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Are Indigenous/Dark footballers more gifted than Caucasians?
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i also find this thread racist. imagine if some wrote a thread saying caucasians are smarter than indigenous people, we need to stop this racism and join our two cultres together
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Never heard of Eric Moussambani?
In a conversation whose title is 'Are Indigenous/Dark footballers more gifted than Caucasians?' I'd reckon equality, or lack thereof, on the genetic level has EVERYTHING to do it.
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Franklin isn't eligible to be plonked on the aboriginal side when he's obviously got a fair bit of caucasian in him too.
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Isn't that why there's so many non full blooded aboriginals?
We've been joining cultures at the hips for years now
By that logic neither woul Wanganeen.
You may want to look up what the definition of "Being Aboriginal is. And be surprised to learn that Jason Gillespie is also considered Aboriginal.
You may want to look up what the definition of "Being Aboriginal is. And be surprised to learn that Jason Gillespie is also considered Aboriginal.
By the same token he's not exactly a 'white dude', is he? And Geelong's Matthew Stokes is part... it's either Fijiian or Samoan. So he's not entirely indigenous Australian either. Was Gavin Wanganeen a 'full-blood'?
Still, all these players benefit (at least in part) from the indigenous blood that runs through them. Are they better? Some would say they're more freaky but then again, so are Geelong 'white dudes' Steve Johnson and the two Gary Abletts.
No, I wasn't having a go at your comment, I said that in response to the followup-
Maybe the poster didn't express themselves well, but that sounded to me like the standard bitch and moan about affirmative action or something. Human rights and genetic makeup are totally separate things.
Yeah, fair enough
I thought he differentiated between a 'general' equality as human beings and having a racial/genetic 'edge' as it applies to sporting prowess.
Maybe the fact that there is no 50m swimming pools, world class golf courses and facilities, F1 (farrari's) or tennis courts in third world countries is a bit of a contributing factor.
Just a thought??
Makes no difference whatsoever..the OP's premise is that indigenous players are more gifted than caucasions....if that was the case then if only 1 indigenous player played the game he would be the best player.
this is far from the case..so the answer is NO, indigenous players are not inherently more gifted than caucasions .
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Well in Franklin's case his height would come from his caucasian family lines.
As would those green eyes.
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Mate thats a dam big call when you dont know anything about me. I am not racist, I was asking a question that a lot of people probably think about, but have never raised. Thats all their was to it. If you have misinterpreted the meaning behing the thread, I apologise.
I wouldnt really call Franklin aboriginal. Nor Peter and Phil Matera.
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No. Indigenous people are over-represented in AFL because it's one of the few sports they play. To gauge their sporting ability compared to caucasions we need to look at the distribution across all sports, and you will probably find it's very much the same percentage as the percentage of total population (1.5-2%).
It's also incorrect. "Black people are stronger", it claims. No, they are generally faster, more athletic, and agile. But if you look at the men who dominate strongmen competitions, olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, UFC, olympic throwing, armwrestling - they're all scandinavian, british, russian, or white americans. Pure strength actually goes to the white man, and it's a myth that african-americans are stronger.
Strongest deadlifter in the world - Andy Bolton (UK).
Strongest benchpresser in the world - Ryan Kennelly (USA).
Not trying to take anything away from them, but just dispelling a myth
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I don't know if they are more gifted, but one thing about Aboriginal footballers (without comparing them to any other ethnicity) is that most, if not all, seem to be able to produce that 'magic' moment in a match. Producing something out of nothing, making the crowd go 'how the ____ did he do that?'
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I'm sorry, but this whole thread is such rubbish...
You've never seen a white guy back heal a goal (Lloyd)...you've never seen a black guy do something stupid?
You've never seen a white guy do something "magic"?
For every Leon Davis or Budd Franklin moment there's one (or more) Dale Thomas or Jason Akermanis...
...just like for every Peter Cransburg there's a Willie Dick!
Some of the physiological "arguments" here are hilarious...but no...in answer to the thread question, "why did I bother?" springs to mind.
when they have one ill let u know
but def. right up there with some of the worse things they have done
well thats what they say their heritage is
yes indeed, and that's the end of that.
One thing that might be relevant (or not) is that Aboriginees apparently have a longer (?) Achilles tendon which better enables vertical leaping it seems.
Don't ask me - I saw it on the Discovery channel, or SBS, or something..
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Genetics DOES have something to do with it. as someone stated in this thread, one side of africa is good at long distance and the other short distance and that comes down to genetics. one side of africa has bigger cells (might not be cells but something similar) whilst the other has smaller. this would be due to the way hey have evolved i would say. however genetics does not determine how well you are at sport, it just makes it easier because you have that natural ability.
yet again, as someone stated earlier, people are better at some sports because thats what they grew up with. compare a kid who has a soccer ball all the time from birth ie. the south american's, to someone who plays with a ball twice a week. it becomes a way of life. and because you spend so much time with that ball your able to do anything with it because they spend so much time with the ball. smae thing goes for africian american's with basketball. they play it so often from such a young age that they can do anything with it .
but it also comes down to the persons hunger to be the best at their sport. look at the judd from two years ago. he works harder than any other footballer there is and ultimately that is what will get you to the top of your sport.
yet again, as someone stated earlier, people are better at some sports because thats what they grew up with. compare a kid who has a soccer ball all the time from birth ie. the south american's, to someone who plays with a ball twice a week. it becomes a way of life. and because you spend so much time with that ball your able to do anything with it because they spend so much time with the ball. smae thing goes for africian american's with basketball. they play it so often from such a young age that they can do anything with it .
but it also comes down to the persons hunger to be the best at their sport. look at the judd from two years ago. he works harder than any other footballer there is and ultimately that is what will get you to the top of your sport.
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This is an interesting topic. One thing that has always intrigued me about indigenous footballers is that a large proportion of them (i.e. seemingly a larger proportion than non-indigenous players) seem to have this sixth sense about what's around them during a game. A certain freakishness and unpredictability of movement as well.
But to answer the topic question, no, you couldn't possibly say with any conviction that they are more or less gifted than players of other races/origins. We have seen outstanding players emerge from several different backgrounds which throws that idea out the window. I do however think there is something to be said for various skill sets/qualities being more prominent in indigenous players than others.
But to answer the topic question, no, you couldn't possibly say with any conviction that they are more or less gifted than players of other races/origins. We have seen outstanding players emerge from several different backgrounds which throws that idea out the window. I do however think there is something to be said for various skill sets/qualities being more prominent in indigenous players than others.
yes indeed, and that's the end of that.
One thing that might be relevant (or not) is that Aboriginees apparently have a longer (?) Achilles tendon which better enables vertical leaping it seems.
Don't ask me - I saw it on the Discovery channel, or SBS, or something..
yeah ive heard that as well
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