Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[Eagleboy2011]

Interesting

The top 10 countries providing the most permanent migrants to Australia in order of rank for 2021–22 are:

1. India
2. People’s Republic of China
3. United Kingdom
4. Philippines
5. Nepal
6. Vietnam
7. New Zealand
8. Hong Kong (SAR of the PRC)
9. Pakistan
10. South Africa

In addition to the top 10, Indonesia is profiled to provide a regional context of migration to Australia.

The top three source countries of humanitarian entrants in 2021–22 to Australia are:

1. Afghanistan
2. Iraq
3. Myanmar

Recent migrants and temporary residents in Australia have the following characteristics12:

• As of November 2019, there were 11.9 million recent migrants or temporary residents in Australia.
• 50% had permanent visas or had become Australian citizens.
• 68% of recent migrants and temporary residents were employed, with a labour force participation rate of 72%.
• 69% of recent migrants held a non-school qualification before arriving in Australia and 35% had obtained a non-school qualification after arriving in Australia.
• 64% reported a lack of Australian work experience or references, 33% experienced language difficulties, 23% reported a lack of local contacts or networks, and 15% had difficulties having their skills or qualifications recognised3

 

[Cap]

Interesting

The top 10 countries providing the most permanent migrants to Australia in order of rank for 2021–22 are:

1. India
2. People’s Republic of China
3. United Kingdom
4. Philippines
5. Nepal
6. Vietnam
7. New Zealand
8. Hong Kong (SAR of the PRC)
9. Pakistan
10. South Africa

In addition to the top 10, Indonesia is profiled to provide a regional context of migration to Australia.

The top three source countries of humanitarian entrants in 2021–22 to Australia are:

1. Afghanistan
2. Iraq
3. Myanmar

Recent migrants and temporary residents in Australia have the following characteristics12:

• As of November 2019, there were 11.9 million recent migrants or temporary residents in Australia.
• 50% had permanent visas or had become Australian citizens.
• 68% of recent migrants and temporary residents were employed, with a labour force participation rate of 72%.
• 69% of recent migrants held a non-school qualification before arriving in Australia and 35% had obtained a non-school qualification after arriving in Australia.
• 64% reported a lack of Australian work experience or references, 33% experienced language difficulties, 23% reported a lack of local contacts or networks, and 15% had difficulties having their skills or qualifications recognised3

That list feels right in terms of country of origin.

Indonesia is profiled to provide a regional context of migration to Australia.

Do you know what that means ?

 

[kirky]

Colour me shocked that the wealthier people that pay more tax also have more disposable income to invest etc.. who would have thought

You have just proven how little you actually know.

It had absolutely nothing to do with disposable income.

 

[ADL9798]

We have enough people here - why not train them up to do the trades. Incentivise it so that tradies want to take on apprentices. Less people + less housing stress.

1. Australia's birth rate has been below replacement rate (2.1 births per woman) since 1976.
2. Our birth rate is declining over time, and is currently at 1.7 births per woman.
3. Migration is essential to cover this gap, and ensure a sufficient working age population to sustain our economy and the services required by our ageing population.
4. Tl;dr - our economy collapses without migration.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Yes - as at right now, we have had 500k immigrants lob in at the pleasure of this government in 1 year - until those numbers changes, convince me otherwise it will change!!

And yes, I thought Bindy was quite appropriate and it seems you know exactly who she was and why she was famous..I also recall her on tv taking like you write - no relation is she?

The 500k figure isnt permanent migrants. It also includes people like students and those on working holidays..
There is still only around 190,000 permanent visas granted a year. The same level it was pre-covid under the LNP.. but you go right ahead with your blatant lie…

you really do love proving to everyone just how utterly clueless you are..

and until you mentioned Bindy and I googled her name which led me to the 1996 article which in turn reminded me of the story of her and her family.. i’d completely forgotten about her..

So it seems its actually you that, nearly 30 obsessive years later, still clearly remembers her enough to just casually bring her up in comments here..

did you have a crush on her or something?.. did she reject you and break your heart?.. is that why you remember her so clearly after nearly 30 years?…

She did didnt she CTID.. its ok mate.. you’ll get over it eventually little fella..

