Team Mgmt. 2024 Best 22 (or 23)

[nipst@r]

Redman McKay Ridley
Mcgrath Reid Martin?

Duursma Parish? Cox?
Draper? Merret Durham?

Geulfi? Jones? Stringer
Langford Wright Gresham?

Caldwell? Perkins tall sub? sub: development spot

3rd bench spot rotate based on development and opposition. Caddy, roberts, tsatas, Hayes, byran, davey.

We ain't winning much soon so should always have one spot on development and purely getting games in even if a fair bit of our best 22.

? Spots should be highly contested. Martin/durham play but more position ?

Kelly m plays most weeks when need expirience, defensive pressure.

This is ideal but in reality setterfield, heppel, goldy and laverde are playing most weeks to sure up the team as its fairly future focused.

 

[Skipper_]

IMO this is how Scoff sees the 23 fully healthy:

B: Ridley - McKay - Martin
HB: Redman - Reid - McGrath
C: Kelly - Merrett - Duursma
HF: Perkins - Wright - Stringer
F: Langford - Draper - Gresham
R: Goldstein - Parish - Durham
I/C: Setterfield - Caldwell - Heppell - Guelfi
Sub: Cox/Hobbs/Menzie

 

[fairbump_playon]

IMO this is how Scoff sees the 23 fully healthy:

B: Ridley - McKay - Martin
HB: Redman - Reid - McGrath
C: Kelly - Merrett - Duursma
HF: Perkins - Wright - Stringer
F: Langford - Draper - Gresham
R: Goldstein - Parish - Durham
I/C: Setterfield - Caldwell - Heppell - Guelfi
Sub: Cox/Hobbs/Menzie

I reckon if all goes well Jones replaces Goldstein and Davey replaces Guelfi

We need more pressure

 

[nipst@r]

IMO this is how Scoff sees the 23 fully healthy:

B: Ridley - McKay - Martin
HB: Redman - Reid - McGrath
C: Kelly - Merrett - Duursma
HF: Perkins - Wright - Stringer
F: Langford - Draper - Gresham
R: Goldstein - Parish - Durham
I/C: Setterfield - Caldwell - Heppell - Guelfi
Sub: Cox/Hobbs/Menzie

Agree, I'd put Goldstein out for Jones.
Heppel out for roberts/davey/caddy - development

That fwd line has no pressure or defensive attributes at all.

I really don't think we can play all of Wright, draper and Goldstein. We're just to poor defensively to carry 3.

 

[jannissary]

this is long term thinking, but depending on where we are by round 20~ or so, i think it'd be a good idea to get some games into youngsters like Caddy & Roberts (assuming they're playing well in the VFL) if we're either cemented in the finals or not making them, providing them with that opportunity will go long way to improve their skills and play against higher quality opposition (in my opinion)

 

[jdstorm]

my personal best 22 assuming full health

Ridley McKay Redman
McGrath Reid Caldwell
Martin Merrett Durham
Draper Setterfield Stringer
Perkins Jones Parish
Langford Wright Gresham

IC Cox Hobbs Dursma Davey
Sub Hind/Guelfi

That actually looks like a very good side if some of the younger guys develop into reliable players

 

[ant555]

my personal best 22 assuming full health

Ridley McKay Redman
McGrath Reid Caldwell
Martin Merrett Durham
Draper Setterfield Stringer
Perkins Jones Parish
Langford Wright Gresham

IC Cox Hobbs Dursma Davey
Sub Hind/Guelfi

That actually looks like a very good side if some of the younger guys develop into reliable players

May be best now but I am not sold on the long term. Not much forward pressure.

 

[jdstorm]

May be best now but I am not sold on the long term. Not much forward pressure.

Structurally it’s 3 pressure forwards (counting Parish, Gresham and Davey) + 2 midsize forwards (Perkins and Langford) who should be decent.

Obviously there’s always ways to upgrade. Stringer as a mid is on borrowed time and can’t play in that forward line. So it’s mid or bust.

Hayes, Baldwin, Roberts, Bryan, Tsatas, and Caddy chomping at the bit for more opportunities. Think the team should still have the goal of trying to build depth/talent level via drafting or F/A maybe trading some experienced players out for FRPs if the right opportunity presents itself.

 

[ant555]

Structurally it’s 3 pressure forwards (counting Parish, Gresham and Davey) + 2 midsize forwards (Perkins and Langford) who should be decent.

Obviously there’s always ways to upgrade. Stringer as a mid is on borrowed time and can’t play in that forward line. So it’s mid or bust.

Hayes, Baldwin, Roberts, Bryan, Tsatas, and Caddy chomping at the bit for more opportunities. Think the team should still have the goal of trying to build depth/talent level via drafting or F/A maybe trading some experienced players out for FRPs if the right opportunity presents itself.

