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I'd swap Rosa with Shep though. Rosa's not brilliant but he's quite well rounded these days. Makes a fair difference to our side. Rosa on bench, Shep as sub, Wellingham on HFF, Selwood in the guts, Gaff on wing.
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I worry about Selwood's disposal. Over the years there's been so many players who can pile up possessions but if they have either/both of poor disposal or poor decision making their career gets cut short.
You typically get only x amount of disposals per game so you want don't want the lions share of disposals of the guys that don't have elite ball use skills. In recent years both Priddis and Rosa have had 40+ possession games and it's killed us. Unfortunately most people can't see past "but he had a good game" and "it's not his fault". The facts are that there's an opportunity cost if players without elite ball use skills are getting high numbers. Priddis and Rosa work most effectively when they play a small part. As a wingman, Braun's role was to be a conduit between back 50 and foward 50. Recieve ball, run with ball, deliver ball. A few years back, part because we were so shit, Rosa was getting 40 possessions and putting big high floters into the fwd line. That was killing us.
I prefer more pace on the wing, as in Shepard, Schoey, even Ellis. Rosa is good and solid, but he needs to get back that Braun type role he seemed to have nearly nailed 3 or so seasons back.
If Priddis and Selwood are getting the lion's share of possessions in the midfield then we are in trouble. Shuey, Wellingham, Gaff, Masten and the guys we want getting the big numbers.
You typically get only x amount of disposals per game so you want don't want the lions share of disposals of the guys that don't have elite ball use skills. In recent years both Priddis and Rosa have had 40+ possession games and it's killed us. Unfortunately most people can't see past "but he had a good game" and "it's not his fault". The facts are that there's an opportunity cost if players without elite ball use skills are getting high numbers. Priddis and Rosa work most effectively when they play a small part. As a wingman, Braun's role was to be a conduit between back 50 and foward 50. Recieve ball, run with ball, deliver ball. A few years back, part because we were so shit, Rosa was getting 40 possessions and putting big high floters into the fwd line. That was killing us.
I prefer more pace on the wing, as in Shepard, Schoey, even Ellis. Rosa is good and solid, but he needs to get back that Braun type role he seemed to have nearly nailed 3 or so seasons back.
If Priddis and Selwood are getting the lion's share of possessions in the midfield then we are in trouble. Shuey, Wellingham, Gaff, Masten and the guys we want getting the big numbers.
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I though Sheed was out of his depth the other day but feel he needs to be blooded into the team sooner rather than later.
Waters is a dud IMO. If we're serious about winning a flag we can't have people with such poor disposal in our team. And don't give me this "but he's ok when he's up and running" bollocks. He takes too long to get up and running and even then he is below par.
Crash and bash experts, or loose men in defence types who can intercept the ball isn't that hard to come by. Elite skills are.
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If Selwood and Priddis are getting first hands on the ball, then feeding it out to the better users by foot then we will be okay.
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If not Sheed, definitely Shep. Shep only did one or two things that were decent tuesday night (if thats what we're basing this best 22 on) and still missed a fair amount of his targets while doing it. Hutch had the most possessions and third highest SuperCoach ratings from the game of 107 where as Shephard was way down the bottom with a SC score 45 (if you count that stuff). I wish people would stop picking teams on what they wish a player who hasnt shown anything so far would do and based it on what they had done so far.
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Footy doesn't work like that. Good to see you're still a massive peanut.
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Why? have you never heard of potential?I wish people would stop picking teams on what they wish a player who hasnt shown anything so far would do and based it on what they had done so far.
There's a massive difference between "this is what I think the best 22 is" and "this is what I think the MRP thinks the best 22 is".
My jury is still out on Shepard but I've seen what Rosa can do and don't see improvement. He's okay, but that's just it, he's okay. He knows how to find the ball, he's now big bodies and doesn't shirk contests like he used to, but I still question his foot skills. I like Shepard's pace and footskills better. Will he end up a better option that Rosa? Don't know.
But this whole pretence you have of "this player is better than this player right now so has to play" is rubbish. Some players who had potential identified and MRPs want to get miles into their legs to bring them up to speed asap. It's just not as simple as you think.
By your logic Adam Selwood should still be playing in front of some of our younger players. It just doesn't work like that.
That also seemed to be the logic of the selection committee as A. Selwood played a lot of games last year.
Btw, can you get your jury to come by later, I have an argument with the missus I'd like to get settled.
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Hutchings to be in the 22. A player that capable & consistent, with good ball movement and excellent pressure, is wasted in the WAFL.
I would say our most important (irreplaceable) defenders are Glass, Mackenzie & Hurn. Another 13 or so players are in a big race for the next 3-4 spots, and this is the hardest to predict (given form, injuries & the new game plan).
That 13 would be Brown, Bennell, Sheppard, Yeo, Waters, Brennan, Ellis, Carter, Butler, Smith, Wilson, Schofield & Bennell.
Currently my picks would be Brown (we need a second key backman), Yeo, Ellis & Waters (if fit).
However, Schofield could add height & run (and could replace Brown against shorter teams) and Sheppard & Bennell both showed some good rebound. Looking forward to the next game, hopefully we can see how some of the other guys are tracking along.
I would say our most important (irreplaceable) defenders are Glass, Mackenzie & Hurn. Another 13 or so players are in a big race for the next 3-4 spots, and this is the hardest to predict (given form, injuries & the new game plan).
That 13 would be Brown, Bennell, Sheppard, Yeo, Waters, Brennan, Ellis, Carter, Butler, Smith, Wilson, Schofield & Bennell.
Currently my picks would be Brown (we need a second key backman), Yeo, Ellis & Waters (if fit).
