Australia v New Zealand 2nd Test at the MCG December 26-30

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[philreich]

Expecting runs from Wade in the morning, coming in at 3/400 is his speciality

Exactly - he only scores runs against minnows like NZ and England.

 

[Eagleboy68]

From a particular plan of attack?
From bowlers bowling right arm around? From bowlers bowling two feet wide of off stump?

The guy has a record like no one else in modern cricket and suddenly he’s averaging less than 30 since one tiny little glitch was highlighted. You don’t think there’s a pattern there that needs addressing?

Like someone else said. it's too small a sample size.

He's scored 85 and a 43 all with Wagner bowling those shit deliveries along with the others to him.

Its pretty much his Bradman like your of England that has made these scores seem like a failure?

I look at percentages. if he is receiving 80 percent of deliveries short leg side then he is going to be dismissed from pull shots more. especially since they are prone to more variables than straight bat cover drives.
Height, bounce, speed and trajectory of bats swing all have more of an impact on accuracy in batting when playing the pull or hook than normal line and length bowling on a batsman.

it's an issue because we are so used to Smith batting like the Don and the media is beating it all up as the kiwis are being smashed.

if it was small scores like Warne to that South African batsman he called his "bunny" then yeah it is an issue for Smith.

But realistically it's not.

edit. if Smith scores a ton in Sydney then gets out to Wagner playing a pull shot is it still an issue to you?

 

[The Convert]

I would think de Grandhomme as the all rounder

Not bad, would like to see him get a few though

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[Cupid Stunt]

He likely to get him as the rest of the bowlers are pie chuckers. Last Test Smith got himself out swinging. If he can handle Archer a firing Smith isn't going to have that much issues with a bowler bowling bouncers at 130k when he's on song. Like someone said, he's at his best when he has to bail us out at 2/20, not so much at 2/320.

A great common sense post mate!


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[The Convert]

On this series Wagner for Lyon maybe depending where you were playing. Probably no one else. Maybe Taylor for Smith.

Overall Latham for Burns, Williamson and Taylor for Wade and head, Watling for Paine.

Not too bad on both counts

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[swanssince2002]

We all want our players to succeed but no doubt Harris was awful in England. I mean I get it, Smith and Labs were the only ones with pass marks as batters over there but Harris' struggles stuck out like a sore thumb. Only a matter of time before he was dropped.

 

[Woody15]

Thats a shame.

 

[FreoRicci]

Poor New Zealand. Disastrous test series. Everything that could go wrong went wrong.
Boult out first test now the rest of the series. Ferguson gone.
Williamson has been horrendous.
Taylor hasn’t been himself. Santner has been woeful.

 

[wian]

personally they thought they were coming over here confident they were going to trouble us lol.

it's been a huge wake up call for them they've been smashed and need something to cheer.

poor cousin has to.

My wife is a kiwi and I really feel for her as she is an avid Kiwi cricket lover. Sadly, they have given her "Jack Shit" this test series. They are mentally beaten before they walk out. Piss weak.. Sad thing is they are a talented team. They just don't believe in themselves

 

[FreoRicci]

We all want our players to succeed but no doubt Harris was awful in England. I mean I get it, Smith and Labs were the only ones with pass marks as batters over there but Harris' struggles stuck out like a sore thumb. Only a matter of time before he was dropped.

Warner was just as bad. 90 odd in 5 tests. Lucky that Burns, Khawaja and Bancroft haven’t been in form.
Well Warner could be back to normal, given he hasn’t gotten a big score yet. Pakistan was an exception

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Posted from the bushes outside Isa's house

That's commitment, given she and her house are on opposite sides of the world.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Expecting runs from Wade in the morning, coming in at 3/400 is his speciality

Got us out of trouble a couple of times in England.

 

[CrowBloke]

Haven't kept up with this thread.

What excuse is Plugger going with this test? Doctored pitch? Pink ball under lights? Rigged coin toss? DRS favouring us?

All of the above, but every now and then he actually makes sense.

 

[CrowBloke]

If we can replace Santner with Sodhi or any other half decent spinner we might be half a chance too.

Maybe.
in 2022.

 

[Crankitup]

No hope, won’t get over 40,000 tomorrow to watch these minnows get destroyed

That's under the assumption we bowl out NZ in less than a day which despite their 1st innings performance I very much doubt.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Boult out for the series

 

[philreich]

Cummins is only 26 - we may not have seen the best of him yet. He's scary good!!!

