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Bloods86 said:
It's literally the headline and sub-headline that the paper wants people to focus on. It's just another example of trying to steer perceptions and paint it in a negative light.

What is bizarre, but yet unsurprising, is you not being able to do even simple media analysis.
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Yep.

You can see it today in NSW with the industrial action. You'll notice it today when they say "It's the train drivers on strike" when infact drivers, guards, station staff, cleaners and whatnot. Then they will also go "Drivers earn Insert some figure that requires you to work every single public holiday, maximum and work during time's penalty rates apply"

All designed to outrage the average person.

Media companies know said person don't deep dive into the facts. So they try to spin the narrative in thier favor.
 
Rob R said:
As I said she is an improvement on the past but it is becoming very clear all she does is talk, isn't achieving anything. More of a (very smart).lecturer than a leader.

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also worth remembering - trade on a number of items with china has resumed under wongs stewardship

no bluff or bluster from a preacher man trying to appease his imbecilic US counterpart ...... no chest beating from a thug ex-qld copper more interested in laughing at rising sea levels than at dealing with the regional challenges of foreign policy ..... just quiet diplomacy behind the scenes arresting a failed relationship caused by conservative he-men foolishly thinking they were bigger and tougher than they were

people may call that weak - they are free to ..... i call it deftly handled politics in an increasingly volatile world that is embracing unhinged lunacy at a rapid rate
 
Pakenhamsaint said:
Yep.

You can see it today in NSW with the industrial action. You'll notice it today when they say "It's the train drivers on strike" when infact drivers, guards, station staff, cleaners and whatnot. Then they will also go "Drivers earn Insert some figure that requires you to work every single public holiday, maximum and work during time's penalty rates apply"

All designed to outrage the average person.

Media companies know said person don't deep dive into the facts. So they try to spin the narrative in thier favor.
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They are simply telling the story so that its relateable to the average person meaning that person will consume their product.

There is no great mystery or conspiracy. Its a business trying to generate revenue.
If you disagree with how the product is marketed or the product itself, then don't purchase it.
 

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Pakenhamsaint said:
Yep.

You can see it today in NSW with the industrial action. You'll notice it today when they say "It's the train drivers on strike" when infact drivers, guards, station staff, cleaners and whatnot. Then they will also go "Drivers earn Insert some figure that requires you to work every single public holiday, maximum and work during time's penalty rates apply"

All designed to outrage the average person.

Media companies know said person don't deep dive into the facts. So they try to spin the narrative in thier favor.
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you should realise this is what they do with every type of protest or strike action

you can see this here because the topic is one you know enough about

but this is the standard model when reporting on pretty much anything

distort, exaggerate, misrepresent

all designed to outrage the average person


because outrage drives more engagement and clicks
 
MPMonkeys said:
They are simply telling the story so that its relateable to the average person meaning that person will consume their product.

There is no great mystery or conspiracy. Its a business trying to generate revenue.
If you disagree with how the product is marketed or the product itself, then don't purchase it.
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No great mystery is correct, but you somehow still miss what's going on.
 
An honest question to the board. In all honesty what effect do you believe the Murdoch media is having on the electorate? As you have all been bleating it’s been the same way for years yet at the last election the LNP primary vote was extremely low. The way you lot bang on about the media you’d assume that the LNP primary would be exorbitant high. But it’s clearly not. So the question is.. what effect is it actually having?
I have my views but every thread is infiltrated by the same rhetoric.
 
MPMonkeys said:
They are simply telling the story so that its relateable to the average person meaning that person will consume their product.

There is no great mystery or conspiracy. Its a business trying to generate revenue.
If you disagree with how the product is marketed or the product itself, then don't purchase it.
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They're being dishonest. It's basically lying by omission
 
Boxo004 said:
An honest question to the board. In all honesty what effect do you believe the Murdoch media is having on the electorate? As you have all been bleating it’s been the same way for years yet at the last election the LNP primary vote was extremely low. The way you lot bang on about the media you’d assume that the LNP primary would be exorbitant high. But it’s clearly not. So the question is.. what effect is it actually having?
I have my views but every thread is infiltrated by the same rhetoric.
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Without the Murdoch press indigenous people probably have Voice by now.
 
