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[domus]

Do you also disagree with all the abortions God causes?

When a baby is lost through miscarriage people grieve. Why? They don't say I'm sorry you lost your clump of cells. When people die in accidents or from diseases it is very sad but I don't react in the same way I would had someone taken their life.

 

[nobbyiscool]

Not once the woman is pregnant. Right?

I don't know why you're fishing for strawmen.

If you don't want a child, use a condom. She won't get pregnant. It's not that difficult.

 

[WA ROO]

I moved it here from the main board thread.

So it can be subject to SRP moderation

 

[Ghost Patrol]

When a baby is lost through miscarriage people grieve. Why? They don't say I'm sorry you lost your clump of cells. When people die in accidents or from diseases it is very sad but I don't react in the same way I would had someone taken their life.

Don't they go straight to heaven?

 

[cartwright]

It's the dishonesty around the subject that I abhor. The vast majority of abortions are for convenience. That's a fact. Yet rape and incest or the life of the mother being at risk are constantly thrown up. These are very rare and extreme examples. This in itself tells me those who support it have a sense that they are on shaky ground focusing on the overwhelmingly most common reason for it. So other than rape, incest or a mum's life being in danger you oppose abortion? If not, why go to the outliers?

I abhor you thinking you decide women’s medical decisions.

 

[TheCoach16]

I don't know why you're fishing for strawmen.

If you don't want a child, use a condom. She won't get pregnant. It's not that difficult.

You’re deliberately avoiding the issue. If you have nothing to contribute, then there’s no pressure for you to respond. Don’t feel obligated.
But your surface level avoidance is weakening your stance.

 

[sobrave]

Eight men a day in Australia. And approximately five of those eight are a result of these types of issues.

Source?

5 out of 8 male suicides are due to having to pay child support? Sounds like you made that up

 

[Sinnthesis]

What does that mean?

It means you are a radical social justice warrior, who has delusional views about creating a new kind of utopia.

 

[Dave]

Many women oppose abortion. Are they misogynists?

Depends on their reasoning, but women can hate women you know.

When will people stop branding those who hold a different point of view with sickening labels.

When those views stop being sickening.

 

[TheCoach16]

I’ve fathered three children so yeah, got a pretty good idea. It’s generally men who want unprotected sex, and not men who wear the consequences of it, so IMO men have more responsibility to ensure it doesn’t happen.

I said “we” as the question that was asked was can a man opt out, to me the topic indicated pluralism. Would dream of speaking for you, however when you ask a question be prepared for answers you may not like.

“Generally men who want unprotected sex…”
Men have more responsibility to ensure it doesn’t happen…”

Sounds like opinion and generalisation, as opposed to any facts going on.

We want “equality” right? Does that only apply to rights, but not responsibility?

 

[Feraligatr]

I abhor you thinking you decide women’s medical decisions.

This is it.

It's literally no one else's business if someone gets an abortion and for what reason.

Don't want abortions to happen? Don't have sex or use birth control.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It means you are a radical social justice warrior, who has delusional views about creating a new kind of utopia.

Isn't that exactly what Jesus did?

 

[QuietB]

This is cringeworthy by you. Let me guess, men have it easy, right?

What’s your next trick? #whitelivesmatter

 

[Dave]

When a baby is lost through miscarriage people grieve. Why? They don't say I'm sorry you lost your clump of cells. When people die in accidents or from diseases it is very sad but I don't react in the same way I would had someone taken their life.

Sorry, I missed your answer to the question:

Do you also disagree with all the abortions “God” causes?

 

[Randomizor]

It's the dishonesty around the subject that I abhor. The vast majority of abortions are for convenience. That's a fact. Yet rape and incest or the life of the mother being at risk are constantly thrown up. These are very rare and extreme examples. This in itself tells me those who support it have a sense that they are on shaky ground focusing on the overwhelmingly most common reason for it. So other than rape, incest or a mum's life being in danger you oppose abortion? If not, why go to the outliers?

Name one other medical procedure (ie giving birth) that you are forced to have.

 

[Feraligatr]

Source?

5 out of 8 male suicides are due to having to pay child support? Sounds like you made that up

Or the ex wife being a dog and stopping the dad from seeing there kid.
We are going through that at the moment and it is absolute hell. It breaks my heart to see my partner struggle.

 

[nobbyiscool]

You’re deliberately avoiding the issue. If you have nothing to contribute, then there’s no pressure for you to respond. Don’t feel obligated.
But your surface level avoidance is weakening your stance.

It's surface level because sex education is pretty simple.

I don't know how else to explain how men can easily avoid the responsibility of children if they don't want it.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Actually, “hate speech” has become a euphemism for “differing personal views”.

It’s quite sad.

Yeah, nah. Nice try though.

If your "differing personal views" include the discrimination of someone else, the limiting of their freedoms based on a personal attribute such as their gender, sexuality, race etc - then that is hate speech.

 

[TheCoach16]

Source?

5 out of 8 male suicides are due to having to pay child support? Sounds like you made that up

Not sure I said child support. I said these type of issues…

 

[Dave]

“Generally men who want unprotected sex…”
Men have more responsibility to ensure it doesn’t happen…”

Sounds like opinion and generalisation, as opposed to any facts going on.

Hence I posted IMO. If you disagree that’s ok with me.

We want “equality” right? Does that only apply to rights, but not responsibility?

It’s a tad hard to have equality in something where only one side can carry a child. And when it comes to pregnancy, again IMO, the right of a woman to decide if she’ll complete a pregnancy outweighs any responsibility she has to the father. It’s her life at risk during the pregnancy, not his.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Eight men a day in Australia. And approximately five of those eight are a result of these types of issues.

That's total made up rubbish .

 

[sobrave]

Not sure I said child support. I said these type of issues…

Post the source for your claim then? And what is your claim? 5 out of 8 male suicides are due to.. which issues?

 

[TheCoach16]

Yeah, nah. Nice try though.

If your "differing personal views" include the discrimination of someone else, the limiting of their freedoms based on a personal attribute such as their gender, sexuality, race etc - then that is hate speech.

Absolutely. You show me someone who limits the freedoms of others based on these things, and I’ll stand with you. I’ll even hold your placard.
But don’t confuse this with a person’s personal views.
Do flat earthers limit the freedoms of round earthers?

 

[PhatBoy]

When the US won’t even allow women to abort ectopic pregnancies, that is, a pregnancy which is never ever going to be viable, never ever going to be a life, then that’s when you can only come to the realisation it’s about forcing women to give birth.

I am familiar with what an ectopic pregnancy is.

 

[gouki88]

Eight men a day in Australia. And approximately five of those eight are a result of these types of issues.

[Citation needed]