All Australian thread 2014

[calyam]

Yes you are completely right, goals are not the only thing these days, but yet this also supports my argument for Schulz being in the AA team ahead of Hawkins, as my earlier post said:

So not only has he been a better goal kicker, he has been a better all round player as well.

Right now the AA FF and CHF would be
CHF: Franklin
FF: Schulz

Well the latter is certainly more compelling than simply leading the goalkicking. From my perspective, I think you can throw a blanket over a number of candidates. If Schulz is the favourite - and he possibly is - he would only be slightly ahead of the other major candidates.

 

[Shaneprice97]

Lynden Dunn quietly making a play for a 3rd tall spot Josh Gibson and Michael Johnson will probably miss out on due to injury. Had another 20 disposals and 10 rebound 50's, pretty sure he had 29 disposals and 16 rebound 50's the week before too.

 

[Modified Dog]

It would make sense that the buffoons on the All-Australian selection committee would choose Stephen Milne in 2012, Chad Wingard in 2013 and then in 2014, they'd overlook the Hawthorn forward pocket who kicked more goals than those two and actually has a defensive side to his game as well.

Wingard kicked more goals and average over 20 touches. Well deserved over Breust in 2013

Wingard deserved his spot

Because it might be that in each of those 3 years, the three players were better than said Hawthorn forward pocket in that year.
It is a yearly award after all.

Geez, basic comprehension guys… Where in my post did I say Wingard wasn't deserving in 2013?

It was more of a comment about the tendency of the AA selection committee buffoons to overlook the most-deserving players from my side in years gone by.

 

[pieman123]

Was hard to fit in
Everybody I wanted
But I did my best.

FF: Luke Bruest ~ Tom Hawkins ~ Robbie Gray
HF: Lance Franklin ~ Nick Riewoldt ~ Jack Riewoldt
C: Dom Tyson ~ Josh Kennedy ~ Steele Sidebotom
HB: Shaun Burgoyne ~ Alipate Carilile ~ Brodie Smith
FB: Nick Smith ~ Eric MacKenzie ~ Daniel Talia
R: Aaron Sandilands ~ Gary Ablett ~ Tom Liberatore
B: Travis Boak ~ Nathan Fyfe ~ Brent Harvey
Sub: Ollie Wines

What the

 

[Modified Dog]

Natanui was AA ruck based on 'X factor", so any reason is as good as any other.

Nic Naitanui was All Australian in 2012 because he had more taps to advantage than any other ruckman in the comp and his ruck play was extraordinary. It was on a completely different level to every other ruckman that season. Not just "x factor" and highlights, but the dominant work he did (hit outs and follow-up ground level play and defensive pressure) which gave the West Coast midfielders a massive, massive advantage at every stoppage and led directly to goals.

You'd have to be a total moron not to have noticed, or a Fremantle fan with a severe case of Nicnatanitis from seeing his picture on the front and back pages of The West Australian every single day.

 

[Coxy_]

Naitanui was good in 2012 but do you really think he should have been All-Australian? Personally I want my ruckman taking more than a couple of marks per game. Yes his tap work is/was good and his follow up play is brilliant but he has been highly overrated over the journey.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Naitanui was good in 2012 but do you really think he should have been All-Australian? Personally I want my ruckman taking more than a couple of marks per game. Yes his tap work is/was good and his follow up play is brilliant but he has been highly overrated over the journey.

It wasn't a strong year for rucks to be fair lets be honest.

 

[Coxy_]

It wasn't a strong year for rucks to be fair lets be honest.

Agree but I don't think Naitanui was much better than the likes of Jacobs, Maric, Minson etc. To be honest I just would have picked Big Cox. No need for a 2nd ruckman.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Agree but I don't think Naitanui was much better than the likes of Jacobs, Maric, Minson etc. To be honest I just would have picked Big Cox. No need for a 2nd ruckman.

It was a year where all the forward/rucks were better than first choice ruckmen unfortunately

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Lynden Dunn quietly making a play for a 3rd tall spot Josh Gibson and Michael Johnson will probably miss out on due to injury. Had another 20 disposals and 10 rebound 50's, pretty sure he had 29 disposals and 16 rebound 50's the week before too.

He seems to get half of his touches and rebound 50s by kicking to himself from the kick out. I think he set up 4-5 North goals today with poor use coming out of the back half.

 

[Schauermann]

Personally I want my ruckman taking more than a couple of marks per game.

Actually Ruckmen that take a lot of marks are pretty rare. Minson for example averaged less then 2 last year.

 

[ronpingwins]

Agree but I don't think Naitanui was much better than the likes of Jacobs, Maric, Minson etc. To be honest I just would have picked Big Cox. No need for a 2nd ruckman.

NN was 6th or 7th for contested marks that year. He took 45, at an average of over 2 per game. Easily the first out of all ruckmen.

 

[PowerForGood]

It should.

Schulz has scored just under half of his goals against GWS, Brisbane and the Western Bulldogs.

Funny then why no one says that the Brownlow Medal should be judged in the same way.

"ROUND 22. Player X: 3 votes. That makes Player X the winner of the 2014 Brownlow Me.... hang on, what's that? *hurried whispers*... um, it's been decided that those votes should not count because they were against Richmond, whereas Player Y got only one vote, but that was against Hawthorn. I declare Player Y the winner of the 2014 Brownlow Medal. They deserved it more, really"

 

[Schauermann]

Well, difficult to say: Did Schulz kick lots of goals gainst those teams because they are bad or are they bad because he kicked lots of goals against them.

