Best 22 2012

[gO_bOmBeRz]

From memory a few years ago Riemers played on a HBF against the Lions, played great.

Still prefer seeing him on a wing or in the middle where he dominated playing for Bendigo.

 

[Darealrath]

someone suggested reimers on a hbf, i think slapping him on a wing or a half back flank for a nab cup game is definitely worth a look. hes decently quick and a great kick, could giving him a defensive job actually teach him some kind of discipline and accountability? its worked for yarran and davis..
And it could release a heppell or a dempsey onto a wing. does this have any merit at all or am i just crazy?

Like you said he's quick and uses the footy very well so it's worth a shot IMO. Teams would obviously try and drag him back to the goal square to exploit him one on one so he'd want to prove he's capable of handling that.

I think the wing or very high half forward is his best position though. Gets starved of the footy playing deep inside the 50.

 

[Vass38]

Think Reimers could be good off a HBF, but at the moment hes definately needed forward. He has the highest goal average of any player at the club in 2011 with 1.8 per game, followed by Crameri 1.7, Hurley 1.5, Monfries/Zaka 1.4.
Until we find other forward options cant see him playing down back.

 

[morebeer]

B: Hardingham Hooker Fletcher
HB: Heppel Pears Dempsey
C: Stanton Watson Melksham
HF: Crameri Hurley Monfries
F: Colyer Carlisle Winders
R: Ryder Hocking Zaka
Int: Belly Lonergan Jetta Howlett

 

[theboys18]

hibberd,pears,fleth
mcveigh,hooker,dempsey
melksham,watson,heppell
winderlich,hurley,crameri
jetta,carlisle,colyer
ryder,stants,hocking
howlett,myers,longergan,hille
thoughts?

 

[Vass38]

hibberd,pears,fleth
mcveigh,hooker,dempsey
melksham,watson,heppell
winderlich,hurley,crameri
jetta,carlisle,colyer
ryder,stants,hocking
howlett,myers,longergan,hille
thoughts?

No Zaharakis...??

 

[BrunoV]

The team that I am most excited about seeing look something like this:

FB: Pears Hooker Hardingham
HB: Heppell Carlisle* Myers
C: Stanton Watson Zaharakis
HF: Dempsey Gumbleton* Crameri
FF: Ryder Hurley Reimers
R: Hille Hocking Howlett
In: Melksham Monfries Winderlich
Su: Jetta

Em: Hibberd Bellchambers Lonergan/Colyer

*In reality Fletcher will replace Carlisle (with Pears/Hooker to play CHB) and Carlisle will replace Gumby in the event that the green one is caught robbing any more 7/11s.


Obviously positions on the bench (other than the sub) arn't a reflection on standing within the team.

McVeigh will probably continue to play in our best side as well.

Lonergan can get his output to that of a consistent 20-25 possession midfielder, consistently influencing games, before I budge on him.

I could also readily swap Hibberd and Hardingham depending on which side of the bed I woke up on. Given that the last player I saw play is Hardingham, and the legend of the player who isn't in the side usually grows disproportionately to actual output, I will stay with Kyle.

 

[Dreambomber]

FB: Hardingham Pears Fletch
HB: Hibberd Hooker Dempsey
C: Zaharakis Watson Stanton
HF: Crameri Hurley Monfries
FF: Jetta Ryder Winderlich
R: Hille, Hocking, Lonergan or Howlett (can't decide which)

B: Carlisle, Heppell, Melksham, S: Colyer

E: Myers, Howlett/Lonergan, T.Bell

 

[cAsEy_18]

FB: Hibberd - Pears - Fletcher
HB: Hardingham - Hooker - Myers
C: Heppell - Melksham - Stanton
HF: Jetta - Hurley - Zaharakis
FF: Crameri - Carlisle - Winderlich
FOLL: Ryder - Watson - Hocking

INT: Howlett - Bellchambers - Reimers (Dempsey)

No Lonergan, Monfries, Hille, McVeigh, Colyer and the like suggests to me yet again that we have good depth. Our depth has been continuously brought into question the past few years, but the fact is we keep having to play our 35th-36th best players, and anyone will look weak if they have to do that. I'm confident that our 20-30 range is as good as anyone going around.

