Injury All Grand Final injury news - Ball's Hammy, Dids shoulder and more.

[eddiesmith]

Hopefully he is alright, didnt look too bad in the rooms after the game and it would really stick it up the Saints supporters if he was fit

But I am wondering from those who attended training this week who is in the training squad? I think Mick mentioned they have about 31 players who they are keeping for all possible scenarios so I assume Cheesy is still training and may retire with a premiership medallion if Ball doesnt get up

 

[KissStephanie]

Because you listen? and believe everything that you are told? by 3AW no less, hmmm interesting!

Not at any stage did I say that I only listened to what 3AW said. I have however stated more than once that I also listened to the captain Nick Maxwell and the coach Michael Malthouse, who happened to state that he spoke to both medical staff and Luke Ball himself. Why won't you accept that, and why is it your preference to speculate and doubt that? It makes no sense.

And a severe cramp like Ball had apparantly, occurs in the middle or lower muscle because that is where all the workload on the muscle occurs

No, that is not accurate. Cramp can occur anywhere in the semitendinosus and semimembranosus muscles and bicep femoris (most likely in this case if the cramp is high as it appeared to be), and trigger points extend from the buttock, back of the thigh, and back of the knee regions.

And because you have listened to what the radio tell you, you are not speculating? plaese Steph spare me!

Oh for goodness sake. Why do you jump on me for saying that I listened to what 3AW had said, but ignored when I said that I also listened to Nick Maxwell and Michael Malthouse who had spoken to the medical staff and Luke Ball himself?

His hammy was iced apparently.

Ice is used to treat cramp because it is both an anti-inflammatory and pain reliever.

 

[Frankie23]

Watched the replay, saw Didak after a mark clutch at his pectorial in the second quarter. Obviously it is hurting but I wouldn't like to be the person who tells him he can't play in a GF!

As for Ball, I'll go with the club on this one, if they say it is cramp then it may be. But in all my years of sport I've rarely seen cramp of the hamstring...

I have serious doubts on Ball

 

[Visions]

His hammy was iced apparently.



Sounds to me that worse case its a minor hammy, best case it was a cramp.

Whatever the case, I am so proud of our club taking the right precautions with injuries as opposed to say the Saints who put Riewoldt back on when they played us and he tore his hammy or Richmond who did similar things with Cousins.

Make no mistake, Ball will be given every chance to play next week and has already begun receiving the 'best practice' treatment.

Even a "minor" hammy will be enough to keep him out next week I reckon. You don't recover in a week from a mild strain. You would hope its cramp only.

As for Didak, he did clutch at his left pec many times during the game in contests, so isn't 100% but he will definitely play next week. Worst case they will just give him some pain killers.

 

[KissStephanie]

Because you listen? and believe everything that you are told? by 3AW no less, hmmm interesting!

Not at any stage did I say that I only listened to what 3AW said. I have however stated more than once that I also listened to the captain Nick Maxwell and the coach Michael Malthouse, who happened to state that he spoke to both medical staff and Luke Ball himself. Why won't you accept that, and why is it your preference to speculate and doubt that? It makes no sense.

And a severe cramp like Ball had apparantly, occurs in the middle or lower muscle because that is where all the workload on the muscle occurs

No, that is not accurate. Cramp can occur anywhere in the semitendinosus and semimembranosus muscles and bicep femoris (most likely in this case if the cramp is high as it appeared to be), and trigger points extend from the buttock, back of the thigh, and back of the knee regions.

And because you have listened to what the radio tell you, you are not speculating? plaese Steph spare me!

Oh for goodness sake. Why do you jump on me for saying that I listened to what 3AW had said, but ignored when I said that I also listened to Nick Maxwell and Michael Malthouse who had spoken to the medical staff and Luke Ball himself?

His hammy was iced apparently.

Ice is used to treat cramp because it is both an anti-inflammatory and pain reliever.

“I’m not trying to kid you here. I’m not trying to make out anything. He came off with a cramp,” he said"

Some people are just not going to believe you Mick for some reason.

 

[simpin68]

Cramp can occur anywhere in the semitendinosus and semimembranosus muscles and bicep femoris (most likely in this case if the cramp is high as it appeared to be), and trigger points extend from the buttock, back of the thigh, and back of the knee regionsquote]

F.F.S. talk english brother. Is he out or in?

 

[mattys123]

But I am wondering from those who attended training this week who is in the training squad? I think Mick mentioned they have about 31 players who they are keeping for all possible scenarios so I assume Cheesy is still training and may retire with a premiership medallion if Ball doesnt get up

The 9 who didn't play tonight are;

Fraser
Wood
McCarthy
Davis (late withdrawal)
McCarthy
Medhurst
Buckley
Lockyer
Anthony

Or at least they were the others who trained on Thursday.

I'm undecided on Luke Ball, I think he it was either cramp, or he has torn it good, it's not just a strain or a slight tear, it's either best case or worst case IMO.

 

[dogbert]

''He came off with cramp and the first thing I asked the medical staff [after the game] was about that and they [medical staff] are very confident he'll play and he is as well.

''There was no point whatsoever in putting him back on.''

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ball-fit-for-big-one-pies-20100918-15gl0.html

 

[pongo_3931]

Ice is used to treat cramp because it is both an anti-inflammatory and pain reliever.

