Best 23 in 2025

[Cousin of Daicos]

How many of those playing in our current fwd line in year 1, at a different ground?

You do realize that what has happened at other clubs and their fwd structures & gameplan may actually have some impact on a players output?

You often use historical references and stats to define a players worth.
The last 3 years should tell you the current pies don't value the same stats you do.

I can guarantee you the pies will value defensive pressure, workrate, not getting out marked (for a tall) and probably score involvements far above a meaningless goal tally.

He will be judged and selected on his ability to perform the job asked of him .....not on whether he kicks 1.6 goals a game at another club that plays a vastly different gamestyle and predominately plays at Marvel and not the MCG.

I mean, you can say all this and yet somehow forget/ignore that...we recruited him

So they must value his St.Kilda output at least a little bit right?

You're making it sound like the dude is a waste of space whose St.Kilda output has no substance but we still recruited him. So did we just recruit him for the sake of it?

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

I mean, you can say all this and yet somehow forget/ignore that...we recruited him

So they must value his St.Kilda output at least a little bit right?

You're making it sound like the dude is a waste of space whose St.Kilda output has no substance but we still recruited him. So did we just recruit him for the sake of it?

Nope. We recruited him as an upgrade on Kreugs and most likely on minimum chips....but still as that 4/5th tall.
I.e. quality depth and first man up when needed.

Certainly not a waste of space.

Which is actually the very first comment i made.

Anyway, lets leave it there.
I'd be super happy to see him perform well.

He'll get a shot at some stage and i think he'll perform well.
I just don't have him in the 'best 23' come round 1.

...but long way to go before then.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

A more interesting starting team would be the VFL. Looking at the talent - and potential talent - in that will determine how well our squad are going.

From the señors we have the following not yet able to consistently break in (for now at least):-

(Bolded names for those likely to rotate through at some stage).

Ed Allan
Reef McInnes
Ash Johnson
Tew Jiath
Curtis Mayfield (nee Taylor )
Hazza DeMazza
Frampton
Fin Macrae
Oscar Steene
Lachie Sullivan
Harvey Harrison (mid-year?)
Oleg Markov
Wil Parker
Ned Long
Charlie Dean
Iliro Smit
Joel Cochrane
Jakob Ryan
Will Hayes
Charlie West

and then...

Sam Sofrinidis?
Tom McGuane?

(As an aside - does Patrick Farrant sound a little like a Shelbyville version of Chris Tarrant? https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/teams/vfl)

There's 22 players not counting the rest of the VFL squad, pretty much most of which you'd be hoping/expecting to get a game in the big time or developing well enough to be considered at least.

This feels the healthiest we've been for quite some time, especially since we have emergencies for some of our key players already covered. Not to poke bad luck, just to say it's heartening to see some better list management with some solid picks and a good variety of positions in place.

 

[timokane]

What about this one:

fb: howe reef maynard
cb: houston moore josh daicos
c: iq nick daicos hill
cf: mccreery mcstay de goey
ff: elliott checkers membrey
r: cameron crisp pendles/perryman

 

[Peters_Nuts]

Howe Reef Quaynor
Crisp Moore Houston
Daicos Perryman Lipinski
Hill Mihocek Schultz
Elliott McStay Membrey
Cameron Daicos Degoey

I/C: Pendles, Allan, Mcreery, Cox
Sub: WHE

 

[manicpie]

Howe Reef Quaynor
Crisp Moore Houston
Daicos Perryman Lipinski
Hill Mihocek Schultz
Elliott McStay Membrey
Cameron Daicos Degoey

I/C: Pendles, Allan, Mcreery, Cox
Sub: WHE

I like it and agree that Membery will play round one

 

[Granit1962]

Howe Reef Quaynor
Crisp Moore Houston
Daicos Perryman Lipinski
Hill Mihocek Schultz
Elliott McStay Membrey
Cameron Daicos Degoey

I/C: Pendles, Allan, Mcreery, Cox
Sub: WHE

I like it, but hope Reef gets a chance to lock down a back position in the VFL or shows outstanding practice match form. No Sidebottom doesn’t feel right. Rewatching the Brissie match late last season, and he’s was excellent.

At this early stage, I would go with Dean or Frampton and FB (late Reef earn it) and Sidebottom for Allan (again has’t done enough yet to push Sidebottom out. Saying that, Reef and Allan coming on in these respective positions and becoming an upgrade on Dean and Sidebottom would be amazing!

 

[timokane]

Where do we think Pendles will play most of the time.

For me i like him play as forward.

Kind of half forward area and could be part of our forward line.

As for wings i like IQ and Hill on the wings.

Spoke to Nathan Murphy last week at Pies HQ he said that Reef and Dean as likely for like replacements for Murphy. Said both are great and Nathan are working with them a heap and its like Nathan is their coach.

I think 2025 we will see both Nick Daicos and De Goey come off the ball and play just forward of the ball.

Time for others to shoulder the load when it comes to playing on ball.

Tim Membrey i would say play say 12 matches he is more of a depth player and good foil to cover McSatay and Checkers.

But a good depth player at that.