 

[eddiesmith]

Got us out of trouble a couple of times in England.

Team was on top in first test with Khawaja and Head making runs and Smith smashing them at the other end. Even Patto would have made a hundred if Paine didn’t declare on him.

Didnt get the team out of trouble at all in the 5th test, just made runs with no pressure as game was lost anyway

 

[Golumless]

My wife is a kiwi and I really feel for her as she is an avid Kiwi cricket lover. Sadly, they have given her "Jack Shit" this test series. They are mentally beaten before they walk out. Piss weak.. Sad thing is they are a talented team. They just don't believe in themselves

It isn't belief hombre. It's cattle.

Unfortunately, 120-130 km bowlers don't get success in Australia, no matter the talent level, unless they have a ridiculously good short ball. That alone has forced them into a war into attrition. This is then compounded with the fact they selected an utter potato as a spinner, which is utterly stupid as a good spinner is vital in Australia, as well as if you are going to fight an attritional battle. Factor in they've then come up against what is probably the strongest batting line up we've had in 5-7 years with Labuschange breaking out, and it was a recipe for disaster.

If only they were here last year, (and of course, had they played two tour matches to acclimatise).

 

[eddiesmith]

That's under the assumption we bowl out NZ in less than a day which despite their 1st innings performance I very much doubt.

The only way this doesnt end tomorrow is if Australia bat for half the day, besides even if NZ crawl to 8/100 at stumps, is anyone going to show up day 5? It’ll be 43 degrees and nothing worth watching, if it makes it to day 5 it’ll make a shield crowd look big

 

[Southerntakeover]

No I wasn’t today but I have spoken in depth to enough people who are over the last 10 years to know what goes on.

Yeah, doubt it.

 

[PhatBoy]

Like someone else said. it's too small a sample size.

He's scored 85 and a 43 all with Wagner bowling those shit deliveries along with the others to him.

Its pretty much his Bradman like your of England that has made these scores seem like a failure?

I look at percentages. if he is receiving 80 percent of deliveries short leg side then he is going to be dismissed from pull shots more. especially since they are prone to more variables than straight bat cover drives.
Height, bounce, speed and trajectory of bats swing all have more of an impact on accuracy in batting when playing the pull or hook than normal line and length bowling on a batsman.

it's an issue because we are so used to Smith batting like the Don and the media is beating it all up as the kiwis are being smashed.

if it was small scores like Warne to that South African batsman he called his "bunny" then yeah it is an issue for Smith.

But realistically it's not.

edit. if Smith scores a ton in Sydney then gets out to Wagner playing a pull shot is it still an issue to you?

It would depend in small part on how he fared to those deliveries in general. If he was cleaning up off them then no of course not. It would be like saying Gayle has a weakness to slog shots - who cares if he’s making half his runs from them. But if he’s scoring all his runs outside off but in considerable trouble when trying to score on the onside then you could probably say that it was an innings that highlighted his quality elsewhere but didn’t dispel the notion that he’s vulnerable to a particular plan of attack.

Obviously it’s a good ‘failure’ to have if you’re hitting a tonne beforehand

 

[ABAB]

No hope, won’t get over 40,000 tomorrow to watch these minnows get destroyed

They beat England 1-0 at home.....

 

[Jimthegreat]

Team was on top in first test with Khawaja and Head making runs and Smith smashing them at the other end. Even Patto would have made a hundred if Paine didn’t declare on him.

Didnt get the team out of trouble at all in the 5th test, just made runs with no pressure as game was lost anyway

We were 90 behind on the first innings of the First Test. Wade came in when we were barely 100 in front, 4 down, and took the game right away from England. Team was in trouble in the 5th Test, didn't win it chasing but he hung in and made a 117. Those two mid 30's came when they were needed badly too, not high scores but enough to get into a partnership that put the game out of England's reach in the 4th Test. He come in at 4/44, was a part of a very valuable 105 run partnership. He then went out in the end chasing runs, Similar in the 3rd Test, come in at 4/90 and was a part of a very valuable 80 run partnership with Labuschagne that should've put the game out of England's reach bar Joel Wilson.

So, as usual, you're talking shit.