 

[Vader]

You got me intrigued so I looked at the ATO simple tax calculator and put in someone earning $50000 and someone earning $1000000 and looked at the tax they pay as a% of their earnings

here is the figures for someone on $50000 - they pay $6717 or around 13.5% of their income in tax

calculatorsandtools | Australian Taxation Office

Calculators and Tools

www.ato.gov.au

Someone on $1000000 pays $420667 or around 42% of their earnings

calculatorsandtools | Australian Taxation Office

Calculators and Tools

www.ato.gov.au

sure, this is the simple ATO tax calculator and the people earning $1000000 would be insane if hey didn't have investment strategies in place to mitigate their tax burden a bit, but on a raw calculation, the person earning more seems to pay significantly more of their income in tax as a % than the person earning less - as it should be and as it seems it is

Edit - the figures I inputted don't seem to have saved in the calculators attached but you can easily input those figures in and it will spit out the same figures I mention

Except that someone earning $1000000 is able to (and invariably does) use tax avoidance measures, so they only pay tax on $20,000 (or thereabouts). Their marginal tax rate may be higher, but the tax rate they end up paying is much, much, lower.

It's also about all those other taxes. Someone who spends everything they earn effectively pays 1/11th of their income in GST. Someone who earns a shitload more, and only spends 1% of their income (and that's being generous for someone like Gina Rinehart), effectively pays 1/1100th of their income in GST.

 

[Crow till I die]

The 500k figure isnt permanent migrants. It also includes people like students and those on working holidays..
There is still only around 190,000 permanent visas granted a year. The same level it was pre-covid under the LNP.. but you go right ahead with your blatant lie…

you really do love proving to everyone just how utterly clueless you are..

and until you mentioned Bindy and I googled her name which led me to the 1996 article which in turn reminded me of the story of her and her family.. i’d completely forgotten about her..

So it seems its actually you that, nearly 30 obsessive years later, still clearly remembers her enough to just casually bring her up in comments here..

did you have a crush on her or something?.. did she reject you and break your heart?.. is that why you remember her so clearly after nearly 30 years?…

She did didnt she CTID.. its ok mate.. you’ll get over it eventually little fella..

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You dimwit..some are on working holidays and some are students. They don't need to live in houses then?..do they live like a few of you guys..under rocks?..lol.

I knew the bindy paxton reference would get a response. I remember at the time thinking..what a mouthy twat then i thought she reminds me of a poster here

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Don't the top 1% pay something like 50% of all tax revenue received?

No, most of the wealthiest 1% would be avoiding paying tax!

 

[Eagleboy2011]

No, most of the wealthiest 1% would be avoiding paying tax!

Very pointed statement. Shouldn't everybody avoid having pay taxes they legally don't have to pay.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Very pointed statement. Shouldn't everybody avoid having pay taxes they legally don't have to pay.

Sure, but should the tax system be equitable so everyone pays their fair share?

Big corporates don't pay much.

 

[Cap]

It’s official: Australian homes rank the largest on average in the world | Architecture & Design

The size of Australian homes has come under the microscope in recent years, but a recent Buildworld study indicates just how large our residential spaces are.

www.architectureanddesign.com.au

Sorry this is older than I'd like but I'm led to believe it's still true.

So if we are building bigger homes, they must cost more, making them more expensive to buy. Maybe we need smaller homes? (Especially when block sizes are getting smaller)

 

[Vader]

No, most of the wealthiest 1% would be avoiding paying tax!

Partially correct. They avoid paying tax, which is why the top 1% ONLY pay ~50% of the total tax revenue. If they weren't so adept at tax avoidance, and were paying their fair share, then they'd be responsible for ~85% of the total tax revenue.

 

[Cap]

Partially correct. They avoid paying tax, which is why the top 1% ONLY pay ~50% of the total tax revenue. If they weren't so adept at tax avoidance, and were paying their fair share, then they'd be responsible for ~85% of the total tax revenue.

What are your thoughts on stage 3 tax cuts?