I wasn't intimating what was being treated as ice can treat many things and without proper diagnosis I wouldn't make that call (hence me supposing a best case and worse case range). I was replying to someone elses post who stated they did not see any ice.

 

[eddiesmith]

The 9 who didn't play tonight are;

Fraser
Wood
McCarthy
Davis (late withdrawal)
McCarthy
Medhurst
Buckley
Lockyer
Anthony

Or at least they were the others who trained on Thursday.

I'm undecided on Luke Ball, I think he it was either cramp, or he has torn it good, it's not just a strain or a slight tear, it's either best case or worst case IMO.

Thanks, thats a bugger as it means McCarthy would come in, maybe Lockyer given we are down a forward but doubtful

 

[Visions]

Ok, so I've found the bit where Tim Watson mentioned that Ball has gone to the rooms, dialed it back a bit to about 8:45 left in the third when Pods marks (and consequently pushes his first shot at goal out to the right), and Ball can be seen jogging slowly (but freely) at the bottom left of the screen.

Between then and when Watson reports on Ball, just after Cloke has a set shot roughly two minutes later, I can't see Ball in any contest at all.

Make of that what you will.

I saw that point. You can see him doing a hamstring stretch just as Pods takes the mark. Rewinding it even further back a minute after Wellingham takes a mark, you can see Ball running freely for the next minute up to the stretch without actually breaking into a sprint, so its hard to see where he could have done it.

 

[WakeUpPies]

I hate hamstrings, why do we have hamstrings??!!

I am still having nightmares over Buckley's hamstring.

 

[THATSGOLD]

what happened to sidebottom? i saw him limping after the goal.. is he alright? did they say on tele?

 

[Heritier 09]

watch the footage again boys. at first watch i was horrified. but i just watched it again, and ball is walking into the tunnel on a stiff leg, then he takes a normal step, then he kicks the sore leg out. surely you wouldn't do that if you'd ripped it off the bone?
you don't do much of anything if you've wrecked your hammy.
then people are talking about him in a wall squat during post game footage.
i reckon he'll play.

also, axl cool out. why so serious? we should take the opinion of our coach and captain as the gospel if you ask me. people were speculating on the severity of wellinghams injury two weeks ago, where did that get anyone?

 

[jayceontaylor]

Doc Larkins said he was on the bike at 3 qtr time, surely they wouldn't let him do that if there was any fear of an injury.

 

[pieman123]

if Ball doesnt play i say bring in Leon if he is fit and play him in the midfield or put him in the forward line and play blair in the middle

 

[damuzzdu]

what happened to sidebottom? i saw him limping after the goal.. is he alright? did they say on tele?

Yeah I saw that as well. late in the game. When I watched the replay he grabbed for the back of his right leg. But then turned away and ran/jogged off quite quickly with no sign of trouble. So I would say nothing it. Might have been bit of cramp. Seems there were 3-4 players with cramp, like Harry O had as MM said in post-match interview on Ch7that never happens with Harry O.

 

[mysainters]

The footage that made me think it was a hamstring was the vision in the rooms after the song. All the boys sat along the wall, Ball tried to sit and only slid a little way down, appeared to be uncomfortable and gave up on sitting.

 

[bisazc887]

Re: Ball's Hammy

Dids hurt his shoulder (again presumably given the strapping) a lot earlier than the incident in the last. He played on with hardly any worries. Seems like a mind over matter sort of injury to me - should be able to play thorugh it. At a guess anyway.

Worst case leave him up forward more as he can kick match winners, too valuable for you=more than Ball

 

[Al Scorcho]

what happened to sidebottom? i saw him limping after the goal.. is he alright? did they say on tele?

yeah after he kicked his goal he celebrated, grabbed for the hammy, started running off, grabbed again at about the centre square, then kept jogging off...assuming it was only cramp

hoping would be the more appropriate term perhaps?

 

[danielnajdek]

Could've easily been cramp. It was a intense first half.

 

[rose jam]

I'd be pretty sure there was a lot of cramping, tends to happen to teams with the week off. You'll see it again with the Saints tonight.


Leon in a clean swap for Goldy and we're good to go. Leave Brown in, trust in Reid on Riewoldt. Riewoldt takes his marks jumpnig at the ball and this is Reid's best defensive behaviour

 

[Sloth]

If Ball doesn't come up next week then it's not a disater, not like it would be if it was Jolly for example. We still have Davis, Medhurst, Presti etc who deserve a spot

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

If there was anyone to be under an injury doubt and anyone who had to play with a slight hamstring strain I would want it to be Luke Ball. He is as tough as anyone we've got and plays an in close game.

The games Malthouse played last year with Pendlebury make me wary, but you've got to wonder why bother with the charade if it's truly torn? Why put supporters through that? We are playing brilliant footy and don't need to resort to playing mind games like Bomber.

 

[Daics35Marvel]

The games Malthouse played last year with Pendlebury make me wary, but you've got to wonder why bother with the charade if it's truly torn? Why put supporters through that? We are playing brilliant footy and don't need to resort to playing mind games like Bomber.

On one hand we might waste some of the Saints time planning for a match up that never eventuates. But the more I think about it, if it's more than cramp he won't train during the week which will make it pretty clear that he won't be playing. So I agree that I don't really see what Malthouse has to gain by lying about it.