Trade Requested Bailey Smith - Reportedly headed to Geelong

[threenewpadlocks]

No one 100% knows or can guarantee that. Chance is it should be fine but the fine print would have disclaimers on that



If there were 2 identical cars & one had an engine rebuild & one is fine - would you expect to pay full price for the one that did an engine?

Yeah it’s been rebuilt & could be fine but there is also a chance it may have an issue

Ashcroft just won a Norm Smith with not only coming off an ACL but not being able to do a pre-season before being thrown back into AFL play.

If the ACL was such a concern that would have been a consideration in the amount of money you were paying him.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I’m not saying Geelong has any “right” to him. They’re simply negotiating with the dogs in the hope of getting him.

Dogs are free to hold out and send him to the draft. That’s an option. Right now though it seems they’re okay to let him move to Geelong, but are haggling over the price. That’s their prerogative.

That's fine. We can agree on that.

But if the understanding is that Smith would find his way to Geelong as part of the draft anyway, it means that the discussion of him theoretically being available to draft by all clubs is all academic, Smith is manipulating and tampering with the in-theory fairness of a draft process as there is a reason that other clubs are being dissuaded from drafting him.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

That's fine. We can agree on that.

But if the understanding is that Smith would find his way to Geelong as part of the draft anyway, it means that the discussion of him theoretically being available to draft by all clubs is all academic, Smith is manipulating and tampering with the in-theory fairness of a draft process as there is a reason that other clubs are being dissuaded from drafting him.

I might be misremembering, but didn’t he also use that tactic to get to the dogs in the first place? And isn’t it a fairly routine happening these days?
Esava wanted Port, we dealt with Port. Jordan Clark wanted Freo, we dealt with Freo. Tim Kelly wanted WC, we dealt with WC.

 

[WillHayward]

Man I love IASIP.

But I can hold two seemingly incongruous ideas simultaneously when they aren't actually incongruous.

Dogs faffing around over Macrae.

Cats seem to think they entitled to some very questionable deals.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

That's fine. We can agree on that.

But if the understanding is that Smith would find his way to Geelong as part of the draft anyway, it means that the discussion of him theoretically being available to draft by all clubs is all academic, Smith is manipulating and tampering with the in-theory fairness of a draft process as there is a reason that other clubs are being dissuaded from drafting him.

Is holding out and sending him to the draft REALLY an option for the dogs ?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The best part is that the posts are 20 minutes apart.

 

[MisterMarcus]

That's fine. We can agree on that.

But if the understanding is that Smith would find his way to Geelong as part of the draft anyway, it means that the discussion of him theoretically being available to draft by all clubs is all academic, Smith is manipulating and tampering with the in-theory fairness of a draft process as there is a reason that other clubs are being dissuaded from drafting him.

Clubs are not going to waste a top pick on a bloke who actively doesn’t want to be there.

That’s not some nefarious conspiracy, that’s common sense.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Is holding out and sending him to the draft REALLY an option for the dogs ?

If it wasn't, Geelong would understand that, and then offer less.

It's about the balancing act. Without a sincere threat, what's the incentive of Geelong to offer anything more than a nominal amount, because a nominal amount is better than the nothing the Dogs would get sending him to the draft.

Game theory, suppliers and demanders, all that economic jazz

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Clubs are not going to waste a top pick on a bloke who actively doesn’t want to be there.

That’s not some nefarious conspiracy, that’s common sense.

You do have to go back a long way, and it wasn't always the best decision by the clubs, but players like Nick Stevens and Jade Rawlings didn't want to be at the clubs that recruited them as part of the out-of-contract, draft process.

It's become less common over time, but only because it's been successfully used as a lever to avoid another Nick Stevens and Jade Rawlings situation. But it still remains a possibility.

 

[MisterMarcus]

You do have to go back a long way, and it wasn't always the best decision by the clubs, but players like Nick Stevens and Jade Rawlings didn't want to be at the clubs that recruited them as part of the out-of-contract, draft process.

It's become less common over time, but only because it's been successfully used as a lever to avoid another Nick Stevens and Jade Rawlings situation. But it still remains a possibility.

Yes I understand it’s a possibility.

It just would seem very silly

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I might be misremembering, but didn’t he also use that tactic to get to the dogs in the first place? And isn’t it a fairly routine happening these days?

Yes which is part of the reason a lot of Dogs fans don't like Smith as a person anyway, beyond him just leaving our club. We drafted him and he played on the field for six contracted seasons for us, but we weren't exactly happy that he was a bit of a dick to interstate clubs not wanting to draft him anyway. And you have Archie Perkins situations where one person's mental health concerns, without wanting to invalidate mental health, is simply the fact that the act of an interstate draft requires a level of resilience to the potential of having to move interstate that superscedes the vague concepts of mental health or an entitlement to have an AFL career that fits into some person's ideal mental health environment (I know that sounds evil but the difference between proper reslience and mental health often gets blurred).

Esava wanted Port, we dealt with Port. Jordan Clark wanted Freo, we dealt with Freo. Tim Kelly wanted WC, we dealt with WC.

I would argue in all instances that all trades were far closer to the expected future on-field output of the player and in line what the contract amount (ie pick x is worth being the yth highest paid player at a team).

 

[Turbo911]

Ashcroft just won a Norm Smith with not only coming off an ACL but not being able to do a pre-season before being thrown back into AFL play.

If the ACL was such a concern that would have been a consideration in the amount of money you were paying him.

But he’s not Ashcroft, not all players fully recover & some do. No one knows the future & can’t guarantee it

From early reports it’s not an over the top contract unlesss you have differing information?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

But he’s not Ashcroft, not all players fully recover & some do. No one knows the future & can’t guarantee it

From early reports it’s not an over the top contract unlesss you have differing information?

It's around a million a year or close to it.

It's not over the top in the context of Hawks being prepared to offer him Barrass money of 1.2ish earlier this year, but it's still enough to make him a top-5 player paid at your club.