List Mgmt. Ben Amarfio - has resigned as our CEO - Thank you Ben

[ferball]

Sure you did

big ol lol

Its a racist comment.

It took me less than a minute to find your comment cos I remembered it. I've know indigenous people from Northern Tassie for decades (including one guy who might have been Robinson's grandad for all I know) and red hair is the trait of one bunch of families who had relationships with European seal hunters that travelled to NW Tassie for centuries before the Poms claimed it.

I remembered it cos its the sort of racist shit Andrew Bolt tried to pull all those years ago when he became the court appointed racist - denying someone's right to recognise their indigenous heritage cos they don't fit your definition of "indigenous".

So why would anyone listen to you?

You make racist comments about indigenous people on this website - how do you think you have any credibility to say what you did about Chad? You're just trying to cover your own arse and keep people thinking its okay to say the sort of scummy shit you said about Robinson anyway.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

The irony in all this is that these woke crusaders cause more division in communities/society than they realise. You’re essentially pouring gasoline over the very issues you’re trying to fight against.

#quithittingyourself

The past few pages of this thread have left me worried about humanity to be honest. chadwiki is going to chadwiki and ferbie is going to ferbie...but the fact that others accept the divisive comments and treat them as gospel is quite amazing.

 

[Devington]

The past few pages of this thread have left me worried about humanity to be honest. chadwiki is going to chadwiki and ferbie is going to ferbie...but the fact that others accept the divisive comments and treat them as gospel is quite amazing.

Alternatively a comment was blown out of proportion and most of the people on a football forum don't really feel like dipping their toes into either side of the weird debate (if it can even be called that) which ensued.

 

[Dan]

Its a racist comment.

It took me less than a minute to find your comment cos I remembered it. I've know indigenous people from Northern Tassie for decades (including one guy who might have been Robinson's grandad for all I know) and red hair is the trait of one bunch of families who had relationships with European seal hunters that travelled to NW Tassie for centuries before the Poms claimed it.

I remembered it cos its the sort of racist s**t Andrew Bolt tried to pull all those years ago when he became the court appointed racist - denying someone's right to recognise their indigenous heritage cos they don't fit your definition of "indigenous".

So why would anyone listen to you?

You make racist comments about indigenous people on this website - how do you think you have any credibility to say what you did about Chad? You're just trying to cover your own arse and keep people thinking its okay to say the sort of scummy s**t you said about Robinson anyway.

Oh this gets better.

Might have been? You can claim family heritage on a maybe?

 

[Kangaroos techno]

Alternatively a comment was blown out of proportion and most of the people on a football forum don't really feel like dipping their toes into either side of the weird debate (if it can even be called that) which ensued.

I'm not talking about those that haven't interjected themselves. It's obviously not for everyone. Also, BA is backroom staff so it's hard to keep it football related. Especially when a lot of his work is based on heresay, assumptions, and snippets of intel.

You also can't expect people not to speak up when certain members of this board continually plant seeds and try to undermine anything that isn't over the top praise. As soon as I highlighted this point a few posters instantly painted me with that brush despite only ever saying good things about BA.

One day this board will pull up the those that instigated the rubbish first and got it to this point, instead of those that call it out for what it is.

 

[ferball]

I get your view Ferbs - and we aren't going to agree on everything (we never have).

After what we have been through in the past 2 years we need to review every senior position in the organisation - as CEO BA will need to fall under that review.

I would be shocked if we can't find someone with better credentials, more football experience and more overall effectiveness than BA.

We have done it with Clarko - we have now have the best coach in the business - now we need to find the best CEO possible.

Obviously BA has less football experience than most people but that doesn't mean there will be better CEOs around.

There might be - Brady might be low balling players like McKay on BAs instruction for example. That would be a good reason to move him on imo. But I don't know that and I've seen no evidence for it.

What we will need from our CEO (and everyone else around Clarko) is someone who can stand up to Clarko. Even Clarko himself thinks that. Amarfio's suitability for the role has to be in relation to that.

