List Mgmt. Best 23 for 2024

Hank Heavenly · Dec 12, 2023

I reckon the stats lie a little.

I reckon every game there was one or two marks Grimes dropped (or gave away a free int he marking contest) that he would have take previously, then he would be in the 70+ range, and it would have been his 3rd-5th best season.

Muddiemoose · Dec 12, 2023

Hank Heavenly said:
I reckon the stats lie a little.

I reckon every game there was one or two marks Grimes dropped (or gave away a free int he marking contest) that he would have take previously, then he would be in the 70+ range, and it would have been his 3rd-5th best season.

He went from ave

Intercept marks
2021 - 2.5
2019 - 2.3
2022 - 2.1
2018 - 1.6
2020 - 2.0

2023 - 1

Intercept possies
2021 - 7.6
2022 - 7.2
2019 - 6.8
2018 - 6.7

2023 - 5.6

His 1 on 1 contest win rates are actually better last year compared to his best years but he’s having less one on one contests per game

Defensive 1 v 1 contests
2019 - 3.6
2021 - 2.7
2022 - 2.7

2020 - 2

D 1v1 loss rate
2022 - 12.5
2023 - 18.2
2018 - 18.3
2019 - 20.7

So he isn’t dropping any more, if anything he is dropping less next bar the outlier year of 2022
Free kicks given away are unchanged throughout ave 1 a game

The drop in other states indicates a role change over a dramatic form drop obviously his form would of dropped to some degree but not to the amount the stats suggest

Combine that with the fact that Balta took record intercepts last season it’s pretty clear he played a different role

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Future Third · Dec 12, 2023

My Current 23 for Round 1.

Give some of the kids a go early I reckon, but there is hopefully going to be some handy competition for each line.

I think we are going to be able to put a pretty competitive team on the ground each week.....

FB	Vlastuin	Young	Broad	Gibcus	Miller
HB	D Rioli	Grimes	Short	Tresize	Ralph
C	Banks	Hopper	Brown	Pickett	Mcintosh
HF	Martin	Balta	Bolton	Clarke	Bauer
FF	Cumberland	Lynch	Coulthard	Koz	Mansell
R	Taranto	Nank	Prestia	Dow	Mcauliffe

B	Ross	Baker	Graham
	Sons	Ryan

Morro · Dec 12, 2023

Future Third said:
My Current 23 for Round 1.

Give some of the kids a go early I reckon, but there is hopefully going to be some handy competition for each line.

I think we are going to be able to put a pretty competitive team on the ground each week.....

FB Vlastuin Young Broad Gibcus Miller
HB D Rioli Grimes Short Tresize Ralph
C Banks Hopper Brown Pickett Mcintosh
HF Martin Balta Bolton Clarke Bauer
FF Cumberland Lynch Coulthard Koz Mansell
R Taranto Nank Prestia Dow Mcauliffe
B Ross Baker Graham
Sons Ryan

I like brown and banks on the wings

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tropicaltiger · Dec 12, 2023

Grrr said:
is he still a flog though?

half a flog now is Tex. definitely has pulled his head in.

tony__montana · Dec 12, 2023

SA_Tiger11 said:
I reckon those writing Grimes off will end up with some egg on their face. Tipping him to return to solid form.

Might also end up with egg on my face, but I’m backing the champion in.

He actually got a bum wrap from all of us last season - his form for mine was actually better than 2022 for large parts of games its just he'd deliver a howler or two which would just make us melt and that's all we'd remember from the games. I've had a distinct feeling he wasnt as fit or focused as he should be since 2020 along with cotch and jack(just a feeling) but the fact he's given up co captaincy to focus on himself shows he's pretty serious about this coming season.

I hope he has a good year but if father time has well and truly caught up with him, I really hope we don't keep playing him when its clear the time has come

the underdog · Dec 13, 2023

Not sure if you caught Yze’s speech at the AGM, but it sounds like he’s pretty keen to provide some of the kids with early opportunities.

I wonder which senior players might be made to wait.. Pickett, Mccintosh, Grimes?

tiger_tough · Dec 13, 2023

Morro said:
I like brown and banks on the wings

Elite ball users.

Does Brown have the tank?

tiger_tough · Dec 13, 2023

the underdog said:
Not sure if you caught Yze’s speech at the AGM, but it sounds like he’s pretty keen to provide some of the kids with early opportunities.

I wonder which senior players might be made to wait.. Pickett, Mccintosh, Grimes?

They're the 3 obvious ones.