Boxo004 said:
An honest question to the board. In all honesty what effect do you believe the Murdoch media is having on the electorate? As you have all been bleating it’s been the same way for years yet at the last election the LNP primary vote was extremely low. The way you lot bang on about the media you’d assume that the LNP primary would be exorbitant high. But it’s clearly not. So the question is.. what effect is it actually having?
I have my views but every thread is infiltrated by the same rhetoric.
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It doesn't have to push people to vote for the Coalition 1st preference. Just make conservative policies and myths seem like obvious common sense, and Labor seem worse than the Coalition, and the preferences will find their way to the Coalition or a friendlier minor party/independent in the end.

It's not only Murdoch media. There's other conservative outlets or at least those favouring the status quo. Talkback radio, lazy TV news coverage play a part.

Local papers in regional/rural areas aren't also really going to go too hard on conservative MPs, because their audience has been told for decades about all the scary things Labor and the Greens want to do, via national/state media, and would turn on them.
 
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Boxo004 said:
An honest question to the board. In all honesty what effect do you believe the Murdoch media is having on the electorate? As you have all been bleating it’s been the same way for years yet at the last election the LNP primary vote was extremely low. The way you lot bang on about the media you’d assume that the LNP primary would be exorbitant high. But it’s clearly not. So the question is.. what effect is it actually having?
I have my views but every thread is infiltrated by the same rhetoric.
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LNP primary vote is exorbitantly high for the policies and politicians they put forward.

Be honest - you wouldn't hire many of them as school teachers or accountants (for example), would you?
So why would you vote for them?
 

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Bloods86 said:
It doesn't have to push people to vote for the Coalition 1st preference. Just make conservative policies and myths seem like obvious common sense, and Labor seem worse than the Coalition, and the preferences will find their way to the Coalition or a friendlier minor party/independent in the end.

It's not only Murdoch media. There's other conservative outlets or at least those favouring the status quo. Talkback radio, lazy TV news coverage play a part.

Local papers in regional/rural areas aren't also really going to go too hard on conservative MPs, because their audience has been told for decades about all the scary things Labor and the Greens want to do, via national/state media, and would turn on them.
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Must be great to have a bogey-man to blame for everything. That way, you are never wrong or have to question anything. It’s all someone else’s fault

Never heard so much dribble on here before. Albanese is ruining Albanese. He is a crap PM and is being called out for it. Now you can pretend all is rosy and blame the bogey-man or you can look at how you realistically turn it around.

Playing the blame game is a losers game. If any of you were campaigning for Labor on that platform then you would sleep walk your way into an even more certain loss. Nobody wants a bunch of losers in government who have a tantrum when things don’t go that way. They want someone who will fight and stand up for their values.

That simply is why Dutton will be next PM and Labor will be gutted at the next election barring any miracle. And I’m happy for this to be bookmarked.
 
Boxo004 said:
An honest question to the board. In all honesty what effect do you believe the Murdoch media is having on the electorate? As you have all been bleating it’s been the same way for years yet at the last election the LNP primary vote was extremely low. The way you lot bang on about the media you’d assume that the LNP primary would be exorbitant high. But it’s clearly not. So the question is.. what effect is it actually having?
I have my views but every thread is infiltrated by the same rhetoric.
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They definitely distort the narrative but the issue is less the influence they have on the electorate (declining readership and viewership) and more on the government.

Most people get their news from online publications (and the ABC leads this in readership) and social media (sharing links back to MSM).

Posters are right in that the business model is about ginning up outrage, but News Corp is one player amongst many in that space. They amp outrage because that drives clicks that drives advertising.

Unfortunately, it is human nature to gravitate towards the worst of us (the old "if it bleeds, it leads"), so that business model isn't going away anytime soon.

The weakness is in governments that capitulate to whatever outrage agenda is being driven through media, especially when they had an example in Andrews in Victoria, that it was perfectly possible to ignore right-wing media and control your narrative.

Albanese seems especially vulnerable to responding to soundbite or non-essential issue of the day, and I really don't understand why he does it.

His message for the past 18 months should have been "I know you're doing it tough, here's why it is tough all over the world and we're working to help you", backed with policies obviously. And that should have been the answer to every question whether it's about Israel-Palestine, Australia Day, trans rights, nuclear power etc.

Just keep ramming it home until the media is bored because it's at that point that the electorate starts listening.
 
swingdog said:
They definitely distort the narrative but the issue is less the influence they have on the electorate (declining readership and viewership) and more on the government.

Most people get their news from online publications (and the ABC leads this in readership) and social media (sharing links back to MSM).

