Bendigo FL discussion 2023

[Trent the flight Steward]

I don't think they can keep manual, hopefully they do.







Forrest I'm interested why Castlemaine would now entertain a lower standard, why get a high profile coach, create a vfl pathways program then, if they don't want to compete in the bfl.

I was also referring to strath, but with 3 clubs looking for a senior coach and this guys coaching resume, all 3 should throw the kitchen sink at him

 

[Forest St End]

If Kyneton can manage to hold onto Cam Manuel who is really good mates with Foreman. You would think he would be a class above the in the RDFL Yea?

Several classes above I’d say but I can’t see it happening. My guess is they are looking forward to paying less and winning more.

Forrest I'm interested why Castlemaine would now entertain a lower standard, why get a high profile coach, create a vfl pathways program then, if they don't want to compete in the bfl.

I was also referring to strath, but with 3 clubs looking for a senior coach and this guys coaching resume, all 3 should throw the kitchen sink at him

I don’t think they would entertain leaving the BFL, especially now.
My personal view is I think they are unsustainable in the long term and should leave but I don’t blame them for seeing what happens with this wave of momentum. If it fizzles out like the previous many have then I’d be leaving without question.

You mean I dislike Strath? Nar, didn’t even exist in my day so I find it hard to have much feeling about them at all to be honest. Much easier to hate the likes of South and Sandhurst!

 

[KTownTigs]

My one piece of advice, watch this space over the next couple of days, hearing on my daily run down Piper Street this morning big re signing announcement coming ( the biggest of them all ……………..)


Several classes above I’d say but I can’t see it happening. My guess is they are looking forward to paying less and winning more.

I don’t think they would entertain leaving the BFL, especially now.
My personal view is I think they are unsustainable in the long term and should leave but I don’t blame them for seeing what happens with this wave of momentum. If it fizzles out like the previous many have then I’d be leaving without question.

You mean I dislike Strath? Nar, didn’t even exist in my day so I find it hard to have much feeling about them at all to be honest. Much easier to hate the likes of South and Sandhurst!

 

[Forest St End]

Riddell FNL have officially announced Kyneton as their newest club on their Facebook.


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Anyone else feel like the response from the powers that be to Kyneton leaving has been very underwhelming?

From the outside it seems like they made no effort at all to keep them and were perhaps happy to see them go.

Contrast to the Heathcote/Loddon Valley stuff last year is stark to say the least.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Anyone else feel like the response from the powers that be to Kyneton leaving has been very underwhelming?

From the outside it seems like they made no effort at all to keep them and were perhaps happy to see them go.

Contrast to the Heathcote/Loddon Valley stuff last year is stark to say the least.

What should they have done?

 

[silver55]

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I don't think they can keep manual, hopefully they do.







Forrest I'm interested why Castlemaine would now entertain a lower standard, why get a high profile coach, create a vfl pathways program then, if they don't want to compete in the bfl.

I was also referring to strath, but with 3 clubs looking for a senior coach and this guys coaching resume, all 3 should throw the kitchen sink at him

Who are you talking about

 

[Forest St End]

What should they have done?

I would have expected the minimum would be a public statement reaffirming a strong commitment to Kyneton and a desire to see them stay, as well as a vision for the future and how Kyneton could be a strong part of that.

Maybe I’m expecting too much competence from the basket case that is AFL CV but I would have thought they would try and give Kyneton supporters something to consider at least, put up some sort of fight to keep them.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

You know maybe it's in kyneton and the bfls best interests they head to the rdfl, maybe it's just a mature parting of ways

 

[Forest St End]

You know maybe it's in kyneton and the bfls best interests they head to the rdfl, maybe it's just a mature parting of ways

Definitely Kyneton but not the other clubs or the region.

Everyone just lost a gate, Castlemaine and Gisborne lost their biggest revenue game of the year and every single club will wear a fee increase because the region still have to pay the same number of staff.

If you were a club you’d hope the region was fighting hard for you, but it doesn’t seem like they did in public at least.

 

[KTownTigs]

Safe to say some of these might do some damage in the RDFL

 

[laverton_nuffy]

Kyneton can look forward to local derbies with Macedon and woodend now

It it throws the cat amongst the pigeons regarding the same four clubs that have been dominating the rdfl for some time

I can’t see any negative from this move

 

[GG Rides Again]

You know maybe it's in kyneton and the bfls best interests they head to the rdfl, maybe it's just a mature parting of ways

Conscious uncoupling?