JAKLAUGHING · Dec 13, 2023

the underdog said:
Not sure if you caught Yze’s speech at the AGM, but it sounds like he’s pretty keen to provide some of the kids with early opportunities.

I wonder which senior players might be made to wait.. Pickett, Mccintosh, Grimes?

Graham, Prestia, Hopper, MRJ...

Oldest Tiger · Dec 15, 2023

To me Bauer is a potential revelation as a winger. He is tall.192. mobile, an elite mark, has proven himself as both a forward and backman based on how quick he is at reading the game. Better back than Pickett, better forward than McIntosh. Worth a try to check endurance and speed, both of which are yet to be fully tested ( same with Banks) and may be a moot point with new game plan.

Morro · Dec 15, 2023

Oldest Tiger said:
To me Bauer is a potential revelation as a winger. He is tall.192. mobile, an elite mark, has proven himself as both a forward and backman based on how quick he is at reading the game. Better back than Pickett, better forward than McIntosh. Worth a try to check endurance and speed, both of which are yet to be fully tested ( same with Banks) and may be a moot point with new game plan.

Doesn’t work hard enough

sregit · Dec 17, 2023

Morro said:
Doesn’t work hard enough

If Bauer doesn’t work hard enough, then no position should be available to him. I also would like to see him used or at least tried in a wing / forward flank role. If he’s not prepared to show the required work rate then send him packing. I think he can make a good fist of it as he is a very mobile type.

captain cotch 9 · Dec 17, 2023

With Yze emphasis on good skills, it’s a bad sign for Picket. His kicking is shit

beema limapep · Dec 17, 2023

Gotta get Grimes out of the 23.

Pattiger · Dec 18, 2023

Oldest Tiger said:
To me Bauer is a potential revelation as a winger. He is tall.192. mobile, an elite mark, has proven himself as both a forward and backman based on how quick he is at reading the game. Better back than Pickett, better forward than McIntosh. Worth a try to check endurance and speed, both of which are yet to be fully tested ( same with Banks) and may be a moot point with new game plan.

How about Tresize and Mcauliffe on the wing - expecting them to have a big season

_RT_ · Jan 7, 2024

Below is the team I'd like to see us use as the foundation of our 2024 line up. The focus is primarily on long term development of the next generation, while also giving us a good chance to win games or at the very least be competitive in most games. In the VFL there will be a large number of experienced premiership winners running around, who can not only provide leadership/mentoring to the kids coming through, but can be there to come in to the senior side if/when required for injuries/poor form

B: Josh Gibcus (20yo 18 games) Noah Balta (24yo 85 games) Tyler Young (25yo 19 games)

HB: Daniel Rioli (26yo 160 games) Nick Vlastuin (29yo 211 games) Jayden Short (28yo 153 games)

C: Sam Banks (20yo 6 games) Tim Taranto (26yo 137 games) Jack Ross (23yo 63 games)

HF: Shai Bolton (25yo 113 games) Jacob Koschitzke (23yo 48 games) Liam Baker (26yo 110 games)

F: Dustin Martin (32yo 289 games) Tom Lynch (31 yo 216 games) Noah Cumberland (22yo 18 games)

R: Toby Nankervis (29yo 136 games) Jacob Hopper (27yo 130 games) Thomson Dow (22yo 17 games)

INT: Tom Brown (20yo 1 game) Tyler Sonsie (21yo 10 games) Kane McAuliffe (19yo YTD) Samson Ryan (23yo 15 games) Judson Clarke (20yo 16 games)

B: Kaleb Smith Ben Miller Dylan Grimes

HB: Hugo Ralphsmith Nathan Broad James Trezise

C: Kamdyn McIntosh Jack Graham Marlion Pickett

HF: Matthew Coulthard Jacob Bauer Steely Green

F: Rhyan Mansell Liam Fawcett Seth Campbell

R: Sam Naismith Dion Prestia Maurice Rioli

INT: Mate Colina Oliver Hayes-Brown

Hank Heavenly · Jan 8, 2024

_RT_ said:
Below is the team I'd like to see us use as the foundation of our 2024 line up. The focus is primarily on long term development of the next generation, while also giving us a good chance to win games or at the very least be competitive in most games. In the VFL there will be a large number of experienced premiership winners running around, who can not only provide leadership/mentoring to the kids coming through, but can be there to come in to the senior side if/when required for injuries/poor form

B: Josh Gibcus (20yo 18 games) Noah Balta (24yo 85 games) Tyler Young (25yo 19 games)

HB: Daniel Rioli (26yo 160 games) Nick Vlastuin (29yo 211 games) Jayden Short (28yo 153 games)

