Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-
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And at the same time use tax payers money to build nuclear.
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Gralin
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When over 50% of the newspapers in circulation are owned by one guy and the same people that own print own radio and tv
And 90% of coverage goes back to 3 billionaires that isn't diversity
We have one of the most concentrated media markets in the world the fact you're suggesting this isn't a problem shows that you don't care because it's owned by people you agree with
Assume away Gralin - it's probably one of the few things you are good at.
Even if you broke up the Herald Sun, Tele, Courier Mail etc into different ownership, they would still do the same thing. They're doing it because it makes money. Every now and then a journalist gets all uppity and wants to publish the truth in an article which highlights misdeeds of a sponsor and that gets quashed, but that would happen, billionaire or not.
Or they'd go out of business and be replaced by one who was.
There is more media available to suit everyone's individual tastes than ever before. This idea that people just rely on the Herald Sun for their news is prehistoric.
I can read newspapers from all over the globe before I have breakfast in the morning. All at the click of a button.
There are Left leaning media like The Guardian and The Saturday Paper in Australia. The problem is nobody wants to read them.
Is that because they are unreadable or there is simply no market for them?
Maybe people need to look at themselves as to why Left leaning media does not sell.
I mean, the Guardian has a higher readership than The Age and the ABC is the most viewed news website in Australia but hey, facts eh?
If your issue is not enough people read the media outlets you think they should read, you really have a problem with the people.
They are out there, plenty of them, and this has been demonstrated.
They are out there, plenty of them, and this has been demonstrated.
The Guardian is Australia wide - The Age is Melbourne centric. Apples and oranges.
A more valid comparison would be combining SMH with The Age versus The Guardian.
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There is a market for them. It's more in the competition for eyeballs people go to the more sensationalist click bait stuff than the boring.
Right wing media tends to be more of the former.
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if you think 3 billionaires owning the majority of media in this country is diversity then you don't know what diversity is
if you think its good for democracy then you're naive
if you really don't care then again its because it's pushing the country in the direction you want
If you think ownership doesn't impact content....
Bezos bought up newspapers that were critical of Amazon and now they aren't
Murdoch worked out a long time ago that controlling the message in media was a good way to get the outcomes he wanted, if you break them up they aren't all owned by one person with one goal
they might still be shit outlets but they're then actually competing with each other instead of working together
this isn't about what people are choosing to read or view its about the fact that the majority of those choices are an illusion
this isn't unqiue to media, "competing" consumer goods come out of the same factories all the time and are owned by the same company
no my issue is that too few people have control over too much of the media
I think this is a fairly minimal impact. Most of those papers he bought up were on their knees anyway. The Washington Post, which Bezos owns, is losing $100m per year, and he bought it for $250m. It has a paper circulation of 130,000, that's less than half the Herald Sun. (Sure, it's all digital now, but that's not the business he bought).
He's subsidising that provision of news services himself to the tune of $100m per annum.
There's still non-billionaire options around, too. The best news is not corporate and hasn't been for long before the Billionaires started buying them up.
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you're completely missing the point
they are happy to lose money on this because they gain from it elsewhere
It's like Musk tipping millions into Trumps campaign
they see a direct benefit to themselves in spending this money
they see benefit in having news outlets that publish what they want or don't publish what they don't want
its not about corporate media being good or bad, its everywhere all the time
people get the headlines whether they read the articles or not, they get the posts on social media about it
and its clearly working
people rightly point out that countries where all media is state run are problematic but seem to worry less about the billionaire class doing the same in other countries
both are bad
anyway this isn't a thread specifically about media ownership so I'll leave it there
Yet you don’t want to demonstrate them.
The point locally is that progressives who should be proposing higher taxes (or simply less loop-holes) on corporates are always going to be attacked by the corporate media. Instead of being in fear, they should work with only sensible news agencies.
It's exactly what Daniel Andrews did and he improved his election success every election despite an apopleptic legacy media.
People are sensible enough to look past it now (mostly), but it's always going to help conservatives regardless if it's a board of management or oligarch.
Well that's the fault of those media if they are boring and they get less eyeballs.
Writing a story is easy. Writing a story that people want to read is the hard part. They need to get better at their jobs because at this point in time mass hypnotism to make people want to read boring shit instead of entertaining shit does not exist.
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Left-leaning and right-leaning media, even with a bit of mayo, is not a major problem.
When it starts mixing opinion into what's being reported as news, or even worse sponsored content, that's a bit of a problem.
When that's combined with a fringe "news" element that pushes an agenda hard and with a focus on infotainment, and actively paying to get that media in front of eyes through social media and online reproduction... that starts to drag the whole system one way.
If the only solution to that is to argue that "you could have an equally sensationalist version of news pushing the other side of politics", then we may as well put a line through truth in media. And you can start thinking about putting a line through democracy on the back of that.
When it starts mixing opinion into what's being reported as news, or even worse sponsored content, that's a bit of a problem.
When that's combined with a fringe "news" element that pushes an agenda hard and with a focus on infotainment, and actively paying to get that media in front of eyes through social media and online reproduction... that starts to drag the whole system one way.
If the only solution to that is to argue that "you could have an equally sensationalist version of news pushing the other side of politics", then we may as well put a line through truth in media. And you can start thinking about putting a line through democracy on the back of that.
In fairness, over the last 2 years the Treasurer has tried to take the credit for surpluses that were driven by commodity prices... Live by the sword, die by the sword.
This one is a genuine failure that has hurt Austalians, the treasurers excuse "people decided to stay longer' is pretty lame since the government approved those visa extensions. Easy fix, direct the aps today that no further visa extensions will be provided for non skilled people who apply as of now. Of course government won't as the like the libs they are addicted to the fake economic growth immigration brings (we do need immigration but need to.focus on people who have skills we need and can't train Australians to do in time - real skills like aged care and construction not nail salon staff and yoga instructors)
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