2nd ODI Australia v Pakistan, November 8 1400hrs @ Adelaide Oval

[Bradesmaen]

Short and Inglis worth persistence but the others should not be anywhere near selection

Why is Short worth persisting with? He's 29, his domestic career is a patchwork of below average.

 

[The hands of stone]

Writing was on the wall early.
Fraser-mcgurk doesn’t seem to have the footwork or mindset at this level yet. Looks a one trick pony.
Inglis ramp shot in the first 10 overs.

Labuschagne has fallen off the planet..

A pummeling.

Fraser-Mcgurk is what he is . Highly doubt you'll see him tighten his technique or method up .
He is the prototype of the modern short form player . High talent , see ball hit ball and hope it comes off. All eye and hands.

 

[adogsfan5]

Fraser-Mcgurk is what he is . Highly doubt you'll see him tighten his technique or method up .
He is the prototype of the modern short form player . High talent , see ball hit ball and hope it comes off. All eye and hands.

A 20/20 dream. Just not sure he has the tools and patience for 50 over cricket. Unless his coaches just want him going nuts in overs 1-20 and if he goes out, then so be it.

 

[western royboy]

Why is Short worth persisting with? He's 29, his domestic career is a patchwork of below average.

Greg Chappell saw him get 70 off 46 balls in some puss Vic pathway game about 12 years ago and he got a free pass since then…then JFM got a similar ride

No one has been given the ride this bloke has.

I continue to repeat TALENT is the most overrated thing in Australian cricket particularly batting

 

[Bradesmaen]

Greg Chappell saw him get 70 off 46 balls in some puss Vic pathway game about 12 years ago and he got a free pass since then…then JFM got a similar ride

No one has been given the ride this bloke has.

I continue to repeat TALENT is the most overrated thing in Australian cricket particularly batting

Stoinis has been given a better ride so far. A lot of players getting picked on one T20 season and then stick around, but putting up numbers consistently domestically seems to get you nowhere unless you played for the Australian U19 team.

 

[NYRB]

Dan Hughes is the man that should have a crack as opener for me.

Has the runs on the board from last season and heard he had a decent English season of late.



Like the Test positions, with the departure of Warner, the spot is open for a player to partner Travis Head in champions trophy. Fraser-McGurk doesn't get a look in this side if Head is fit. And Labuschagne probably doesn't get a look in the side if Marsh is fit.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Dan Hughes is the man that should have a crack as opener for me.

Has the runs on the board from last season and heard he had a decent English season of late.

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Like the Test positions, with the departure of Warner, the spot is open for a player to partner Travis Head in champions trophy. Fraser-McGurk doesn't get a look in this side if Head is fit. And Labuschagne probably doesn't get a look in the side if Marsh is fit.

Fraser-Mcguirk will be good once he learns he can bat in a lower gear as he has ability. Right now, he has to learn you can't just slog every ball from top, international bowlers, especially against a swinging new ball. He'd be better batting down the order against an older ball right now. That, or not play ODIs at all until he learns to pace himself properly and not hit a 6 every ball as it ends one way.

Must admit, if he can stay in for 45 minutes it will be fun to watch.

 

[western royboy]

Stoinis has been given a better ride so far. A lot of players getting picked on one T20 season and then stick around, but putting up numbers consistently domestically seems to get you nowhere unless you played for the Australian U19 team.

Greg Chappell…once my guru, now just somebody I used to know…he’s behind the step change that ****ed the whole show

 

[Nuggetz]

ffs Australia, was going to kick back with a few bevvies to watch this game at night but they already lost the match. flipping useless.

 

[Westend]

Few people throwing the baby out with the bath water after todays loss

lets calm down and look at the situation

Missing our two best ODI cricketers our opener and number three/captain plus our gun allrounder.....Head Marsh Green missing from out top six...thats a huge hole for any side to fill

lets look at the replacements

Short played 10 games 8 innngs
McGurk 4 games 4 innings
Hardie 10 games 7 innings

even inglis has only played 25 games with only 23 innings and only 5 of them have had him batting at 4

So that's not a lot of experience at this stage

The one who does worry me is Marnus....played over 50 games and still for me has not nailed a position. Honestly I just don't like Smith and Marnus both in the same side

I know its frustrating but this squad recently won 3/2 in england so they have talent...lets back them in and see how they go come perth.....if we get smashed again ...yes we need to look into what we are doing wrong

 

[Westend]

Fraser-Mcguirk will be good once he learns he can bat in a lower gear as he has ability. Right now, he has to learn you can't just slog every ball from top, international bowlers, especially against a swinging new ball. He'd be better batting down the order against an older ball right now. That, or not play ODIs at all until he learns to pace himself properly and not hit a 6 every ball as it ends one way.

