Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[Johnny Bananas]

Then if you want to report Musk's prediction, interview Kohler as well and let him provide his analysis. Musk is not nobody in the situation you described. His viewpoint is news. The independence or lack thereof is reportable fact (Musk owns the stock he is talking up, Kohler is not involved in the operations of Tesla - both facts).

And if the opinion is reported uncritically, with no prefacing that Musk is the CEO and a big Tesla stock owner?

Again, the CSIRO's independence and the organisation that did the Coalition's costings and their situation are all reportable facts. The reason we know the CSIRO's views is that they were reported widely.

If a paper reports them as though they're equal in value or omits facts about the Coalition's costings, that's an issue.

I don't think we have a media diversity problem - we have a consumption of a diversity of media problem, and that is something each individual person can address.

Fat chance. Those still consuming mass media are locked into their preferred part of the corporate media, and those disillusioned by poor journalistic standards will avoid it altogether and turn to social media instead. And the more that second group grows, the lower the standards of the corporate media drop, because they'll try harder to chase eyeballs.

I see most corporate media eventually devolving to the standards of The Sun or the Daily Mail. It's okay if you don't see that as a problem. I do, though.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

That's a melt? Guess you haven't seen many melts.

It's still a melt. As soon as you attack the poster rather than the argument, you're in melt territory.

 

[peetoo]

Sky News' influence isn't solely linked to their viewing figures... that's what Murdoch worked out a long time ago. Sky can send a reporter to a PM presser and ask why he's so useless, why the economy is in the toilet, why Dutto would be a better PM, regardless of whether any of it is true. Then sit back and watch as the rest of the media report 'PM forced to deny he's useless, defends himself against suggestions Dutto would be better'. It sets the narrative.

It's the same as some shock jock on morning radio hyperventilating about an issue, then news.com.au reporting on 'radio star's tirade', then Sky News reporting on it and eventually the Guardian and ABC are reporting on it. It's hardly rocket science.

In the last election when smirk already had the answer in a presser to any question which caught albo out

Like having phone a friend but unlimited

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And anyway, isn't it the case that Sky have phenomenal "secondary" viewing figures on YouTube?

I never really watched sky news, only time i see sky is if i happen to be watching sport in a pub.
I came across Rita Panahi doing "Lefties losing it " on Youtube and thought it was someone taking the piss at first.

Apparently she considers herself a serious political commentator.


To me watching that is like listening to Borat seriously discussing the Ukraine war. Cannot take seriously.

 

[MPMonkeys]

In the last election when smirk already had the answer in a presser to any question which caught albo out

Like having phone a friend but unlimited

Well of course he did.
Every journalist who asks a question at any presser has a good idea of what the answer ought to be. They're not grade 6 kids out on a school excursion.

 

[peetoo]

Well of course he did.
Every journalist who asks a question at any presser has a good idea of what the answer ought to be. They're not grade 6 kids out on a school excursion.

It was more than random. Most noticed that

 

[The Punter]

And if the opinion is reported uncritically, with no prefacing that Musk is the CEO and a big Tesla stock owner?

Well, Musk's view is news because he is CEO. Stating he is CEO and owns a ton of Tesla stock is reporting uncritically.

If a paper reports them as though they're equal in value or omits facts about the Coalition's costings, that's an issue.

"Many other organisations this publication spoke to agreed with the CSIRO's view" - standing reporting in long-time accepted journalistic standards

"LNPs costings and their consultants who provided them are rubbish" - the sort of stuff I'd expect from anonymous polemicists like Ronni Salt.

Fat chance. Those still consuming mass media are locked into their preferred part of the corporate media, and those disillusioned by poor journalistic standards will avoid it altogether and turn to social media instead. And the more that second group grows, the lower the standards of the corporate media drop, because they'll try harder to chase eyeballs.

If you want to change this in an enduring way, you need to find a way to make consumers change their behaviour in a way that doesn't make them feel like they are being made to change or being made to eat their vegetables. Easier that this? Complaining on a web forum about the media.