 

[Bicco]

Nic Naitanui was All Australian in 2012 because he had more taps to advantage than any other ruckman in the comp and his ruck play was extraordinary. It was on a completely different level to every other ruckman that season. Not just "x factor" and highlights, but the dominant work he did (hit outs and follow-up ground level play and defensive pressure) which gave the West Coast midfielders a massive, massive advantage at every stoppage and led directly to goals.

You'd have to be a total moron not to have noticed, or a Fremantle fan with a severe case of Nicnatanitis from seeing his picture on the front and back pages of The West Australian every single day.

Calling me a moron says more about you than it does about me.
X factor is a reason given by both Bartlett and Healy when asked how NN was named first AA ruck when he didn't even have that spot in his own team.
I was being facetious, if you don't know what it means, ask you mum when she gets back from Grey St.

 

[Scodog10]

Lynden Dunn quietly making a play for a 3rd tall spot Josh Gibson and Michael Johnson will probably miss out on due to injury. Had another 20 disposals and 10 rebound 50's, pretty sure he had 29 disposals and 16 rebound 50's the week before too.

I'm on the Dunn AA train

I'm also after some thoughts on how many more performances Mumford needs along the lines of yesterday before he becomes a fixture in some peoples teams?

He averages 13 disposals, 4 marks, 7.5 tackles and 49 hitouts in GWS' 4 wins and has carried them on his own back in 3 of them (the Brisbane one aside). IMO, he's clearly been the most influential big man in the league this year and is probably only injury away from being a deadset lock.

 

[androidtommy]

B: M. Johnson, M. Talia, K. Simpson
HB: B. Smith, C. Hooker, S. Burgoyne

C: B. Harvey, J. Kennedy, S. Pendlebury

HF: P. Dangerfield, L. Franklin, L. Breust
F: C. Wingard, T. Hawkins, J. Shults

R. A. Sandilands, D. Beams, G. Ablett

I/C: L. Parker M. Hibberd, R. Grey, C. Ward

M. Talia? I think you mean D. Talia

 

[Coxy_]

NN was 6th or 7th for contested marks that year. He took 45, at an average of over 2 per game. Easily the first out of all ruckmen.

And averaged only 3 marks per game, the highest he has ever averaged. With his attributes he should be taking at least 5 every week.

 

[Cashmoney13]

And averaged only 3 marks per game, the highest he has ever averaged. With his attributes he should be taking at least 5 every week.

I dont see your logic there at all?
AA is dependant on the rest of the league not potential, does it mean that Maric should get the nod instead coz he is playing well beyond his potential despite being half the player?

 

[Coxy_]

I dont see your logic there at all?
AA is dependant on the rest of the league not potential, does it mean that Maric should get the nod instead coz he is playing well beyond his potential despite being half the player?

What are you on about? I don't think NN should have been in the 2012 AA team because his season wasn't good enough. Not sure what Maric has to do with it.

 

[mike123]

M. Talia? I think you mean D. Talia

The one from Adelaide

 

[Scatter]

You would have to say the 5 at the top of the coaches award (with a gap of 10 to 6th place) are the 'locks' if you were to do the AA team today. The equivalent of around 6 best on grounds as decided by the coaches would get you there surely wouldn't it? You could almost win a brownlow with 6 BOG's.

LEADERBOARD
67 Gary Ablett (Gold Coast)
60 Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide)
60 Josh Kennedy (Sydney Swans)
56 Nathan Fyfe (Fremantle)
56 Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood)
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46 Travis Boak (Port Adelaide)
45 Matthew Priddis (West Coast)
43 Brendon Goddard (Essendon)
42 Lance Franklin (Sydney Swans)
41 Brent Harvey (North Melbourne)
41 Nathan Jones (Melbourne)
41 Tom Liberatore (Western Bulldogs)

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

You would have to say the 5 at the top of the coaches award (with a gap of 10 to 6th place) are the 'locks' if you were to do the AA team today. The equivalent of around 6 best on grounds as decided by the coaches would get you there surely wouldn't it? You could almost win a brownlow with 6 BOG's.

LEADERBOARD
67 Gary Ablett (Gold Coast)
60 Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide)
60 Josh Kennedy (Sydney Swans)
56 Nathan Fyfe (Fremantle)
56 Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood)
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46 Travis Boak (Port Adelaide)
45 Matthew Priddis (West Coast)
43 Brendon Goddard (Essendon)
42 Lance Franklin (Sydney Swans)
41 Brent Harvey (North Melbourne)
41 Nathan Jones (Melbourne)
41 Tom Liberatore (Western Bulldogs)

Robbie Gray What a star... He is coming for you Gazza

 

[LeverPuller]

You would have to say the 5 at the top of the coaches award (with a gap of 10 to 6th place) are the 'locks' if you were to do the AA team today. The equivalent of around 6 best on grounds as decided by the coaches would get you there surely wouldn't it? You could almost win a brownlow with 6 BOG's.

LEADERBOARD
67 Gary Ablett (Gold Coast)
60 Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide)
60 Josh Kennedy (Sydney Swans)
56 Nathan Fyfe (Fremantle)
56 Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood)
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46 Travis Boak (Port Adelaide)
45 Matthew Priddis (West Coast)
43 Brendon Goddard (Essendon)
42 Lance Franklin (Sydney Swans)
41 Brent Harvey (North Melbourne)
41 Nathan Jones (Melbourne)
41 Tom Liberatore (Western Bulldogs)

The one exception in that list, to me at least, is Priddis. Has he really had that good a year?

 

[PowerForGood]

Robbie Gray What a star... He is coming for you Gazza

Polled in 11/13 games now. Ken must have a big man crush on our Robbie.