 

[Forest St End]

Kyneton can look forward to local derbies with Macedon and woodend now

It it throws the cat amongst the pigeons regarding the same four clubs that have been dominating the rdfl for some time

I can’t see any negative from this move

If Kyneton goes gangbusters financially and wins the flag next year it will be the worse possible result for the BFL.

By 2028 it will just be Sandhurst, Golden Square and Strath playing a round robin every week on the QEO.

 

[Too Old Too Slow (TOTS)]

I have posted this before but the long-term answer for the Bendigo League is to join with Ballarat League teams..
The new comp would be

1. Sandhurst Seniors
2. Golden Square Seniors
3. Strathfieldsaye Seniors
4. Eaglehawk Seniors
5. South Bendigo Seniors
6. Sebastopol Seniors
7. North Ballarat Seniors
8. Redan Seniors
9. East Point Seniors
10. Ballarat Seniors

• Plenty of league options for both the other Bendigo and Ballarat leagues. (that's another discussion)
• Only 5 weeks of travel (to Ballarat and Bendigo) for each team
• Each Club is strong so much more likely to get a big travel contingent from North Ballarat to Strath than Maryborough to Strath as an example
• Could grow into the strongest Country football in Victoria.
• A long term solution and that would create a clear pathway of local players in both Ballarat and Bendigo outside of district league teams.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

No Gisborne there ... interesting. Where are you proposing Gisborne, Kangaroo Flat, Maryborough and Castlemaine will end up?

The southern based BFNL clubs would tell you that the supporters of Bendigo clubs don't travel as it is now, so I can't see them travelling further for this concept.

In addition, the Ballarat league is in a stable position as it stands now with the Ballarat clubs and the eastern bloc clubs and the potential inclusion of Gisborne down the track would make the comp even better. Why would they want to break up such a good thing?

The issue for the BFNL is that their focus is city-centric to the detriment of the country clubs, which will harm them into the long term when those clubs have all departed and you are back to a six-team league like the old days.

We have already seen one club go this week and their neighbour is most certainly going to be keeping an eye on what happens over the next season or two. They have just lost their biggest revenue earning home game and the lure of big-drawing matches against Sunbury, Melton and Darley will be harder to resist twelve months from now.

 

[Forest St End]

The southern based BFNL clubs would tell you that the supporters of Bendigo clubs don't travel as it is now, so I can't see them travelling further for this concept.

In fairness they don’t actually have many supporters to travel. South and Sandhurst have been playing under Covid crowd rules for 40 years!

Whatever the changes, I’ve really come around to the concept of divisions, and having a turnover of clubs via promotion and relegation each year.

End the situation of clubs being smashed for 20 years by having a mechanism for them to move up and down with a couple of good and bad years. Refreshes everything and spreads a bit of hope around to all the battling clubs. It’s essentially what Kyneton has done now and you can already see how it is renewing them.

Even the clubs who get stuck down the bottom in the lower division benefit from having some fresh opposition and interest each year.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

I agree, however the recent ham-fisted balls-up by the AFLCV commission has probably put the implementation of divisional football back five years, unfortunately.

 

[BlueJet]

I have posted this before but the long-term answer for the Bendigo League is to join with Ballarat League teams..
The new comp would be

1. Sandhurst Seniors
2. Golden Square Seniors
3. Strathfieldsaye Seniors
4. Eaglehawk Seniors
5. South Bendigo Seniors
6. Sebastopol Seniors
7. North Ballarat Seniors
8. Redan Seniors
9. East Point Seniors
10. Ballarat Seniors

• Plenty of league options for both the other Bendigo and Ballarat leagues. (that's another discussion)
• Only 5 weeks of travel (to Ballarat and Bendigo) for each team
• Each Club is strong so much more likely to get a big travel contingent from North Ballarat to Strath than Maryborough to Strath as an example
• Could grow into the strongest Country football in Victoria.
• A long term solution and that would create a clear pathway of local players in both Ballarat and Bendigo outside of district league teams.

Whilst an interesting perspective, I can't see why Ballarat does this.
The result is an increase in travel and kicking a long-term member in Bacchus Marsh to the curb for no clear benefit.
It's essentially trading the Eastern Bloc for the Bendigo contingent, which only makes sense if it were part of a much broader restructure.

