Bendigo FL discussion 2023

[Bush Fly]

In most cases if you are running to the Salary Cap then the money will run out before the points do. So if your campaigning for more points you should do the same for a higher cap as well.

 

[Bendigosbest20]

In most cases if you are running to the Salary Cap then the money will run out before the points do. So if your campaigning for more points you should do the same for a higher cap as well.

A tiered system is the only way forward IMO

Central Vic FNL

Div 1 /2 / 3

Premier division has all netball and football sides

Div 2 has less sides

Div 3 - one football / one netball for smaller population teams

Surely this is the way forward or am I missing something ??

Please list your premier / div 2 / 3 teams


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[MortlockWatcher]

It will more likely come in a few years' time when clubs in leagues such as the LV, NC and GR start disappearing. Just like what is happening with some struggling clubs in country areas, some leagues will hold on as long as they can and take in clubs from leagues that are struggling (that is unless AFLV start doing investigations and making recommendations again, remember when they used to do them?).

AFLV probably won't admit to there being any problems with the way things are until clubs actually fold and leagues become unviable.

I reckon we will end up with a Central Victoria Football League with Division 1 (BFNL) and the remainder of the clubs split geographically into Northern and Southern divisions (each with 1-2 grades, depending on numbers).

You are likely to see similar set-ups around Ballarat, Goulburn Murray and Gippsland in the next 10-15 years.

 

[Slammin Sammy Says]

Currently football clubs are not located where people live.

Players live in Bendigo and travel out to clubs such as Mitiamo as an example.

I know it's not this simple but consider the idea of move the club to where the people live.

No club plays at Weroona Oval for example, only one club now plays at QEO

Umpires can train at Epsom

 

[Forest St End]

I think you guys are starting to make some sense now.
The admin of every competition throughout Victoria need to start and implement the points system available.
Strath (for example) have been dominant at the top of the ladder for a long time.
What is stopping them from been restricted to say 32 points and making them bring juniors through rather than recruiting a couple of guns every year?
And yes they do bring juniors through every year but try and restrict the recruitment of ex VFL players and the like.
The points should be access every year and looked at a 3-5 year window of how the team has faired through a period of time.
No one wants to see the same 3-4 teams making up the finals every year.

Admins need to start and stand up to some of these clubs also.
How many times have we seen some points restricted to a club and they appeal and win.
We are all crying out for every club to be competitive.
How many times through the year do you check the fixture (in all comps) and most of the results are known before the game is played?

Excellent post.

If they really want to get some competitiveness back then cut the points of the top teams each year. Do the entire competition allocation each year based around their finish that year.

If Gisborne averaged 35 last season cut them to 32, give Strath 34, Golden Square 36, Eaglehawk and South 40 and no limit on the rest.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

It will more likely come in a few years' time when clubs in leagues such as the LV, NC and GR start disappearing. Just like what is happening with some struggling clubs in country areas, some leagues will hold on as long as they can and take in clubs from leagues that are struggling (that is unless AFLV start doing investigations and making recommendations again, remember when they used to do them?).

AFLV probably won't admit to there being any problems with the way things are until clubs actually fold and leagues become unviable.

I reckon we will end up with a Central Victoria Football League with Division 1 (BFNL) and the remainder of the clubs split geographically into Northern and Southern divisions (each with 1-2 grades, depending on numbers).

You are likely to see similar set-ups around Ballarat, Goulburn Murray and Gippsland in the next 10-15 years.

Tired comp footy will never work in country footy, community clubs rely on community support and that is everyone's at the footy on the same day.

I always thought the points system was a good idea, started in the cmfl, but it needs to evolve. I'd have you need to have a minimum 17, 1 point players for the the bfl top 6 of last year, Kyneton 15, the other 3 12. Set up on mous with the community clubs, eg pair Strath with Inglewood and allow clubs through the year to rotate players, of your not getting at Strath, surely your better off playing ones at Inglewood.

And I'd allow for the top clubs 1 player per side to be a 1 pointer, even they don't meet the criteria and outside the cap, so you recruit ex AFL players and allow the lower clubs 2, with clubs needing to nominate each player before the start of the season. We don't need players worth 3, 4,56,7 points and a max amount of points clubs have got around it

 

[ROOTA#6]

Currently football clubs are not located where people live.

Players live in Bendigo and travel out to clubs such as Mitiamo as an example.

I know it's not this simple but consider the idea of move the club to where the people live.

No club plays at Weroona Oval for example, only one club now plays at QEO

Umpires can train at Epsom

Would have been good for a club to be based at Epsom

 

[Bootz36]

Excellent post.

If they really want to get some competitiveness back then cut the points of the top teams each year. Do the entire competition allocation each year based around their finish that year.

If Gisborne averaged 35 last season cut them to 32, give Strath 34, Golden Square 36, Eaglehawk and South 40 and no limit on the rest.

I reckon it was a great post as well- it addressed the major problem leagues haven’t done with such a potentially helpful structure the point system offers. The point allocation needs to vary per club to address location, population and seasonable inequities.


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[Hank Mardukas]

Ok. I'll play devils advocate.

Does any change/alteration/ideas/initiatives to salary cap, points etc make any difference at all? Are some clubs simply doomed due to population changes, young people's interests and opportunities, volunteer numbers and capabilities and a heap of other factors?

 

[ringo1]

Ok. I'll play devils advocate.

Does any change/alteration/ideas/initiatives to salary cap, points etc make any difference at all? Are some clubs simply doomed due to population changes, young people's interests and opportunities, volunteer numbers and capabilities and a heap of other factors?

No doubt demographics play a huge part in the success of clubs. Seems to me the more affluent areas in most leagues enjoy the most success.