I don't think we need to review every senior position in the club after the last two years. What else did people expect would happen after 2020? Even with a better coach than Noble we were still gonna be in the bottom four to six sides this year and most likely around the bottom. If Walsh's review doesn't identify issues with Amarfio's relationship with the footy department that mean we need a different CEO then why change him?

What's your basis for finding a better CEO? Rebuilds are shit? Why are we assuming he isn't the best person for the job?

 

[Orange Peanut]

I'd hope and expect the bulk of criticism of BA isn't due to race, but shit when you've got someone posting with a lifetime of lived experience of racism I don't know how anyone can be dismissive of it altogether.

 

[Orange Peanut]

If the rumourss on here from a few months ago are true - that BA interfered with the recruiting process, among other footy dept things - then yeah, I can see why people might have an issue. But I maintain that there's no real way we as outsiders could possibly know if he's doing a good job, unless the books don't balance or sponsors drop off. And really, the opposite of that seems to be the case.

 

[the big lebowski]

I’d just like the ceo to make sure there is money for the football dept and the football department to focus on football.

Sure, it’s likely BA can improve his integration into the footy dept.given he’s been in club land for only two years as the club and world was burning. But he’s done a great job, as confirmed by Sonja. End of story.

 

[Dan]

He might have been his great uncle instead.

Now * off you racist campaigner.

My great, great, great grandmother is African.

Am I African? Am I black?

 

[SpiderBurton22]

My great, great, great grandmother is African.

Am I African? Am I black?

Curious, What gives you the impression he thinks he's indigenous?

 

[Event Horizon]

It seems people not only struggle to grasp the definition of the CEO role but also the definition of the word racist.

I can’t believe the racism issue is even being discussed here. We are all supporters of the same club here, and I honestly haven’t seen any racist comments here in my time on this forum which is nearly 20 years.

But how on earth criticism of a CEO leads us to the racism debate is beyond me. Next we will be told that we aren’t allowed to criticize players because that’s borderline racist. I mean stating the fact that Spicer recently played one of the worst games I’ve seen from a North player ever, could be construed as racism by some, but surely this rubbish has to be called out.


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[Orange Peanut]

It seems people not only struggle to grasp the definition of the CEO role but also the definition of the word racist.

I can’t believe the racism issue is even being discussed here. We are all supporters of the same club here, and I honestly haven’t seen any racist comments here in my time on this forum which is nearly 20 years.

But how on earth criticism of a CEO leads us to the racism debate is beyond me. Next we will be told that we aren’t allowed to criticize players because that’s borderline racist. I mean stating the fact that Spicer recently played one of the worst games I’ve seen from a North player ever, could be construed as racism by some, but surely this rubbish has to be called out.


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If you were objectively wrong about Spicer, people would be looking at why you'd said it. His game that day was awful so it's not an issue.

 

[Dan]

Curious, What gives you the impression he thinks he's indigenous?

The tattoos, wife/kids, the embracing of other indigenous athletes after games and his maybe* great uncle/grandfather might be indigenous.

*ask furball up ^there^

 

[SpiderBurton22]

The tattoos, wife/kids, the embracing of other indigenous athletes after games and his maybe* great uncle/grandfather might be indigenous.

*ask furball up ^there^

To me it seems like the actions of a loving husband/father that is embracing and respecting his patner's culture. A culture that his kids will grow up with.

Not sure why you would try and denigrate that.

 

[justroyal]

What football knowledge ‘might’ Ben be missing that everyone in the media is thinking he is lacking? Shit, can’t he have some advisors around the club to help him play catch up on areas he might not be good in that doesn’t include making money, getting out of debt and growing a precinct?

 

[Dan]

To me it seems like the actions of a loving husband/father that is embrassing and respecting his patner's culture. A culture that his kids will grow up with.

Not sure why you would try and denigrate that.

This has been a thing before the wife and kids.