 

[Grimmett]

Sunbury has missed finals twice in 25 seasons.
Melton is the reigning premier.
Darley is current premiership favourite having beaten Melton three times this year.
Bacchus Marsh won a flag in 2016.
Lake Wendouree won a flag in 2010, should've got up in either 2016 or 2017.
None of those clubs are included in the model proposed above. None should be excluded.
Melton South has the support of the league which is working to assist rather than remove them.
Why would the Ballarat league pull itself apart to save the Bendigo League?

 

[MortlockWatcher]

End the situation of clubs being smashed for 20 years by having a mechanism for them to move up and down with a couple of good and bad years. Refreshes everything and spreads a bit of hope around to all the battling clubs. It’s essentially what Kyneton has done now and you can already see how it is renewing them.

I bet the the Riddell league will schedule a bumper Round 1 fixture for next season - they just need to work out what the biggest rivalry would be for Kyneton and schedule that, maybe even as a stand-alone Sunday fixture. They'd get a finals-sized crowd in, no problem.

 

[Forest St End]

Heard some interesting info today.

Kyneton and Riddell were talking to each other as far back as this time last year. One of the great keeping of confidence in this history of local footy.
Decision was made mid year, commission division stuff had no impact.
Chapman finished once the decision was made as they were not going to pay that sort of money for a coach in the Riddell league.
Gisborne are dirty on Kyneton for not talking to them about the move. Gisborne would have left as well if they had time to get things moving. Have told the league they will explore options for 2025, and are almost certain to go.
Gisborne income vs Kyneton (gate, bar, canteen, raffles, function etc) is equal to South, Sandhurst, K Flat and Maryborough combined over the past 5 years.

 

[Mad Jack]

Heard some interesting info today.

Kyneton and Riddell were talking to each other as far back as this time last year. One of the great keeping of confidence in this history of local footy.
Decision was made mid year, commission division stuff had no impact.
Chapman finished once the decision was made as they were not going to pay that sort of money for a coach in the Riddell league.
Gisborne are dirty on Kyneton for not talking to them about the move. Gisborne would have left as well if they had time to get things moving. Have told the league they will explore options for 2025, and are almost certain to go.
Gisborne income vs Kyneton (gate, bar, canteen, raffles, function etc) is equal to South, Sandhurst, K Flat and Maryborough combined over the past 5 years.

Whoever gave you this info is well off the mark. Which is unusual for you, as your mail is spot on most of the time. Put this in the return to sender file.
In any case - Kyneton have zero obligation to Gisborne to tell them what they are thinking. I’m fact I’d say they’d be the last club they’d collaborate with.
It’s clear through the lense of zero objection to Kyneton’s request to move that they weren’t wanted, by the commission more so than the league. The writing has been on the wall for some time, and was never more clear when their points allocation for 2023 was reduced by 3 points, after missing the 2022 finals, yet the Premier team in Gisborne remained with the same points. In what world does that make any sense, other than the delusional world the commission buffoons sit in?
Not only have clubs lost one of their highest gate and bar taking games with Kyneton gone, AFLCV have confirmed no change to the salary cap next year for the BFNL. 2 less games, to pay the same amount, with a good revenue raiser lost.

 

[Forest St End]

Whoever gave you this info is well off the mark. Which is unusual for you, as your mail is spot on most of the time. Put this in the return to sender file.

Came from a pretty solid source, which bit do you disagree with?

 

[Mad Jack]

Came from a pretty solid source, which bit do you disagree with?

Only thing Kyneton were talking to Riddell about this time last year was the juniors and women transferring.
Decision wasn’t made mid year. It was made 2-3 weeks ago.
Chapman left well before any league change was made.
Decision was made after the commission went public post their big meeting with all the clubs.

I’ve no idea if Gisborne were filthy about Kyneton not consulting them - though it’s laughable if they are.
And if they aren’t seriously exploring their options for 2025 and beyond then they are mad.

 

[Forest St End]

Only thing Kyneton were talking to Riddell about this time last year was the juniors and women transferring.
Decision wasn’t made mid year. It was made 2-3 weeks ago.
Chapman left well before any league change was made.
Decision was made after the commission went public post their big meeting with all the clubs.

I’ve no idea if Gisborne were filthy about Kyneton not consulting them - though it’s laughable if they are.
And if they aren’t seriously exploring their options for 2025 and beyond then they are mad.

Westy’s article in the addy had the Riddell CEO say this:


That doesn’t sound like two or three weeks to me so I’m going to stick with my man.

Filthy probably is a bit strong from me, but they certainly told Kyneton they would have appreciated knowing what they were thinking.