IMO the only way to change the media in an enduring way is to not consume the media you find problematic. The side effect from that is siloing.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Fat chance. Those still consuming mass media are locked into their preferred part of the corporate media, and those disillusioned by poor journalistic standards will avoid it altogether and turn to social media instead. And the more that second group grows, the lower the standards of the corporate media drop, because they'll try harder to chase eyeballs.

I see most corporate media eventually devolving to the standards of The Sun or the Daily Mail. It's okay if you don't see that as a problem. I do, though.

Media owners are not that stupid mate. It would be pointless trying to compete in a race to the bottom. Additionally corporate media is backed by advertisers and advertisers want their product associated with their target demographic.

 

[MPMonkeys]

It was more than random. Most noticed that

Are you advocating that all questions have to be approved and vetted at any press conference?

They are politicians. One of their skills is being able to answer a question without answering a question. The journalists know this. Its a game of cat and mouse. Albanese stumbled when he should not have.

 

[peetoo]

Are you advocating that all questions have to be approved and vetted at any press conference?

They are politicians. One of their skills is being able to answer a question without answering a question. The journalists know this. Its a game of cat and mouse. Albanese stumbled when he should not have.

You are projecting

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's still a melt. As soon as you attack the poster rather than the argument, you're in melt territory.

Well, except that they were hardly attacking you.

 

[kranky al]

Yeah, as I said, nice melt

So you haven’t quite figured out how you are going to defend your hilarious assertion that tax should be paid where the value is created on a product designed in America, built in China with the tax paid in the low low low tax harbour of Ireland?

I wonder what value the Irish create - I mean aside from you know….. friendly tax discounts?


Can you perhaps enlighten us?

I’m all ears - perhaps the Irish did amazing copywriting -

Te be sure this feckin phone is fecken amazing loike - it’s got that feckin apple intelligence that just bloody grand yer know.

If yer don’t boi one of dese feckin tings yerve got bats in yer belfry boyo


Dere ya go Mr Cook dat’ll be farty two billion dollars ta. Don’t take British pounds I hate them Brit bastards loike.

Feckin mooney fer jam dis innit?


Now where’s dat feckin useless bloke picklejuice from Australia ter think of lame excuses fer this twaddle?

 

[kranky al]

Then if you want to report Musk's prediction, interview Kohler as well and let him provide his analysis. Musk is not nobody in the situation you described. His viewpoint is news. The independence or lack thereof is reportable fact (Musk owns the stock he is talking up, Kohler is not involved in the operations of Tesla - both facts).

Again, the CSIRO's independence and the organisation that did the Coalition's costings and their situation are all reportable facts. The reason we know the CSIRO's views is that they were reported widely.

I don't think we have a media diversity problem - we have a consumption of a diversity of media problem, and that is something each individual person can address.

Shall we quantify this?

Light all Right wing media sources then list all left and see where the chips fall?

 

[The Punter]

Shall we quantify this?

Light all Right wing media sources then list all left and see where the chips fall?

You can do what you like. I won't comment on your list, but almost certainly someone will take issue with your categorisation of some media outlet as either left or right.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Shall we quantify this?

Light all Right wing media sources then list all left and see where the chips fall?

Would be a pointless exercise.
There are some nutters on here that think the Guardian is right wing.

And is this restricted to Australia?
What sort of media?

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I don't think we have a media diversity problem - we have a consumption of a diversity of media problem, and that is something each individual person can address.

Of course you don't. Your side of the fence benefits from the lack of diversity.

 

[kranky al]

Would be a pointless exercise.
There are some nutters on here that think the Guardian is right wing.

And is this restricted to Australia?
What sort of media?

Well seeing as we are in Australia let’s say Australian

And let’s say news, radio and tv

 

[Gralin]

Then if you want to report Musk's prediction, interview Kohler as well and let him provide his analysis. Musk is not nobody in the situation you described. His viewpoint is news. The independence or lack thereof is reportable fact (Musk owns the stock he is talking up, Kohler is not involved in the operations of Tesla - both facts).

Again, the CSIRO's independence and the organisation that did the Coalition's costings and their situation are all reportable facts. The reason we know the CSIRO's views is that they were reported widely.