But the reasons your referring to I can understand and respect.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

I'd hope and expect the bulk of criticism of BA isn't due to race, but s**t when you've got someone posting with a lifetime of lived experience of racism I don't know how anyone can be dismissive of it altogether.

Because said poster jumps at shadows. If I picked up a glass of skim milk over a glass of choc milk ferbie would call me racist, bring up a obscure podcast and give a story about racism in rural Australia 30 years ago.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

It seems people not only struggle to grasp the definition of the CEO role but also the definition of the word racist.

I can’t believe the racism issue is even being discussed here. We are all supporters of the same club here, and I honestly haven’t seen any racist comments here in my time on this forum which is nearly 20 years.

But how on earth criticism of a CEO leads us to the racism debate is beyond me. Next we will be told that we aren’t allowed to criticize players because that’s borderline racist. I mean stating the fact that Spicer recently played one of the worst games I’ve seen from a North player ever, could be construed as racism by some, but surely this rubbish has to be called out.


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Well said.

 

[ferball]

To me it seems like the actions of a loving husband/father that is embracing and respecting his patner's culture. A culture that his kids will grow up with.

Not sure why you would try and denigrate that.

Its not just that. Indigenous people consider non indigenous people who have children with them as part of their culture. With obligations and stuff as well.

 

[amaz199]

This thread has derailed spectacularly.

I would say he has done a fantastic job to keep our sponsors happy for the foreseeable future and maintain the club's 'zero debt' status. That doesn't come easy.

Ben is not perfect. None of us are. When the club executes a huge cull and takes on the dangerous prospect of a rebuild, sometimes things will go wrong even when we make the right choices. It's just the way rebuilds are and it's up to the club and it's players to get through that. Are we being too harsh on Ben? Most of the footy department was in place before he arrived. During his tenure, Only Noble was appointed as senior coach (the right call at the time) so what exactly do we need our CEO to do? Is Ben to blame for the list management quitting? We haven't heard shit since they left so what exactly was true about the club internally?

We've just got Clarko and potentially his team, just finished a review (yet to action) and we've maintained our relationship with Mazda. All whilst he has been CEO.

He's doing well. He probably should be shifted to focus on the commercial side to maximise his impact but he's not making the club into a rabble. Do we have concrete evidence to backup 'issues' with his position and responsibilities?

Checkout *Essendons CEO for comparison. Ben's smashing them in straight sets.

I'm sure the review will sort out the footy dept things anyway.

The entirety of Carl's tenure saw many frustrating H&A seasons with a vastly superior list and more soft cap space, do we look at his performance?

He is taking on a rebuild whilst trying to keep the club financially healthy. Not easy.

 

[ferball]

Because said poster jumps at shadows. If I picked up a glass of skim milk over a glass of choc milk ferbie would call me racist, bring up a obscure podcast and give a story about racism in rural Australia 30 years ago.

LOL You're such a cry baby. Get over it. Apart from ****wit and his comment I haven't accused people of anything in this thread. You said Chad is accusing people of racism, but he hasn't accused anyone of anything either. There's a clear difference between valid criticism and being a ****wit and its been clearly explained to you but you're still carrying on like a child with this "everyone says criticism is racism" rubbish.

Some people hide racism in shit criticism, other people have valid criticisms of people of other races that hold up under their own merits, its easy to sus out what is what if you examine the criticism itself.

 

[archerboy]

I’d just like the ceo to make sure there is money for the football dept and the football department to focus on football.

Sure, it’s likely BA can improve his integration into the footy dept.given he’s been in club land for only two years as the club and world was burning. But he’s done a great job, as confirmed by Sonja. End of story.

You’re back big time

 

[zoomba23]

This has been a thing before the wife and kids.

But the reasons your referring to I can understand and respect.

Not even gonna get involved with the racism stuff, but fwiw you lose a bit of credibility when you manage to misspell a five letter word

 

[Dan]

Not even gonna get involved with the racism stuff, but fwiw you lose a bit of credibility when you manage to misspell a five letter word

He pulls the grammar card out and he scores!!!!!

10 points to Gryffindor