Society/Culture Andrew Thorburn - Controversial appointment as Essendon CEO. Broader discussion not for the AFL board..

[domus]

Because it is access to women's health. You know there are certain types of pregnancies that can kill a woman if not for medical intervention. It's not all just getting an abortion because you don't want a kid.

And the percentage of people who would use abortion as a form of birth control would be very low. It's not a walk in the park procedure.

It's the dishonesty around the subject that I abhor. The vast majority of abortions are for convenience. That's a fact. Yet rape and incest or the life of the mother being at risk are constantly thrown up. These are very rare and extreme examples. This in itself tells me those who support it have a sense that they are on shaky ground focusing on the overwhelmingly most common reason for it. So other than rape, incest or a mum's life being in danger you oppose abortion? If not, why go to the outliers?

 

[Dave]

Rubbish. The bible describes how to perform an abortion on your unfaithful wife.

Not to mention, if we take religons at their word, “God” causes more abortions every year than (wo)man ever could.

 

[Feraligatr]

This is a little surface level by your lofty standards, Chief.

Don’t get me wrong, I have pretty conservative views, but I’m pro choice.
However I’d like to see it work both ways…

If a woman has the right to opt out of parenthood, why can’t a man do the same?
A woman should and has every right to say “I don’t want this baby”, and a man should have no say in that.
But if a man says, “I don’t want this baby”, he’s told to “pay up for 18 years”.

It’s a very unfortunate double standard, wouldn’t you say?

I had this conversation with my Boyfriend once. I don't want children and he does. I'm on birth control for that reason.

But we did sit down and talk about what would happen if the birth control failed. He said he would want to keep the child and I said that's fine, but I'll sign over all parental rights to you and pay you child support.

I don't hate kids but I don't want to be a mother so that's the agreement we came too.

Edit: when I say he does I don't mean he wants them, he has already had kids but he is not against having another, but it's not dealbreaker for him.

 

[nobbyiscool]

This is a little surface level by your lofty standards, Chief.

Don’t get me wrong, I have pretty conservative views, but I’m pro choice.
However I’d like to see it work both ways…

If a woman has the right to opt out of parenthood, why can’t a man do the same?
A woman should and has every right to say “I don’t want this baby”, and a man should have no say in that.
But if a man says, “I don’t want this baby”, he’s told to “pay up for 18 years”.

It’s a very unfortunate double standard, wouldn’t you say?

A man can say that - he says it by wrapping his dick before he has sex.

 

[Dave]

This is a little surface level by your lofty standards, Chief.

Don’t get me wrong, I have pretty conservative views, but I’m pro choice.
However I’d like to see it work both ways…

If a woman has the right to opt out of parenthood, why can’t a man do the same?
A woman should and has every right to say “I don’t want this baby”, and a man should have no say in that.
But if a man says, “I don’t want this baby”, he’s told to “pay up for 18 years”.

It’s a very unfortunate double standard, wouldn’t you say?

We can. It’s called dont have unprotected sex. Easy.

 

[TheCoach16]

Oh wow

You should look Pauline Hansen up on tinder

This is cringeworthy by you. Let me guess, men have it easy, right?

 

[sobrave]

Hey Moron I'm not trolling anyone. Can't help your little soy boy mind can't handle the fact that someone dosnt share your opion.

Lol I'm sorry you're so upset that Trump lost. You should donate some money to his legal battles!

 

[domus]

Birds of a feather
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Shocking! How dare Christian men gather together. Our society has lost the plot. You are actually posting a photo of Christians as though it's sick crime. Imagine if I posted a photo of Houli with a couple of Muslim friends and implied it was a disgusting thing to see?

 

[Sky]

Birds of a feather
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Speaking as someone who will never accomplish much in their life, I’ve spent multiple years wanting to give a few hooks to the man on the right. To be able to do so would make me smile endlessly. I imagine I’m not alone on that one though.