 

[The Fact]

FB: Hardingham Pears Fletch
HB: Hibberd Hooker Dempsey
Very Happy with the back line and i have no question marks over it.

C: Zaharakis Watson Stanton
Happy with this centre line though it could use some more speed though with Colyer coming in as the sub this will help. Hopefully Reimers could also get midfield fit for next and provide something as a quick inside mid and not just a small forward.

HF: Winderlich Hurley Monfries
FF: Jetta Carlisle Crameri
Not to bad but not great if the tall's can step up it looks very dangerous we just need Jetta to back himself more and if u can improve on his fittest again he could spend more time in the guts to provide some more pace, like Reimers hopefully.

R: Ryder, Hocking, Melksham
Looks alright with another year into melky i think he will improve yet again and be a very important player.

B: Hille , Heppell, Lonergan, S: Colyer
Heppell spending more and more time in the middle and providing the odd chop out in defence but must spend a good 70% of the year in the guts and the rest speak for themselves.

E: Myers, Howlett, Reimers
Howlett unlucky but lonergan just got him, myers back/mid back up reimers forward/mid

 

[rey del castillo]

First post on BF:

Pretty excited for 2012 propspects will be another tough year to make the eight with the continual re emergence of sides below i.e north, melb (new coach) Freo (new coach) Dogs (new coach) Richmond (lol)

I think a realistic tip is 5-8th probably losing in the first final again but alot more competitive.

My Best 22 is the side that would be named based on every player being fully fit round 1. Obviously form and fitness will contribute as the year progresses.

FB Hardingham Pears Fletcher
HB Dempsey Hooker Heppell
C Myers Hocking Stanton
HF Watson Carlisle Monfries
FF Colyer Hurley Jetta
R Ryder Zaharakis Winderlich
INTER:
Melksham Crameri Hille Mcveigh

E: (Players 23-25) Lonergan Howlett Reimers

This would leave: Bellchambers Gumbleton Davey Dyson Nathan Lovett Murray Welsh Prismall (Inj.) Hibberd Steinberg Ross & Slattery plus Hopefulls: Long Browne Davis and at least 3 new drafts.

At least one player needs to be traded/ delisted as we have only two players so far who have retired. Predicting more than one as we would probably want to draft a fourth player in the national draft or more likely get a pre season draft pick as the depth in the national draft is not good.

out of players 23-40

Obviously its either bellchambers or hille

For me hille gets the nod if fully fit round 1 and then form takes it from there.

I could only find 1 spot for Mcveigh Lonergan Howlett

I choose Mcveigh slightly over Lonergan and howlett is behind lonergan because lonergan is better at getting clearances and can kick more goals and they are about par on their inside work.

Gumbleton knock on wood is injury free and super fit starts in the vfl to string 1-2 good games togethere and then is straight in the side.

If hes body can hold up any thoughts on his ability to pinch hit in the ruck???

Reimers finished the season well and can be a gun.. hopefully he can take that next step and be accountable and consistent.

I rate NLM highly and when injury free and inform has a place in the side but you would think that development of younger players and his age would squeeze him out. Very good depth player.. a cut above at vfl

hibberd has to prove himself. did show potential up until..

Davey's best is very good and there is definately a place for him.

Seems though he needs to be alot fitter and has to be very aggressive like he is in some games..

Steinberg looks very dangerous as does ross who looks like a future player that can break the lines.. probably 3-5 games each next year

more time in the vfl for davis browne

WELSH: WHO KNOWS WHERE HE FITS IN
IF HE IS FULLY FIT?

which leaves henry slattery and ricky dyson.

these seem the two that are gotten rid of.. i rate dyson highly and think he also has a place playing senior football but is not going to get a game a head of young players because of his age. Dyson seems to need to play 4-5 games at senior level to get his confidence up and then performes very consistantly (GWS bound) also a clear cut above at vfl level.

Henry slattery will finally be delisted\ traded. Thank god!

The question is will essendon be envolved in the trade period which could see any player barring 8 or 9 go as part of a deal to land a pick or player?