It is one pressure forward. Gresham does not have the pace to play genuine pressure forward and Parish is a midfielder not a pressure forward. Midfielders do not make pressure forwards . You only have Davey as genuine pressure and he is still a level back from where he needs to be.

 

[nipst@r]

Crazy setterfield is rated so highly in many teams. Cheap depth but I dont see him as starting on ball or guaranteed best 22.

Durham, caldwell, parish, merret all ahead for mine.

Probably takes hobbs role on weekend but I'd be leaving the rest as is.

I always feel setterfield is slow but other have said has good pace?

 

[jdstorm]

It is one pressure forward. Gresham does not have the pace to play genuine pressure forward and Parish is a midfielder not a pressure forward. Midfielders do not make pressure forwards . You only have Davey as genuine pressure and he is still a level back from where he needs to be.

I’m using SF and Pressure forward interchangeably. I also think Parish is/should be fast enough to apply decent pressure. Might not be an elite guy but should do enough.

He was a good HF the first 5 years of his career.

You’d like more speed and would be looking for an upgrade there sooner rather then later with one of Stringer/Hobbs/Parish making way but for now I think it’s the best option to maximise talent/useful forwards on the team

 

[ant555]

I’m using SF and Pressure forward interchangeably. I also think Parish is/should be fast enough to apply decent pressure. Might not be an elite guy but should do enough.

He was a good HF the first 5 years of his career.

You’d like more speed and would be looking for an upgrade there sooner rather then later with one of Stringer/Hobbs/Parish making way but for now I think it’s the best option to maximise talent/useful forwards on the team

Parish has never been a high pressure player. Midfielders that hunt the footy in general do not make good pressure forwards. I know what you are trying to create but there are specialist spots and good sides have fast pressure forwards. Not converted midfielders. They can play a role in the rotations but they can not play the full role.

 

[ant555]

Crazy setterfield is rated so highly in many teams. Cheap depth but I dont see him as starting on ball or guaranteed best 22.

Durham, caldwell, parish, merret all ahead for mine.

Probably takes hobbs role on weekend but I'd be leaving the rest as is.

I always feel setterfield is slow but other have said has good pace?

Not crazy at all. When he has played midfield we have generally been good. The fact that Durham and Perkins stepped up has given us more options and not totally needing him there but you can not say when he has been fully fit that he has not made a difference to the side. You need 6 or 7 midfielders going well.

 

[Yoda_]

Pretty harsh but time to be a realist with what we have and our future prospects;

Back pocket; Jordan Ridley - star when on the park.
Full back; Ben McKay - serviceable, high quality role player
Back pocket; Andrew McGrath - serviceable who could be one of the better ones in a good system

Half back flank; Mason Redman - High quality role player in a good system. Think Brayden Maynard good
Centre half back; NEED A GOOD ONE
Half back flank; Nic Martin - I want to like this but like him more on a wing. Could use

Wing; Sam Durham - Good, high quality role player who is being used inside as much as the wing
Centre; Zac Merrett - Gun, star, captain
Wing; Xavier Duursma; Good honest role player, last week showed he can contribute.

Half forward flank; Archie Perkins - Unsure, is being used further up the ground which I am liking.
Centre half forward; NEED A GOOD ONE
Half forward flank; NEED A GOOD ONE

Forward pocket; Kyle Langford - Good, high quality role player who is borderline gun.
Full Forward; Peter Wright; Good high quality role player
Forward Pocket; Jake Stringer - Good, high quality role player, borderline gun

Ruck; Sam Draper / Todd Goldstein - Draper is not as good as he once promised, Goldstein is 35. Need tp upgrade
Rover; Jye Caldwell - Good honest role player.
Ruck Rover; Darcy Parish - Good player, borderline elite but not quite.

My two main queries moving forward are the forward group.

The forward group on paper looks a mishmash of match winners and goal kickers with high ceilings. How does it not consistently work?!?!?! A marking small forward is needed, a pressure small forward is also needed. As good as Jake and Kyle are, a small forward with elite speed is desperately needed.

The midfield is a mess. A lot of similarly athletic small midfielders, even the next wave of guys are small. When does it change?! Moving away from the size, we have no real match winner who can go through here apart from contract year Jake Stringer. Hell I would take a (1.76cm) Shai Bolton who can turn a game on it's head in a quarter. We have multiple good honest "match winners" who can perform across a game but none (bar Jake) who can turn a game on a dime in a quarter.

The 8 year plan that Scott was talking about will see over half this 22 not here if/when compete in 2032

Posted April 6, 2024

Same questions from pre season.. Role players need upgrading, rucks are not as good as we think, the forward group is poor if not pathetic and the back line needs improving.