 

[QuietB]

Lmfao and the left are logical? Do you not understand Western Civilisation was built on religion and its morales, The reason we are all around today watching football together 'inclusively' is because of the foundations the Western world was built on! If Religion wasn't so inclusive you wouldn't be here to argue about it that's for sure.

No it was not

 

[TheCoach16]

A man can say that - he says it by wrapping his dick before he has sex.

So it’s solely the man’s responsibility? The woman has zero accountability? Is that it?

 

[Feraligatr]

It's the dishonesty around the subject that I abhor. The vast majority of abortions are for convenience. That's a fact. Yet rape and incest or the life of the mother being at risk are constantly thrown up. These are very rare and extreme examples. This in itself tells me those who support it have a sense that they are on shaky ground focusing on the overwhelmingly most common reason for it. So other than rape, incest or a mum's life being in danger you oppose abortion? If not, why go to the outliers?

Etopic pregnancies aren't rare. Uncommon. But not rare. If i where to get pregnant I am at a high risk of having one of those types of pregnancies.

To be honest, I couldn't care less whether someone has an abortion. It doesn't effect me in the slightest. That is something between the people involved and their medical practitioner.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Society has gone mad.

 

[TheCoach16]

We can. It’s called dont have unprotected sex. Easy.

You know how sex works, right?
Two (or more if that’s what you’re in to) people have sex. So two people have protected or unprotected sex.

Sorry Dave, but you don’t speak for me, so when you say “we”, I think you mean “I”.

 

[Marcel Proust]

His church espouses homophobic views. That would be the biggest issue considering there's a lot of openly gay women in the AFLW.

WNBA too

 

[Sir_Loin]

Shocking! How dare Christian men gather together. Our society has lost the plot. You are actually posting a photo of Christians as though it's sick crime. Imagine if I posted a photo of Houli with a couple of Muslim friends and implied it was a disgusting thing to see?

Would love it. Houli is a great man and does great inclusive things. Fire away big man

 

[TheCoach16]

I think this has been a massive contributor towards male suicide numbers rising.

It’s actually *ed up and I’m pro-choice too.

Eight men a day in Australia. And approximately five of those eight are a result of these types of issues.

 

[nobbyiscool]

So it’s solely the man’s responsibility? The woman has zero accountability? Is that it?

The point was that women have the choice as to whether or not they have a baby.

The response is that men have that choice as well.

Your post is irrelevant.

 

[domus]

I saw them, to me they’re no different from the churches that wont appoint women as minsters, still defend sex offenders, not to mention the misogynistic attitudes to birth control and abortion. They’re all as bad as each other.

Many women oppose abortion. Are they misogynists? When will people stop branding those who hold a different point of view with sickening labels.

 

[Dave]

It's the dishonesty around the subject that I abhor. The vast majority of abortions are for convenience. That's a fact. Yet rape and incest or the life of the mother being at risk are constantly thrown up. These are very rare and extreme examples. This in itself tells me those who support it have a sense that they are on shaky ground focusing on the overwhelmingly most common reason for it. So other than rape, incest or a mum's life being in danger you oppose abortion? If not, why go to the outliers?

Do you also disagree with all the abortions God causes?

 

[killtaker1993]

If you are anti-abortion, you are a dickhead

 

[TheCoach16]

The point was that women have the choice as to whether or not they have a baby.

The response is that men have that choice as well.

Your post is irrelevant.

Not once the woman is pregnant. Right?

 

[Suspense]

Many women oppose abortion. Are they misogynists? When will people stop branding those who hold a different point of view with sickening labels.

Probably once the Christian fundies stop equating those who don't share the same views as being mass murderers.

 

[Feraligatr]

I've never once read the bible but from what I've heard Jesus was a good bloke.
Didn't he love everyone? I doubt he would have cared if someone was gay or had an abortion.

 

[rmcq]

Same-sex marriage was only legalised in 2016. Both major parties were against it as little as a decade ago.

What has SSM got to do with it? Supporting same sex marriage is not the same as being against anal sex between two men.