 

[boncer34]

Ok. I'll play devils advocate.

Does any change/alteration/ideas/initiatives to salary cap, points etc make any difference at all? Are some clubs simply doomed due to population changes, young people's interests and opportunities, volunteer numbers and capabilities and a heap of other factors?

Some clubs might be doomed for sure. But more intelligent rules around the points system would bring clubs closer together. Instead of the current system that sees the top clubs keep all their players due to their success whilst being able to add players due to extra points from the drop retaining players get.

 

[BartSimpson]

The points system was always going to serve the strong clubs so well. No surprise almost all the good kids go to strong clubs to get developed, leaving an outrageous imbalance between high-performing clubs and low-performing clubs.

Some clubs might be doomed for sure. But more intelligent rules around the points system would bring clubs closer together. Instead of the current system that sees the top clubs keep all their players due to their success whilst being able to add players due to extra points from the drop retaining players get.

Fixing the points allocation is a step in the right direction but it needs to be universal across all Victoria if not players will leave the leagues that make appropriate changes and go to leagues like metro which currently have much higher points allowances in my opinion

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Ok. I'll play devils advocate.

Does any change/alteration/ideas/initiatives to salary cap, points etc make any difference at all? Are some clubs simply doomed due to population changes, young people's interests and opportunities, volunteer numbers and capabilities and a heap of other factors?

Demographics is the biggest issue, just look at the players running around in the malllee league in its last year, those clubs all had plenty of money, just no locals and juniors

 

[MortlockWatcher]

We have at least 4-5 clubs that are currently on the precipice right now, including Castlemaine, Corowa-Rutherglen, Rushworth and Old Mentonians. Then there is the Upper Murray league, which is living as a shaky year-to-year proposition.

I reckon this time next year, we will be talking about 10-15 clubs in this position and the viability of leagues other than the UMFNL will be raised in the next year or two.

We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg right now and there is no simple fix to the problem, otherwise we'd be doing it.

 

[carloss]

We have at least 4-5 clubs that are currently on the precipice right now, including Castlemaine, Corowa-Rutherglen, Rushworth and Old Mentonians. Then there is the Upper Murray league, which is living as a shaky year-to-year proposition.

I reckon this time next year, we will be talking about 10-15 clubs in this position and the viability of leagues other than the UMFNL will be raised in the next year or two.

We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg right now and there is no simple fix to the problem, otherwise we'd be doing it.

Time to drop the reserves? Can clubs function with only one senior side?

 

[boncer34]

Time to drop the reserves? Can clubs function with only one senior side?

I've seen leagues with only one team. They don't function well.

 

[bevsDoggies]

Hearing South are in big trouble as well, will scrape through this year but unless they land a 100k sponsor or run 3 car raffles it might be curtains in 2024

 

[Forest St End]

Time to drop the reserves? Can clubs function with only one senior side?

I've long said the way forward is 2 senior teams.

Merge under 18s and reserves into a colts competition, an under 23 with a certain number of overage players allowed per team.

Increase under 16s to under 17s.

We lose huge numbers of players out of 16s and 18s, if you made it a younger players competition it would help I think.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Hearing South are in big trouble as well, will scrape through this year but unless they land a 100k sponsor or run 3 car raffles it might be curtains in 2024

Big trouble in regards to numbers or finances?

 

[bevsDoggies]

Big trouble in regards to numbers or finances?

Finances and fact their junior program has been so poor numbers wise for a few years now!

They also need 600 supporters to arrive in town and turn up and drink the bar dry every week! They are in a similar position to Kyneton, Castlemaine, Maryborough and Flat atm when it comes to attracting players as they don’t have and good locals coming through. Unfortunately they don’t have the funds like Kyneton and to some extent Flat to be able to buy in some a graders anymore at what the going price is if you want to bring in some elite players

 

[boncer34]

Council be desperate to keep them using Kennington. I'd be surprised if they go under.

 

[jayco13]

A tiered system is the only way forward IMO

Central Vic FNL

Div 1 /2 / 3

Premier division has all netball

I've long said the way forward is 2 senior teams.

Merge under 18s and reserves into a colts competition, an under 23 with a certain number of overage players allowed per team.

Increase under 16s to under 17s.

We lose huge numbers of players out of 16s and 18s, if you made it a younger players competition it would help I think.

With numbers dwindling not sure an u23 is the way to go... most u23 would be playing seniors anyway. Don't think restrictions on players ages would help any club at the moment.

 

[silver55]

Hearing South are in big trouble as well, will scrape through this year but unless they land a 100k sponsor or run 3 car raffles it might be curtains in 202

Hearing South are in big trouble as well, will scrape through this year but unless they land a 100k sponsor or run 3 car raffles it might be curtains in 2024

What a genuine load of shit mate, where are you hearing that rubbish and better yet why are you believing it? The club is in the best shape it has been in a decade on and off the field.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Finances and fact their junior program has been so poor numbers wise for a few years now!

They also need 600 supporters to arrive in town and turn up and drink the bar dry every week! They are in a similar position to Kyneton, Castlemaine, Maryborough and Flat atm when it comes to attracting players as they don’t have and good locals coming through. Unfortunately they don’t have the funds like Kyneton and to some extent Flat to be able to buy in some a graders anymore at what the going price is if you want to bring in some elite players

South, Sandhurst havent had a following for 25 years, apart from parents and players, bevo, unless they've gone out and paid overs, which they've never done I'd doubt it, south moving to Kennington will help as well

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Time to drop the reserves? Can clubs function with only one senior side?

I think reserves footy will go with mous with minor league clubs, with guys allowed to play at both during the year, with female footy to take the reserves spot