C: Sam Banks (20yo 6 games) Tim Taranto (26yo 137 games) Jack Ross (23yo 63 games)

HF: Shai Bolton (25yo 113 games) Jacob Koschitzke (23yo 48 games) Liam Baker (26yo 110 games)

F: Dustin Martin (32yo 289 games) Tom Lynch (31 yo 216 games) Noah Cumberland (22yo 18 games)

R: Toby Nankervis (29yo 136 games) Jacob Hopper (27yo 130 games) Thomson Dow (22yo 17 games)

INT: Tom Brown (20yo 1 game) Tyler Sonsie (21yo 10 games) Kane McAuliffe (19yo YTD) Samson Ryan (23yo 15 games) Judson Clarke (20yo 16 games)

B: Kaleb Smith Ben Miller Dylan Grimes

HB: Hugo Ralphsmith Nathan Broad James Trezise

C: Kamdyn McIntosh Jack Graham Marlion Pickett

HF: Matthew Coulthard Jacob Bauer Steely Green

F: Rhyan Mansell Liam Fawcett Seth Campbell

R: Sam Naismith Dion Prestia Maurice Rioli

INT: Mate Colina Oliver Hayes-Brown

I don't mind it all all, I think Broady is the one thats stiff, he was probably our most consitant def last year and offeres flexibility.
And Trezise is one of the next gen kids I woud like to see us put games into as well, as I reckon he will compliment them extrememly well in a couple of years time.

_RT_ · Jan 8, 2024

Hank Heavenly said:
I don't mind it all all, I think Broady is the one thats stiff, he was probably our most consitant def last year and offeres flexibility.
And Trezise is one of the next gen kids I woud like to see us put games into as well, as I reckon he will compliment them extrememly well in a couple of years time.

For me it's Broad v Young v Brown for the final spot in the back 7. I'd like to start with Young and Brown if their preseason warrants selection, if they struggle then we can bring in Broad, but I wouldn't be against Broad getting the starting slot either.

Hank Heavenly · Jan 8, 2024

_RT_ said:
For me it's Broad v Young v Brown for the final spot in the back 7. I'd like to start with Young and Brown if their preseason warrants selection, if they struggle then we can bring in Broad, but I wouldn't be against Broad getting the starting slot either.

I'd happily move Short to a wing to allow Broady in there, Ross playing Mid minutes instead of wing minutes which means KM or JC might miss.

Im all for playing the kids, but playing too many in the one side before they have that experience presents some challenges as well.

Pattiger · Jan 8, 2024

Hank Heavenly said:
I'd happily move Short to a wing to allow Broady in there, Ross playing Mid minutes instead of wing minutes which means KM or JC might miss.

Im all for playing the kids, but playing too many in the one side before they have that experience presents some challenges as well.

Who is JC - Jason Costanza !

Hank Heavenly · Jan 9, 2024

Pattiger said:
Who is JC - Jason Costanza !

out of retirement, you beauty!!!!

Juddy Clark

THE THIN MAN · Jan 9, 2024

sregit said:
Grimes deserves the chance to show he still can be a very valuable player. I also think renewed enthusiasm with a new coaching team will be just the injection required for our older players. I’m also backing him in.

Offsite injections are illegal, ask the Essendon Football Club if in doubt!

Maurice Mitchell · Jan 11, 2024

I’ve got 35 in the running. Too hard.

TigerImposter · Jan 12, 2024

Muddiemoose said:
He went from ave

Intercept marks
2021 - 2.5
2019 - 2.3
2022 - 2.1
2018 - 1.6
2020 - 2.0

2023 - 1

Intercept possies
2021 - 7.6
2022 - 7.2
2019 - 6.8
2018 - 6.7

2023 - 5.6

His 1 on 1 contest win rates are actually better last year compared to his best years but he’s having less one on one contests per game

Defensive 1 v 1 contests
2019 - 3.6
2021 - 2.7
2022 - 2.7

2020 - 2

D 1v1 loss rate
2022 - 12.5
2023 - 18.2
2018 - 18.3
2019 - 20.7

So he isn’t dropping any more, if anything he is dropping less next bar the outlier year of 2022
Free kicks given away are unchanged throughout ave 1 a game

The drop in other states indicates a role change over a dramatic form drop obviously his form would of dropped to some degree but not to the amount the stats suggest

Combine that with the fact that Balta took record intercepts last season it’s pretty clear he played a different role

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He did play a different role bc he was failing in the role he was once competent in. This happened to a few guys last year That were past their use by date. The CD rather than dropping them and giving kids a go played musical chairs with the old legends.

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