Posters are right in that the business model is about ginning up outrage, but News Corp is one player amongst many in that space. They amp outrage because that drives clicks that drives advertising.

Unfortunately, it is human nature to gravitate towards the worst of us (the old "if it bleeds, it leads"), so that business model isn't going away anytime soon.

The weakness is in governments that capitulate to whatever outrage agenda is being driven through media, especially when they had an example in Andrews in Victoria, that it was perfectly possible to ignore right-wing media and control your narrative.

Albanese seems especially vulnerable to responding to soundbite or non-essential issue of the day, and I really don't understand why he does it.

His message for the past 18 months should have been "I know you're doing it tough, here's why it is tough all over the world and we're working to help you", backed with policies obviously. And that should have been the answer to every question whether it's about Israel-Palestine, Australia Day, trans rights, nuclear power etc.

Just keep ramming it home until the media is bored because it's at that point that the electorate starts listening.
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That is a sensible post.
 
MPMonkeys said:
Must be great to have a bogey-man to blame for everything. That way, you are never wrong or have to question anything. It’s all someone else’s fault

Never heard so much dribble on here before. Albanese is ruining Albanese. He is a crap PM and is being called out for it. Now you can pretend all is rosy and blame the bogey-man or you can look at how you realistically turn it around.

Playing the blame game is a losers game. If any of you were campaigning for Labor on that platform then you would sleep walk your way into an even more certain loss. Nobody wants a bunch of losers in government who have a tantrum when things don’t go that way. They want someone who will fight and stand up for their values.

That simply is why Dutton will be next PM and Labor will be gutted at the next election barring any miracle. And I’m happy for this to be bookmarked.
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Must be nice to have a script in your head that you can respond to/with, regardless of whatever other people may or may not have said.

Your world where we think all is rosy, there's only external blame etc is a fiction of your own mind.

I and others have criticised Labor, Albo etc on here repeatedly over his term. I was focusing on US politics for a bit though (similar stance where the incumbent has not been good/great, but better than the alternative).

There have been times where a few have gone over the top imo in their defence of Albo, Labor. But when I also have a bunch of simplistic slogans and falsehoods being slung by the anti-Albo / pro Coalition brigade, then yeah, that's where I'll focus. Imagine that's the same for many here.

Dutton might stand for the values of some, but he certainly won't make a positive difference to the cost of living issues faced by many, that are the main cause of concern. If he wins, it'll be a PR victory, not based on substance.
 
swingdog said:
They definitely distort the narrative but the issue is less the influence they have on the electorate (declining readership and viewership) and more on the government.

Most people get their news from online publications (and the ABC leads this in readership) and social media (sharing links back to MSM).

Posters are right in that the business model is about ginning up outrage, but News Corp is one player amongst many in that space. They amp outrage because that drives clicks that drives advertising.

Unfortunately, it is human nature to gravitate towards the worst of us (the old "if it bleeds, it leads"), so that business model isn't going away anytime soon.

The weakness is in governments that capitulate to whatever outrage agenda is being driven through media, especially when they had an example in Andrews in Victoria, that it was perfectly possible to ignore right-wing media and control your narrative.

Albanese seems especially vulnerable to responding to soundbite or non-essential issue of the day, and I really don't understand why he does it.

His message for the past 18 months should have been "I know you're doing it tough, here's why it is tough all over the world and we're working to help you", backed with policies obviously. And that should have been the answer to every question whether it's about Israel-Palestine, Australia Day, trans rights, nuclear power etc.

Just keep ramming it home until the media is bored because it's at that point that the electorate starts listening.
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The strategy of being a small target so you can get a 2nd term seems to have had a monumental shift to being a small target so you can be in minority government and then lose the election after that.
 
MPMonkeys said:
The most popular outcome is usually the best outcome as it satisfies the majority of the people. And people are usually the best judges as to what is best for them. Despite the elitist left continually sneering at them.
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This is what insanity looks like, this is what gave rise to fascism through media manipulation and threats of retribution.
This is what happened to the so called elitist, intelligentsia in Germany.
Join in, leave or be unalived.
The fact that this person can so easily dismiss historical events is not surprising at all, given his plethora of stupefyingly stupid posting on these boards.
That’s why we have another term of trump and could end up with a mutton government here, the wilful ignorance masquerading as more than mere opinion is a giant red flag for a new dangerous society.
I won’t be spoken to like this, I will resist, violently if necessary, I have more skin in this game than this post teenage idiocy!👍
 

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