 

[Vass38]

Hardingham Pears Fletch
Hibberd Hooker Heppell
Stanton Watson Melksham
Zaka Hurley Reimers
Crameri Carlisle Colyer

Ryder Hocking Howlett

Bench from Myers Monfries T.Bell Jetta

Emergency Lonergan Dempsey Winderlich

All of the emergencies have class and could easily come in but are all coming off injuries. Would really love Lonergan in particular to get back into the form he was in before he went down - was winning clearance after clearance and could become a very important player for us.
Left out veterans Hille, NLM & McVeigh - but all will have a role to play at some stage in 2012 no doubt.
No one else really stands out and may be traded - ie Welsh, Dyson, Gumby, Prismall, Davey etc etc and are likely only to be depth players you would think

 

[ProdigalProtege]

B: Hardingham Hooker Fletcher
HB: Heppell Pears Dempsey
C: McVeigh Watson Melksham
HF: Jetta Hurley Riemers
F: Davey Crameri Monfries
R: Ryder Hocking Zaharakis
Int: Stanton Hille Howlett
Sub: NLM/Coyler

Split on who is best for the sub because I think it'd depend on who we were playing: i.e. do we go for strength/versatility versus game-breaking ability and speed.

Welsh and Winders would both usually be in here if they find their top form, but never something to assume, particularly coming back from injury.

Carslie unlucky, but the side has looked weakest when too top heavy, and the likes of Hille, Fletch, Hooker and Pears all get the nod in the 22 over him for the moment. Same reasoning for not finding a spot for Belly yet. The three rucks experiment failed IMHO, and Hille is still too good a player to be dislodged as the 2nd ruck to Paddy (who should be left in the middle for most of the game, as the coaching staff appear to have now accepted).

Dyson and Pris have shown glimpses but never owned a spot (although Pris was looking close to it before going down) and would need big pre-seasons to be anything but depth. The likes of Ross may overtake them in the pecking order come 2012.

 

[Smyth94]

Think Reimers could be good off a HBF, but at the moment hes definately needed forward. He has the highest goal average of any player at the club in 2011 with 1.8 per game, followed by Crameri 1.7, Hurley 1.5, Monfries/Zaka 1.4.
Until we find other forward options cant see him playing down back.

Reimers' goals pg average his overstated by his one off 8 goal game vs GC whereas Hurley's is understated by playing at least 6 of his games in defence.

Hurley's goals pg is > 2

 

[SirJimi05]

B: Hardingham Hooker Fletcher
HB: Heppel Pears Dempsey
C: Stanton Watson Melksham
HF: Crameri Hurley Monfries
F: Colyer Carlisle Winders
R: Ryder Hocking Zaka
Int: Belly Lonergan Jetta Howlett

Where's Brock McLean?

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

People saying Dyson to GWS
They wont go for him unless Hurley signs before trade week
If he delays contract negotiations until the end of next year we may have a problem

 

[jsd09]

B: Myers Fletcher Hardingham
HB: Hibberd Pears Dempsey
C: Heppell Watson Melksham
HF: Monfries Hurley Winderlich
F: Jetta - Crameri - Colyer
R: Ryder Zaharakis Hocking

I: Lonergan - Carlisle(DEF)- howlett - Bellchambers
Emergencys: Prismall(knee) , Mcveigh - pushed out of the team , Hille - pushed out of the team


Notable Exclusions :

Dyson - GWS Bound
Hooker - Traded
Davey - Traded
Welsh - Playing VFL

 

[Doss]

^^^
Why would we possibly want to trade Hooker?

 

[deeplivid]

Getting in nice and early. Fun task to do. Would like to see the follow play as close to 25 games as possible.

B: Hibberd Fletcher Pears
HB: Dempsey Hooker Heppell
C: Zaharakis Watson Melksham
HF: Monfries Ryder Crameri
F: Winderlich Hurley Jetta
R: Bellchambers Stanton Hocking

INT: Howlett Myers Carlisle Reimers

Bad luck: Hardingham, McVeigh, Lonergan, Colyer, Ross, Hille, NLM, Prismall, Gumby

Would also like to see Browne, Ross, Steinberg and Long to play a few games, with the last two to debut.

Bad luck to Welsh too!

