close to that.
Totally irrelevent as to an individuals skill
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Think u'll find Harvey is an 8 time AA.
And u cant compare Cousins to him anyway...to me he's not in the same league but not only that they are totally different styles and background. Half the weagle fans in here used to think of Cosuins as more of a flanker or outside midfielder...different skillset and has played very similar roles and style to Akermanis. Good bloke to compare Cousins with.
Dont worry...Cousins has never been short of recognition as a great player...no point OVERrating him tho.
In some cases...good average players in struggling sides shine out in these kinds of selections.
Most teams utilise the disposal skills of their best player and the team are instructed to "play through" that player ...hence the players stats are inflated .
The player that most comes to mind in this case is Buckley ..while a brilliant player, his stats where enhanced due to the pies game plan.
Most teams utilise the disposal skills of their best player and the team are instructed to "play through" that player ...hence the players stats are inflated .
The player that most comes to mind in this case is Buckley ..while a brilliant player, his stats where enhanced due to the pies game plan.
How do you explain M.Murphy struggling then, surely being a good average player in a struggling side he should shine!