 

[Vader]

What are your thoughts on stage 3 tax cuts?

I think it would be nice if Labor could legislate to modify them, so that a greater % of the cuts are given to people who actually need it - people earning < $100K, rather than those earning $200K+.

Assuming that's not possible, it's typical LNP wedge politics. The LNP legislated it, and by effectively forced Labor to vote for it, given their refusal to separate the stage 1 & 2 cuts (which were well targeted) from the appalling stage 3 cuts. The stage 3 cuts are terrible policy, both from the perspective of being badly targeted (most savings go to the rich), and the amount of money they rip out of the budget.

However, Labor promised to keep them, as one of their election promises, so now they're forced to do just that - despite it being a bad LNP policy that they're keeping. The optics of cancelling tax cuts, in a time of rising cost of living, is just too horrible for Labor to even contemplate.

They're damned it they do, and damned if they don't.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Partially correct. They avoid paying tax, which is why the top 1% ONLY pay ~50% of the total tax revenue. If they weren't so adept at tax avoidance, and were paying their fair share, then they'd be responsible for ~85% of the total tax revenue.

No, my statement was fully correct.

I said wealthiest!

Been saying for a long time the tax system needs a complete overhaul.

 

[Slippery Pete]

No, most of the wealthiest 1% would be avoiding paying tax!

That’s you isn’t it?!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

That’s you isn’t it?!

Lol, I wish.

I don't know what % I would be. Probably top 5%. Never really thought about it

 

[Vader]

No, my statement was fully correct.

I said wealthiest!

Been saying for a long time the tax system needs a complete overhaul.

No, you're wrong. They do pay close to 50% of the total, despite all their best efforts to avoid paying tax. Without those efforts, they'd be paying closer to 85%.

Agree 100% that the tax system requires an overhaul.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What are your thoughts on stage 3 tax cuts?

They are law, so should go ahead... but there needs to be a complete restructure of our tax system. These are just skimming around the edges.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No, you're wrong. They do pay close to 50% of the total, despite all their best efforts to avoid paying tax. Without those efforts, they'd be paying closer to 85%.

Agree 100% that the tax system requires an overhaul.

Most of the wealthiest don't pay any or very little taxes Vader, as they take their profits offshore!

Check out the Panama papers...

 

[Vader]

Most of the wealthiest don't pay any or very little taxes Vader, as they take their profits offshore!

Check out the Panama papers...

Which only goes to show how much MORE they should be paying here, not that the taxes they DO pay don't make up a large percentage of the country's tax revenue.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Which only goes to show how much MORE they should be paying here, not that the taxes they DO pay don't make up a large percentage of the country's tax revenue.

That's what I have been saying all along!

The top 1% taxpayers are not the top 1% wealthiest!

Hence my statement was correct!

 

[Vader]

That's what I have been saying all along!

The top 1% taxpayers are not the top 1% wealthiest!

Hence my statement was correct!

I'm talking about Australia's top 1% wealthiest individuals - starting with Gina, and working down from there.

 

[Vader]

On a different topic...

Remember a while back, our resident neanderthals were arguing that roadside assistance vehicles wouldn't support EVs, by giving them a charge in the event of a flat battery? Turns out they are/were completely wrong:
Does roadside assistance cover electric cars?

The article quotes from the RACQ and RACV, though I'm sure the equivalent organisations in other states would do the same thing.

With the RACQ, for example, EV roadside assistance includes:

• Charge top-up to enable the vehicle to be driven to the nearest accessible charging station if in range (where available) or towing to an accessible charging station or your destination in line with your roadside assistance entitlements.
• Flat tyre change or, if no spare is available, a temporary tyre puncture repair (if available and at the discretion of attending patrol).
• Attendance by an expert patrol who is High Voltage Aware.

Meanwhile, RACV offers towing up to 200km for a flat EV battery, 24-hour assistance with lockouts, flat tyres and batteries, and a 20 per cent discount when charging your EV at any Chargefox ultra-rapid site.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I think it’s obvious Labor want to scrap the tax cuts, but they also want to stay in power, and the second one takes precedence.