Don't see the fuss about Bellchambers. Sure he's consistent but never played with any degree of flair that Hille can play with and did play with early in his career. Hilly surely first pick over Bellchambers unless Hille gets worse next season.

Lonergan has been a really valuable player this year. Hasn't even been in the system too long so it's downright unfair and illogical to drop him now. I like Howlett but Lonergan has been clearly the more valuable player. But both should be in the squad.

Hibberd and Carlisle out. They will still get plenty of games due to injuries and suspensions.

NLM is better than Myers in every way I can imagine, for now.


B: Hooker, Fletcher, Pears
HB: Dempsey, Ryder, Heppell
C: Stanton, Watson, Zaharakis
HF: Jetta, Hurley, Winderlich
F: Monfries, Crameri, Davey
R: Hille, Lonergan, Hocking

INT: Lovett-Murray, Reimers, Howlett, Melksham

That's my tip for the start of the year anyway. I also tip the sub rule will be abolished.

 

[eth-dog]

Bad luck to Welsh too!

Don't see the fuss about Bellchambers. Sure he's consistent but never played with any degree of flair that Hille can play with and did play with early in his career. Hilly surely first pick over Bellchambers unless Hille gets worse next season.

Lonergan has been a really valuable player this year. Hasn't even been in the system too long so it's downright unfair and illogical to drop him now. I like Howlett but Lonergan has been clearly the more valuable player.

NLM is better than Myers in every way I can imagine.

Are you joking or? Welsh has been shocking

It's because Hille plays 1 game out of 5 now. He can't play well outside of Etihad, Bellchambers is consistent everywhere he's played this year. Hille is one of my favourite players, but T-Bell has overtaken him IMO.

Howlett shits on Lonergan. No joke, Lonergan gets clearances, but nothing else. He's been in the system since 2005. Howlett in his 2 years in the system that he can play inside, outside, forward, as a tagger, and is a better mark. I'm sorry, but the only area Lonergan even breaks even with Howlett in is inside grunt. I'd take Howlett way before Lonergan

This takes the cake. NLM is not as good as Myers. No where near it. NLM has worse skills, can't take talls, possibly a better small defender, and Myers is a far better decision maker. If NLM is better than Myers in every way you can imagine, why does Hirdy bring Myers straight into the seniors without playing in Bendigo, but NLM normally has to go through Bendigo?

 

[deeplivid]

Are you joking or? Welsh has been shocking

It's because Hille plays 1 game out of 5 now. He can't play well outside of Etihad, Bellchambers is consistent everywhere he's played this year. Hille is one of my favourite players, but T-Bell has overtaken him IMO.

Howlett shits on Lonergan. No joke, Lonergan gets clearances, but nothing else. He's been in the system since 2005. Howlett in his 2 years in the system that he can play inside, outside, forward, as a tagger, and is a better mark. I'm sorry, but the only area Lonergan even breaks even with Howlett in is inside grunt. I'd take Howlett way before Lonergan

This takes the cake. NLM is not as good as Myers. No where near it. NLM has worse skills, can't take talls, possibly a better small defender, and Myers is a far better decision maker. If NLM is better than Myers in every way you can imagine, why does Hirdy bring Myers straight into the seniors without playing in Bendigo, but NLM normally has to go through Bendigo?

You're not wrong - Welsh has been shocking. I just feel like he's had bad luck in general at the end of his career (not so much bad luck selection panel-wise as much as injury-wise).

Maybe Bellchambers has overtaken Hille. But for now that is yet to be proven. Hille still affects games, butnot always in the positve fashion as he has shat me to tears this year with his lack of second efforts and hopeless body-on-body work for marking contests (goes for a mark like it's a tap out). Yet he must get the nod ahead of Bellchambers, at least for the first several games of the season as a last chance. I expect a huge preseason from Hille because he has been unfit. If he continues at this rate Hille will deserves to lose his spot to Bellchambers even if Belly can't find that oomph factor that he desperately needs.

2005 ay? Shiiiet, shoulda checked my facts. Anyway I disagree that Lonergan is one-dimensional, even though the clearances are his obvious strength. Lonergan did more to win games for us this year than Howlett I don't want to put dirt on Howlett though because I like him alot. Lonergan stepped up big time when Watson and Hocking were gone. On one hand he might fall back into the shadows, but on the other I believe he grabbed the opportunity by the balls and won't let go.