However, Schofield could add height & run (and could replace Brown against shorter teams) and Sheppard & Bennell both showed some good rebound. Looking forward to the next game, hopefully we can see how some of the other guys are tracking along.
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I thought Rosa was very good on Tuesday, his kicking was fine & his running was good as always.
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What a load of bollocks. Adam Selwood is the opposite of what i was saying as he had gone way past his best and was there on reputation, not on form or current performance which is what it should be based on. Sheppard has been at our club for years, he is not like Dom Sheed who has only just been recruited and should be given time to adjust to AFL as a sub like we did with Gaff to give him a chance to settle in so we can see what he has to offer. As much as you might love his speed, his footskills leave a lot to be desired and he is still very soft. He does not demand a spot in the side through performances in the WAFL or AFL, and therefore you'd be losing out by putting him in over Rosa presently. if we have injuries or Sheppard plays so well in the WAFL or NAB that he demands a spot in the side through performance, only then should he be selected. Its the way the best teams have worked for years. I'm all for development, but not at the expense of the teams performance which right now, selecting Sheppard over, Cripps, Sheed, Hutch or Rosa would be doing.
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Where did we come on the ladder? Where's the coach this year?
You're logic is up your arse.
They don't pick teams just on who is better right now. Never have, never will.
Sheed will gain decent experience playing WAFL and still training with the big boys. He needs to get to the stage where selectors cannot ignore him if he wants to be brought up. Ideally 30+, and a goal a game would be nice but what we saw on Tuesday gives us no reason to select him over any of our current midfielders, Rosa/Priddis/Hutchings included. He got better as the game wore on and he probably has two more practice games to really show he is up for a Round 1 berth but otherwise, he should be made to earn it, potential be damned.
I would imagine that even if Sheed played every single game all year, Hutchings would still be the better player THIS year. Hes still only a young fella and his ability will grow with his body size and training. He does not neccessarily need to be playing AFL firsts to achieve that.
We are in the hunt for finals, so we should be playing our best team every week we can this year and there is no need to bring anyone up if they do not deserve based on CURRENT output.
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If you think I judge what I think our best 22 is on one game then you're mistaken. Shepard was ordinary on Tuesday, Rosa was okay, Priddis was good. But there's a bit more to it than 1 game.
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Congats on contradicting your earlier point.
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By that logic we'd be playing Lycett every week last year or teh year we drafted him in case he had the potential to be better than Cox or Nic nat, which doesnt & didnt happen. If he performs well enough to be played now, he gets played.
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How is that contradicting the point? Sheed was better on Tuesday than Sheppard and is a new player. He picked up 17 disposals playing through the middle and had some classy disposal while up against bigger bodies. Shep did one or two things of note and was way down the list of player performance ratings.
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Deserve and football have little in common.
Here's our midfield group in rough order:
Shuey, Masten, Wellingham, Gaff, Selwood, Priddis, Ellis, Hutchings, Rosa, Cripps, Yeo, Shepard, le Cras, Darling, Sheed, Newman
Essentially the team is being built with midfielders and KPPs. How many of those guys can you fir into the midfield? The guys at the right end will mostly play fwd or back, the first 8 will do the majority of the rotation (inc 2 wingmen). How many guys are can you fit? How good is Hutchings playing fwd? back? To me he's the ame player as Selwood and Priddis. He's either on the ball or the bench.
Sheed on the other hand will most likely be blooded in the forward line. I'm tipping him to play 7-9 games this year.
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You obviously havent paid much attention to his game then, because he hits more targets than both of those players and regularly kicks goals in the WAFL, which is starting to translate into his AFL games.
Being that the game is basically becoming prolific with mids that play other roles, who would you want on a wing/half fwd? Sheppard who gets 10 possessions a game and gets pushed off the contest regularly, or Hutchings who gets upwards of 25 posessions, is rated for contested possesions and defensive efforts and can hit a target when in space? Same goes for Rosa or Cripps who have more impact than Sheppard. There's just no case for him to be there at present until he shows he can live up to his potential and have more impact. If he cant do that in the WAFL he's unlikely to do it at AFL level.
Its good to see players like Cripps, Sinclair, Lycett, Hutchings, Shep & Bennell playing a good game on Tuesday as competition for spots looks to be heating up compared to last year when some of those players only got into the team to cover for injuries. Our depth is looking a lot better than last year and i feel a bit happier we have decent players to come in.
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Well its still early yet, so we'll have to wait to see how everyone goes when the action heats up once the season proper gets going, but it would be a nice hope that we get more from our fringe players so they can put heat on anyone in the side, as that creates competition for spots and usually drives a team forward.
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Hey Peanut, let me dumb this shit down for you because you seem to have a simplistic view of footy:
1. Has Shepard done anything so far to suggest he is a better player? Answer: No
2. Is Shepard soft? Answer: Yes, to date. needs to improve similar to where Rosa was 3-4 seasons back.
3. Do I think Shepard will be a better player in the long run? Answer: Yes, but no confident.
4. Then why do people people pick him ahead of Hutchings and Cripps?
Answer: Balance. Hutchings is a similar player to Priddis and Selwood. We can't have too many of this type. Shepard has speed and a history of good foot skills.
2 slow ball magnets with average foot skills + 1 quick outside with good footskills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 slow ball magnets with average foot skills
I'm not saying Shepard is going to be up to AFL standard. In fact we don't know yet. but if he comes good he will be valuable. More valuable than another player we have plenty of already.
This player X is better than player Y so must play theory you have is rubbish. We need some toe and that's why I have both Schoey and Shepard in my starting 22. Have a look at the difference Wojinnski, Isaac Smith, Motlop etc make to their respective sides. A quick player or two adds an extra dimension.
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