I don't think we have a media diversity problem - we have a consumption of a diversity of media problem, and that is something each individual person can address.

You don't think we have a media diversity problem? It's not a new issue

Is Australia’s media market one of the world’s most concentrated?

Was shadow minister for communications Michelle Rowland right when she said Australia’s level of media ownership concentration is one of the highest in the world?

theconversation.com

This is from 8 years ago and at the time over half the print news was owned by Murdoch


in 2011 we were the third most concentrated market behind China and Egypt

Australia's newspaper ownership is among the most concentrated in the world

Australia’s newspaper industry ranked third in 2011, behind state-owned media of China and Egypt

www.theguardian.com

We've not gotten more diverse either

 

[RedStarUncle]

You can do what you like. I won't comment on your list, but almost certainly someone will take issue with your categorisation of some media outlet as either left or right.

Maybe another way to do it... list out all the owners of major media outlets in Australia, and categorise them by whether they personally benefit from a LNP government or an ALP government.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Media owners are not that stupid mate. It would be pointless trying to compete in a race to the bottom. Additionally corporate media is backed by advertisers and advertisers want their product associated with their target demographic.

The HUN and Sky News are leading that race to the bottom by the length of the Flemington straight. The race has well and truly begun.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

So you haven’t quite figured out how you are going to defend your hilarious assertion that tax should be paid where the value is created on a product designed in America, built in China with the tax paid in the low low low tax harbour of Ireland?

I wonder what value the Irish create - I mean aside from you know….. friendly tax discounts?


Can you perhaps enlighten us?

I’m all ears - perhaps the Irish did amazing copywriting -

Te be sure this feckin phone is fecken amazing loike - it’s got that feckin apple intelligence that just bloody grand yer know.

If yer don’t boi one of dese feckin tings yerve got bats in yer belfry boyo


Dere ya go Mr Cook dat’ll be farty two billion dollars ta. Don’t take British pounds I hate them Brit bastards loike.

Feckin mooney fer jam dis innit?


Now where’s dat feckin useless bloke picklejuice from Australia ter think of lame excuses fer this twaddle?

Section 815-125 defines arm's length conditions for transfer pricing purposes, specifically Section 815-125(2)(b) which looks at the functions performed, assets used and risks borne by the entities.

 

[Saint]

Mate, LNP factions aren't always clear to party members. Sometimes I joke that I need a briefing entering a party meeting to know who is and is not talking to who this time.

ALP factions are there for all to see - they are part of the building fabric of the organisation. In many respects, this makes things easier for them.

The parliamentary party split between conservatives (god botherers) and traditional LNP (small Govt people) is pretty clear, even just based off their background. ALP are a bunch of lawyers who will take on whichever values their faction tells them they have, and it changes depending on who has the numbers. Factions will just change policies

 

[kranky al]

Section 815-125 defines arm's length conditions for transfer pricing purposes, specifically Section 815-125(2)(b) which looks at the functions performed, assets used and risks borne by the entities.

We were discussing where the value was created vs where the tax was paid.

I’m all for discussing section 815 - 125 when you respond to the first point …

 

[Rotayjay]

A couple of observations:

The Liberal Party has appointed a Shadow Assistant Minister for Home Ownership. The LNP pretending to be on the side of first home buyers. Laughable.

The Shadow Minister for the Nuclear Scam cough I mean Energy has criticised Labor's plan for assuming 98% of all new car sales will eventually be EVs. That's part of the basis for the Coalition's plan delivering 42 percent less energy.

That's because all the major manufacturers will stop making internal combustion cars, you ****ing numbskull. **** me - you couldn't make this up.

 

[Rotayjay]

Yeah the 'Howard's Battler' voters who are only 'battlers' because they waster inordinate amounts of money by living far beyond their means.

I don't ever want to hear a tradie complaining about money when the reason most of them are 'broke' is because they piss it all away.

I have noticed that - while many are genuinely struggling - others are taking the piss and just aren't used to living a bit more frugally. Not being able to go to the bottleo and spend $100 every third day doesn't count as struggling.

And don't get me started on those saying they need a holiday. If you have time off work and can't afford to go away, too bad - stay home and relax.