Must admit, if he can stay in for 45 minutes it will be fun to watch.

Yeah good call jim...for me he looks the natural replacement to Maxi....and bat seven...where he can come in and have a licence to go for it ....and lets face it maxi has been doing that for years

 

[Nuggetz]

jfm is overrated af. better players would be disgusted with the games he's been gifted.

 

[Westend]

Well come the third game there will be changes

Australia ODI squad: Pat Cummins (c - first two matches), Josh Inglis, (c - third match), Sean Abbott, Xavier Bartlett (third match only), Cooper Connolly, Jake Fraser-McGurk, Aaron Hardie, Josh Hazlewood (second match only), Spencer Johnson (third match only), Marnus Labuschagne (first two matches only), Glenn Maxwell, Lance Morris, Josh Philippe (third match only), Matthew Short, Steve Smith (first two matches only), Mitchell Starc (first two matches only), Marcus Stoinis, Adam Zampa

Short
Phillipe
Inglis Captain
Stoinis
Hardie
Maxie
Connolly
Abbott
Bartlett
Johnson
Morris

Maybe rest Zamps....I would like to see connolly be given a cap

Phillipe to swap with Fraser


Stoinis is in the squad for maybe a farewell game ?? in front of his home crowd

 

[ROOTA#6]

Why is Short worth persisting with? He's 29, his domestic career is a patchwork of below average.

Because he can actually bat. Prior to his big bash form for Adelaide he was making shield hundreds.

 

[Cleavy]

Well come the third game there will be changes

Australia ODI squad: Pat Cummins (c - first two matches), Josh Inglis, (c - third match), Sean Abbott, Xavier Bartlett (third match only), Cooper Connolly, Jake Fraser-McGurk, Aaron Hardie, Josh Hazlewood (second match only), Spencer Johnson (third match only), Marnus Labuschagne (first two matches only), Glenn Maxwell, Lance Morris, Josh Philippe (third match only), Matthew Short, Steve Smith (first two matches only), Mitchell Starc (first two matches only), Marcus Stoinis, Adam Zampa

Short
Phillipe
Inglis Captain
Stoinis
Hardie
Maxie
Connolly
Abbott
Bartlett
Johnson
Morris

Maybe rest Zamps....I would like to see connolly be given a cap

Phillipe to swap with Fraser


Stoinis is in the squad for maybe a farewell game ?? in front of his home crowd

so many no-rounders...

 

[jannissary]

Greg Chappell saw him get 70 off 46 balls in some puss Vic pathway game about 12 years ago and he got a free pass since then…then JFM got a similar ride

No one has been given the ride this bloke has.

I continue to repeat TALENT is the most overrated thing in Australian cricket particularly batting

has been for a long time. not shocked we lost, our batting is shit and likely will continue to be shit for a long time.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Because he can actually bat. Prior to his big bash form for Adelaide he was making shield hundreds.

Oh yes, Shield. That's the same as one day cricket.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Honestly who cares, ODIs are pointless outside the World Cup and that's years away

JFM and Short can both piss off though

 

[FreoRicci]

Hollly shit. Please tell me Warner isn’t commentating all summer.

Jesus we can never be rid of this guy.

Also very surprised at how squeaky his voice is. Please no

 

[hotchilli]

Hollly shit. Please tell me Warner isn’t commentating all summer.

Jesus we can never be rid of this guy.

Also very surprised at how squeaky his voice is. Please no

He signed some stupid multi-year deal with Fox Sports so unfortunately we are stuck with him.

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

He signed some stupid multi-year deal with Fox Sports so unfortunately we are stuck with him.

Candace approves of this.

 

[Iceman!]

Everyone is going to hate him because they have already decided he is basically the devil but I have thought Warner has been okay to start the summer

 

[Iceman!]

Can add Smith too unfortunately.
Gun bat in a bit of decline ( understandably) but his over the top mannerisms and reaction to getting out takes away from watching him bat imo.

Ah yes 30 seconds of him being pissed as he walks off makes him so unwatchable.

This continues to be the worst cricket take I see on a semi regular basis.

 

[hotchilli]

Everyone is going to hate him because they have already decided he is basically the devil but I have thought Warner has been okay to start the summer

He's never been the most articulate. Anything above being absolutely useless is above expectations.

 

[Iceman!]

He's never been the most articulate. Anything above being absolutely useless is above expectations.

I’ve found his Analysis to be solid, I found his take on our opening situation pretty in line with what most think.

People are dumping on him because of who he is. I am concerned he will very easily fall in to the Warne trap where he will go all blokey with the wrong commentary group.

I’m not saying he is Richie but I haven’t found him any worse than the rest of them.