Best 22 - 2016

[Gambit78]

I like the way Heir Apparent and Gone Critical have looked at our best 22 and squad. I think the other exercise that might be good to kill time with is pick the pies team of 2016 that would go up against the top 8 teams of 2015.

So, Hawthorn's GF 22:
B Ben Stratton, Brian Lake, James Frawley
HB Grant Birchall, Josh Gibson, Shaun Burgoyne
C Bradley Hill, Sam Mitchell, Isaac Smith
HF Cyril Rioli, Ryan Schoenmakers, Paul Puopolo
F Luke Breust, Jarryd Roughead, Jack Gunston
Fol David Hale, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis
I/C Ben McEvoy, Taylor Duryea, Liam Shiels
Matthew Suckling
Man for man, what would our side be?

B Williams, Frost, Brown
HB Sinclair, Reid, Langdon
C Sidebottom, Crisp, Varcoe
HF Swan, Cloke, Moore
F Elliott, White, Fasolo
C Grundy, Pendlebury, Adams
I/C Treloar, Howe, De Goey, Greenwood

Missing: Toovey, Maynard, Ramsay, Scharenberg, Aish, Marsh, Broomhead, Witts, Goldsack, Blair

...the thing is, I reckon that team would worry Hawthorn, but I would not say that is my first choice best 22.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

I like the way Heir Apparent and Gone Critical have looked at our best 22 and squad. I think the other exercise that might be good to kill time with is pick the pies team of 2016 that would go up against the top 8 teams of 2015.

So, Hawthorn's GF 22:
B Ben Stratton, Brian Lake, James Frawley
HB Grant Birchall, Josh Gibson, Shaun Burgoyne
C Bradley Hill, Sam Mitchell, Isaac Smith
HF Cyril Rioli, Ryan Schoenmakers, Paul Puopolo
F Luke Breust, Jarryd Roughead, Jack Gunston
Fol David Hale, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis
I/C Ben McEvoy, Taylor Duryea, Liam Shiels
Matthew Suckling
Man for man, what would our side be?

B Williams, Frost, Brown
HB Sinclair, Reid, Langdon
C Sidebottom, Crisp, Varcoe
HF Swan, Cloke, Moore
F Elliott, White, Fasolo
C Grundy, Pendlebury, Adams
I/C Treloar, Howe, De Goey, Greenwood

Missing: Toovey, Maynard, Ramsay, Scharenberg, Aish, Marsh, Broomhead, Witts, Goldsack, Blair

...the thing is, I reckon that team would worry Hawthorn, but I would not say that is my first choice best 22.

I think all of Maynard, Ramsey and Sharenberg will be in the side ahead of Sinclair.

Then again, Bucks seems to love Sinkers.

 

[Hardas]

I think all of Maynard, Ramsey and Sharenberg will be in the side ahead of Sinclair.
Then again, Bucks seems to love Sinkers.

They all have good qualities. We obviously haven't seen the best of Shaz, Maynard or Ramsay. With Langdon and Williams pretty much established, there's a squeeze there, at least until any of them show that they can play elsewhere longer term. Sinclair's an interesting one: I like players that get the best out of themselves. After a truly shaky beginning, he's improved significantly. He will have to continue to improve to stay/get ahead of the numbers lining up for a place.

 

[Nicco_jj]

I am SOOOOOOOO more than happy for Frost to miss out.

The very epitome of a back/depth option. Should not be starting 22. Not when Brown, Reid and Marsh are fit. No way no how.

I think you and I have a very similar view of what our backline should look like next year.

Brown is the stopper. Marsh is the pace and can play KP or small. Reid is the the CHB with a leg that can cut teams to pieces. We need his rebounding leg off the half back line.

 

[well left]

I reckon we just leave our best midfielder in the midfield. He went back and forward last season because he was hurt.

He is 27 not 32 and in the prime of his career as a mid.

Yep I agree. That's why I said when resting off the ball.

I'm backing Scharenberg to prosper with another preseason and if Reid goes back we should be good for disposal out of the back half.

If Swan plays more forward I think he and Pendles could rotate and would make us more dangerous.

 

[Vass]

B Williams, Brown, Marsh
HB Ramsay, Reid, Langdon
C Varcoe, Adams, Crisp
HF Swan, Cloke, Sidebottom,
F Elliott, Moore, Howe
C Grundy, Pendlebury, Treloar,
I/C Fasolo, Witts, Greenwood, Aish

Emg = Very unlucky, De Goey, Broomhead, Scharenberg

Next in line = Sinclair, Maynard, Ox, White, Frost, Toovey, Goldsack, Blair,

This is very hard, we have some amazing depth, I really wanted to put all 3 of the emgs in but could not find a place. Hoping all 3 a best 22 by mid season. I would like Witts to get first go at the second ruck role with the end of the sub rule. Also was thinking of leaving Howe out, but we picked him up to play him so he gets in ahead of De Goey and Broomhead. Scharenberg missed out in favour of Ramsay and Marsh bast on last years form but the preseason could change that.

