Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

Welcome to the Ask an Atheist thread II.

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Roylion]

And is this supposed to mean anything?

 

[Roylion]

God has let mankind run its own race, to its own destruction, yet he has given us the Light.

No it hasn't.

 

[Vdubs]

No it hasn't.

True, you are yet to see and appreciate the light.

 

[Vdubs]

And is this supposed to mean anything?

Indeed it is. But not to you evidently. Not important.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

True, you are yet to see and appreciate the light.

And you are yet to provide a shred of evidence to back this up other than “it appears this way to me”.

 

[Vdubs]

And you are yet to provide a shred of evidence to back this up other than “it appears this way to me”.

You people who frequent this thread, searching or chastising, are ample evidence, as is the case for those who have found the light.

 

[evolved2]

Showing zero evidence for your existence doesn't seem like successful methodology for trying to save the entire worlds population.

Seems more like a scam, no?

Church people are funny. They spend Sunday morning together in an act of cosplay, pretending their prayers are being answered and god is good to them. The ability of humans to delude themselves has no bounds.

How can so many delude themselves into believing a loving entity will send most of humanity to a place of eternal torment for thought crimes?

 

[evolved2]

You people who frequent this thread, searching or chastising, are ample evidence, as is the case for those who have found the light.

Are you suggesting that atheists' critique of Christianity is strong evidence for the truthfulness of your faith?

 

[Roylion]

True, you are yet to see and appreciate the light.

I see no reason to "see and appreciate the light". You certainly haven't provided any reason for me to do so.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You people who frequent this thread, searching or chastising, are ample evidence, as is the case for those who have found the light.

“evidence” LOL.

Someone would sell their soul to an entirely unproven belief on the strength of comments by anonymous atheists on a footy website?

 

[evolved2]

Top 10 signs you're a fundie. Looks like Vdubs has pulled off a variant of no.3.

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs – though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

 

[evolved2]

“evidence” LOL.

Someone would sell their soul to an entirely unproven belief on the strength of comments by anonymous atheists on a footy website?

You believing that Essendon wont win the 2025 premiership is strong evidence that we will!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You believing that Essendon wont win the 2025 premiership is strong evidence that we will!

Great, coz I have no confidence the Swans will ever win a grand final ever again, so I guess that means we’re going to hoist the 2025 cup aloft.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Top 10 signs you're a fundie. Looks like Vdubs has pulled off a variant of no.3.

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs – though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

Well, when you put it like that…

 

[evolved2]

Great, coz I have no confidence the Swans will ever win a grand final ever again,so I guess that means we’re going to hoist the 2025 cup aloft.

Absolute proof of a Sydney dynasty starting 2025. Put your life savings on it.

 

[Vdubs]

Top 10 signs you're a fundie. Looks like Vdubs has pulled off a variant of no.3.

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs – though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

Fyi, I have never engaged in the speaking of tongues. And have no desire to. So your stereotyping fails yet again.

 

[evolved2]

Fyi, I have never engaged in the speaking of tongues. And have no desire to. So your stereotyping fails yet again.

I said you pulled off a variant, not a word for word replication.

I was even more of a fundie than you are. Speaking in tongues is easy.

 

[Vdubs]

I said you pulled off a variant, not a word for word replication.

I was even more of a fundie than you are. Speaking in tongues is easy.

I have never been a fundamentalist, but I have a pretty strong faith.

 

[evolved2]

I have never been a fundamentalist, but I have a pretty strong faith.

I'd break through given enough time and access. Faith is very fragile in educated people.

 

[Total Power]

You people who frequent this thread, searching or chastising, are ample evidence, as is the case for those who have found the light.

And the same 'light' applies to every other religion too, or just yours? How about those who have seen the light of Islam? record conversions from Christianity to Islam last year. But that doesn't count hey?

You really need to look up on what selection bias is. I don't know you know what evidence mean.

 

[Total Power]

I have never been a fundamentalist, but I have a pretty strong faith.

You are a fundie, a lite fundie, but still one. You have denied science time and time again here. From denying evolution to obvious facts in archaeology and geology you have done it all. To top is all that like a fundie you believe your religion is the only right religion. Thanks to the Gospel of John, you are what you are. You do not care where the gospels come from, no facts, evidence needed. Now look up on the defintion of fundamentalism.

 

[Total Power]

I'd break through given enough time and access. Faith is very fragile in educated people.

Inverse correlation between IQ and religiosity. This thread is the proof of it.

 

[Total Power]

You people who frequent this thread, searching or chastising, are ample evidence, as is the case for those who have found the light.

Think of it this way. In the Christian tradition, heaven consists of living in the presence of God, praising him for eternity. Hell is the absence of God. Now, you know how people in North Korea would be really upset if they were forced to live without their dear leader, even though they are without exception irrational, murderous narcissists who threaten and torture anyone who dares oppose them. Well, you wish to live in North Korea but why blame those who want to go live elsewhere?

It's not like the Bible is a shining light on moral standards, if you are to adhere by everything Jesus and the original God asked you to do (remember Moral codes in OT still stand), you will be in jail by now.

So you have seen the light as well, the light of cherry picking while convincing yourself this is what God is asking of you.

Cool

 

[Total Power]

Top 10 signs you're a fundie. Looks like Vdubs has pulled off a variant of no.3.

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs – though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

he pretty much checks most of the boxes here. 10 for starters.
9 he has often done it.
8 yep.
7 oh yeah how many times have i seen him to do that?
6 exactly. Why did god choose an underage woman, yep checks this box too
5 absolutely 100%
4 in his own words 'if you have heard of jesus and dont believe in him god will judge you'... so yes
3. you said it yourself tick
2. lives been changed - lol yep
1. my debate with him in the last 6 years is evidence of this.

10/10 VD...well done.

 

[Vdubs]

Top 10 signs you're a fundie. Looks like Vdubs has pulled off a variant of no.3.

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs – though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

For you Total Power
10. no I don't
9. no I don't
8. I do believe in the Trinity. Full stop.I never laugh at other believers no matter what their faith entails. I'll leave that stuff to you classy individuals.
7. Not at all true
6. I never laugh at any other belief systems. And with God all things are possible, even an Immaculate conception for a 16 yo girl bretrothed to her future husband. Interesting that she was chosen by God for this- it required supreme faith and discipline to go ahead with it, and great that Joseph supported her to the hilt.
5. I have zero problem with establishing the age of Earth
4. Not true- have said countless times here that I believe God will judge each person on the sincerity of their faith and obedience, and I do not know what Heaven and Hell will be like. I will be judged on my sincerity as a Christian, and followrrs of Islam, if they have never been exposed to Christ, will also be judged according to the sincerity of their faith- that's what I tend to believe.
3. Absolutely incorrect
2. I do not define a success rate at all, but there is ZERO doubt that God answers all sincere prayers. How He answers them does not always cajole us immediately, and more often than not, and that teaches us patience and perseverance.
1. I certainly am proud to be a Born Again Christian, and yes, my life has changed dramatically for the better, and I could not give a rats how much anyone else thinks they know or read the Bible etc.