Myers skills are hardly worth a mention. Myers looks lost most of the time and his decision making is worse than NLM (which is saying something). What NLM has in leaps and bounds is physicality, which is sorely missed in the team since MJ and JJ and Barnard and Solos. NLM also very good at riding tackles. NLM has 2nd 3rd 4th 5th efforts. For an old bloke NLM seems fitter than Myers. NLM is fast too and Myers looks like Karmichael Hunt. Myers might be better in the air spoiling but NLM is better in the air marking. NLM is an invaluable utility but Myers is one dimensional. Hirdy gives Myers a go because he wants to focus on the future and for all NLM's strengths he has only another year in him. Maybe by the end of next year I would pick Myers ahead of NLM in terms of winning the games at hand.

 

[Vass38]

Are you joking or? Welsh has been shocking

It's because Hille plays 1 game out of 5 now. He can't play well outside of Etihad, Bellchambers is consistent everywhere he's played this year. Hille is one of my favourite players, but T-Bell has overtaken him IMO.

Howlett shits on Lonergan. No joke, Lonergan gets clearances, but nothing else. He's been in the system since 2005. Howlett in his 2 years in the system that he can play inside, outside, forward, as a tagger, and is a better mark. I'm sorry, but the only area Lonergan even breaks even with Howlett in is inside grunt. I'd take Howlett way before Lonergan

This takes the cake. NLM is not as good as Myers. No where near it. NLM has worse skills, can't take talls, possibly a better small defender, and Myers is a far better decision maker. If NLM is better than Myers in every way you can imagine, why does Hirdy bring Myers straight into the seniors without playing in Bendigo, but NLM normally has to go through Bendigo?

Dont agree here. Not sure why you say the only area Lonergan breaks even is inside grunt....Id say he has more grunt than Howlett, and if you look at the stats this year they support that. In fact their 2011 stats are very similar, with Lonergan having a slight edge in clearances and contested possesions, Howlett on top in tackles.
Lonergan is a bit taller and stronger and in his early career has often played forward, is an OK contested mark for his size (certainly better than Howlett), provided many goal assists and has kicked more goals than Howlett.
Ridiculous to say 'Howlett shits on Lonergan' - Lonergan was really coming into career best form before he got injured - certainly was playing better than Howlett who I like and is pretty consistant but behind Lonergan at this point.

 

[reincarnated]

B: Fletcher, Hooker, Dempsey
HB: Hardingham, Pears, Hibberd
C: Stanton, Heppell, Zaharakis
HF: Jetta, Carlisle, Crameri
F: Reimers, Hurley, Winderlich
R: Ryder, Watson, Hocking
INT: Bellchambers, Howlett, Melksham, Colyer

Emeg: Lonergan, Monfries, Davey

 

[BrunoV]

Howlett shits on Lonergan. No joke, Lonergan gets clearances, but nothing else. He's been in the system since 2005. Howlett in his 2 years in the system that he can play inside, outside, forward, as a tagger, and is a better mark. I'm sorry, but the only area Lonergan even breaks even with Howlett in is inside grunt. I'd take Howlett way before Lonergan

I don't know about shits on but I certainly agree with everything else in this post. I'd like to think that the pressure is on Lonergan to displace Howlett in the side over summer. He is a fair way behind at this stage.

The two most overrated players on our list at the moment are Hibberd and Lonergan.

I don't dislike either as players but both have incredible reputations based on not much in the way of output. It hasn't hurt either player that they haven't been in the side for the last two months of the season.

 

[eth-dog]

I don't know about shits on but I certainly agree with everything else in this post. I'd like to think that the pressure is on Lonergan to displace Howlett in the side over summer. He is a fair way behind at this stage.

The two most overrated players on our list at the moment are Hibberd and Lonergan.

I don't dislike either as players but both have incredible reputations based on not much in the way of output. It hasn't hurt either player that they haven't been in the side for the last two months of the season.

Pigs rep was dramatically increased after toweling SJ for 3.5 quarters