 

[rand corp]

B: Marley, Frost/Brown, Marsh
HB: Maynard, Langdon/Ried, Scharenberg
C: Crisp, Treloar, Aish/Varcoe
HF: Elliot, Howe, De Goey
F: Blair, Cloke, Moore
R: Grundy, Pendlebury, Adams
Int: Swan, Steele, Fasolo, Greenwood
Emg: Broomhead, Ramsay, Witts

At the moment I am sure that if fit, Brown, Ried, Varcoe would be first options
Not convinced on Blair but he does bring needed defensive pressure - wish we had a pacy, silky crumber though.
Moore will give Grundy ruck relief in this scenario

 

[Gambit78]

I think all of Maynard, Ramsey and Sharenberg will be in the side ahead of Sinclair.

Then again, Bucks seems to love Sinkers.

Yes, I would agree with you normally. But defending against the hawk's small forwards, I think Sinclair would match up better than those you listed. Which was the point, I guess. Horses for Courses v Best 22...

 

[TradeDraft]

Yes, I would agree with you normally. But defending against the hawk's small forwards, I think Sinclair would match up better than those you listed. Which was the point, I guess. Horses for Courses v Best 22...

Problem is Sinclair is a Poor User of the Ball by Foot

 

[Jelly Bean]

B: Tom Langdon, Nathan Brown, Marley Williams
HB: Matt Scharenberg, Jono Marsh, Travis Varcoe
C: Steele Sidebottom, Levi Greenwood, Jack Crisp
HF: Jeremy Howe, Travis Cloke, James Aish
F: Jamie Elliott, Ben Reid, Darcy Moore
Fol: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar
Int: Dane Swan, Taylor Adams, Jordan De Goey, Alex Fasolo
Emer: Jackson Ramsay, Tim Broomhead, Adam Oxley, Brayden Maynard

Notes:
- More and more convinced we need to get Cloke back up to CHF. If we are going to rise up the ladder, we need to stop bombing into the forwardline in hope, and instead hit up players on the lead. Therefore Cloke can resume his contested marking role at CHF, where he is almost unbeatable, and won't have to compete against so many loose men.
- Moore to provide relief ruck. There is no way we would have Witts take up an interchange spot for no other reason than the value of his hitouts, as he isn't good enough at them to warrant it. For those hitouts, we'd be trading off more run through the midfield.
- Varcoe to half back. We need that attacking runner from half back who has excellent footskills (last seen with Leon Davis). Varcoe played this role at times last year, and is really good at it.
- If we need to get taller down back during the game, Reid can go back, and Howe can move to CHF. If we need to get taller down back before the game, we could swap out Fasolo for Frost, and push Varcoe forward.
- Our depth below this is pretty average (as we know, we lost Seed, Freeman, Kennedy, Dwyer, Karnezis in the off season) so if we are to contend we need a really good injury year...

 

[Robroy22]

Williams Brown Marsh
Scharenburg Reid Maynard
Varcoe Adams Howe
Elliot Cloke De Goey
Moore White Sidebottom

Grundy Pendlebury Treloar

Swan, Aish, Broomhead, Crisp

Em. Langdon/Goldsack, Greenwood, Blair, Frost, Witts, McCaffer, Ramsay, Fasolo, Toovey, Cox

Lots of depth....everyone plays at some stage, people who take their chances....stay in

 

[Gambit78]

Problem is Sinclair is a Poor User of the Ball by Foot

I disagree. I think that part of his game has improved markedly. He would be second to Scharenberg, on a par with Maynard, better than Ramsay, in my opinion.

 

[sirlothie]

Problem is Sinclair is a Poor User of the Ball by Foot

Problem is a fart knocks him over...

 

[THATSGOLD]

Problem is Sinclair is a Poor User of the Ball by Foot

Might be your best post of 2015.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Problem is a fart knocks him over...

Struggle to see why he was kept on the list must've been close between him and Ben Kennedy..

 

[THATSGOLD]

Williams Brown Marsh
Scharenburg Reid Maynard
Varcoe Adams Howe
Elliot Cloke De Goey
Moore White Sidebottom

Grundy Pendlebury Treloar

Swan, Aish, Broomhead, Crisp

Em. Langdon/Goldsack, Greenwood, Blair, Frost, Witts, McCaffer, Ramsay, Fasolo, Toovey, Cox

Lots of depth....everyone plays at some stage, people who take their chances....stay in

Notice our team is made up of mainly high draft picks. Only Marsh a pick in the 70s or something is the only player that's come on from late picks in that team.
Oh and Williams off rookie list.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Notice our team is made up of mainly high draft picks. Only Marsh a pick in the 70s or something is the only player that's come on from late picks in that team.
Oh and Williams off rookie list.

Swan, Crisp. Elliott was never drafted.

 

[nahnah]

TradeDraft I want to see your best 22!

 

[South of the Yarra]

Just too early to tell. Until we see the development over summer of Moore De Goey, Schaz etc then who knows. Those 3 plus others could become walk up starts or could need more development.

 

[Hardas]

Just too early to tell. Until we see the development over summer of Moore De Goey, Schaz etc then who knows. Those 3 plus others could become walk up starts or could need more development.

That's the thing: someone like Shaz would be expected to develop steadily into the player he was projected to be, but there's no guarantees, at least short-term. If the three that you mentioned, and the likes of Ramsay and Maynard, have great preseasons physically, they should/may push others out.
Ramsay may play ahead of Shaz, for example. De Goey may take a while to find his best form in his second year. It's hard to predict the pathways for younger players like them, and there will be quite a lot of competition for spots, which is of course a good trend.

 

[ADiddy4]

B: Tom Langdon, Nathan Brown, Marley Williams
HB: Matt Scharenberg, Jono Marsh, Travis Varcoe
C: Steele Sidebottom, Levi Greenwood, Jack Crisp
HF: Jeremy Howe, Travis Cloke, James Aish
F: Jamie Elliott, Ben Reid, Darcy Moore
Fol: Brodie Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar
Int: Dane Swan, Taylor Adams, Jordan De Goey, Alex Fasolo
Emer: Jackson Ramsay, Tim Broomhead, Adam Oxley, Brayden Maynard

Notes:
- More and more convinced we need to get Cloke back up to CHF. If we are going to rise up the ladder, we need to stop bombing into the forwardline in hope, and instead hit up players on the lead. Therefore Cloke can resume his contested marking role at CHF, where he is almost unbeatable, and won't have to compete against so many loose men.
- Moore to provide relief ruck. There is no way we would have Witts take up an interchange spot for no other reason than the value of his hitouts, as he isn't good enough at them to warrant it. For those hitouts, we'd be trading off more run through the midfield.
- Varcoe to half back. We need that attacking runner from half back who has excellent footskills (last seen with Leon Davis). Varcoe played this role at times last year, and is really good at it.
- If we need to get taller down back during the game, Reid can go back, and Howe can move to CHF. If we need to get taller down back before the game, we could swap out Fasolo for Frost, and push Varcoe forward.
- Our depth below this is pretty average (as we know, we lost Seed, Freeman, Kennedy, Dwyer, Karnezis in the off season) so if we are to contend we need a really good injury year...

Like it. Ironic mentioning Varcoe & Davis together, bad memories!!

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Struggle to see why he was kept on the list must've been close between him and Ben Kennedy..

You can't have Marley Williams as the only small defender, let alone the only small defender with the pace to keep up with the opposition's small forwards.

Honestly, most of you should know that I was never a Sinclair fan in the past but I'm turned on him. I don't mind him at all now. I wouldn't say I LIKE him per se, but I think he does a good job as a small defender. I think he's found his niche down there. At WORST, he acts as depth in case anything happens to Marley.

Small defender isn't an area we have a lot of depth in. Midfielders we have more of than we know what to do with, so you can see why Sinclair would be kept before Kennedy.

 

[12kilos]

B williams brown marsh
Hb sharanberg reid varcoe
C sidebottom crisp degoey
Hf howe moore aish
F elliot cloke swan
Foll grundy treloar penelbury
Inter adams maybard fassolo witts
Emerg langdon frost greenwood broomhead
Depth payers first of the rank, goldsack oxley white ramsay
Rest in case of a lot of injuries toovey macafer blair sinclair and pick 27

 

[THATSGOLD]

Swan, Crisp. Elliott was never drafted.

True. Got rid of a lot of crap now though like Seedsman Martin most rookies

You can't have Marley Williams as the only small defender, let alone the only small defender with the pace to keep up with the opposition's small forwards.

Honestly, most of you should know that I was never a Sinclair fan in the past but I'm turned on him. I don't mind him at all now. I wouldn't say I LIKE him per se, but I think he does a good job as a small defender. I think he's found his niche down there. At WORST, he acts as depth in case anything happens to Marley.

Small defender isn't an area we have a lot of depth in. Midfielders we have more of than we know what to do with, so you can see why Sinclair would be kept before Kennedy.

Sinclair is a liability to the side. If he was in the team like Hawthorn in defence he would be exposed for the fraud he is because he is such a poor kick and the wind knocks him off his feet. He's a replacement for Williams but a bloody poor one. Ramsay is much better.

 

[Collingwoodity]

I like that our back up squad could beat Carlton in 2016.

Carlton would lose to Carlton in 2016