Plus looking forward seeing the next generation starting to come through as well.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

"Tim Membrey will be depth" lol

 

[Doc1763]

Howe Reef Quaynor
Crisp Moore Houston
Daicos Perryman Lipinski
Hill Mihocek Schultz
Elliott McStay Membrey
Cameron Daicos Degoey

I/C: Pendles, Allan, Mcreery, Cox
Sub: WHE

So, now Bruzzy is depth is he?

 

[Jen2310]

Do, now Bruzzy is depth is he?

Someone misses out entirely. Is structure more important or flexibility? One of WHE or Cox would have to miss out.

 

[Doc1763]

Someone misses out entirely. Is structure more important or flexibility? One of WHE or Cox would have to miss out.

Yes, some good players are going to miss out. I don’t think it will be Bruzzy

 

[Jen2310]

Yes, some good players are going to miss out. I don’t think it will be Bruzzy

No, it won't be.

will be interesting to see the A's v B's post christmas to see the preferred set up

 

[Eric Shin]

"Tim Membrey will be depth" lol

There's no way he comes to us just to be depth


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[Cousin of Daicos]

There's no way he comes to us just to be depth


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That’s what a shockingly decent number of posters here seem to believe

Which is baffling to say the least

 

[Peters_Nuts]

So, now Bruzzy is depth is he?

Ffs I thought I nailed it.

Out: Allan or Cox pending match up
In: Bruz

 

[Jen2310]

The coaches have this break before January to decide what structure they want to go with.
2 talls + 2 rucks
3 talls + 1 ruck
If its 3 talls + 2 rucks (which I'm told is unlikely) then someone in the forward line misses out.

Because we have so many good smalls, it makes the ability to play too many talls tough. Most teams generally don't have 4 small forwards.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

The coaches have this break before January to decide what structure they want to go with.
2 talls + 2 rucks
3 talls + 1 ruck
If its 3 talls + 2 rucks (which I'm told is unlikely) then someone in the forward line misses out.

Because we have so many good smalls, it makes the ability to play too many talls. Most teams generally don't have 4 small forwards.

Depending on structure/setup/gameplan you can totally go with 3 "talls" (Mihocek and Membrey aren't actually talls) and 2 rucks

It could be that we utilise one of the sub spots almost exclusively for the two rucks. again I repeat, could.

The thing is, Membrey isn't a tall. Much like Jamie isn't a tall. Yet both can very much play tall.

I have no idea which way we'll ultimately go, I just very much doubt that Membrey was brought in to be depth.

 

[Jen2310]

Depending on structure/setup/gameplan you can totally go with 3 "talls" (Mihocek and Membrey aren't actually talls) and 2 rucks

It could be that we utilise one of the sub spots almost exclusively for the two rucks. again I repeat, could.

The thing is, Membrey isn't a tall. Much like Jamie isn't a tall. Yet both can very much play tall.

I have no idea which way we'll ultimately go, I just very much doubt that Membrey was brought in to be depth.

Maybe not.
But I was told we can't play them all, and membrey was a free hit so didn't really matter what we did with him. Even as depth/back up, would be handy. If he ends up more than that, it's a bonus.
And he's not a traditional tall, but more of a third tall which is the role WHE plays.
So if we play the two rucks and 3 talls, then WHE prob misses out completely. Or one of the smalls.

Its hard to say atm, but over the last couple match sims, seems to be using a ruck in the forward line, and 2 talls. Haven't seen anyone else rucking apart from Oscar/DC, Cox/Smit (both playing 2nd ruck)

I’d be very surprised if we went to 1 ruck as it’s not something that’s been done under fly so I don’t think they’ll change that structure wise.

 

[Peters_Nuts]

Depending on structure/setup/gameplan you can totally go with 3 "talls" (Mihocek and Membrey aren't actually talls) and 2 rucks

It could be that we utilise one of the sub spots almost exclusively for the two rucks. again I repeat, could.

The thing is, Membrey isn't a tall. Much like Jamie isn't a tall. Yet both can very much play tall.

I have no idea which way we'll ultimately go, I just very much doubt that Membrey was brought in to be depth.

Agree with this. We saw how well the Cameron & Cox duo worked in 2023. Take advantage of Cox against the opposing teams second ruck, which is most likely a key forward these days. If it’s not working, sub in a player like WHE who can bring pace and versatility across the ground for Cox.

It’s not like we’re playing 3 x 200cm talls. All of McStay, Mihocek and Membrey can cover the ground well and apply great pressure for their size.

 

[manicpie]

Agree with this. We saw how well the Cameron & Cox duo worked in 2023. Take advantage of Cox against the opposing teams second ruck, which is most likely a key forward these days. If it’s not working, sub in a player like WHE who can bring pace and versatility across the ground for Cox.

It’s not like we’re playing 3 x 200cm talls. All of McStay, Mihocek and Membrey can cover the ground well and apply great pressure for their size.

It seems that Cameron plays best when he rucks most of the game. Fly has already said that he wants more goals which is why Membrey was taken. Cox is the one who'll be used more sparingly this year I reckon. We'll work out a way of giving Cameron a couple of breathers in a game

 

[Jen2310]

It seems that Cameron plays best when he rucks most of the game. Fly has already said that he wants more goals which is why Membrey was taken. Cox is the one who'll be used more sparingly this year I reckon. We'll work out a way of giving Cameron a couple of breathers in a game

The ruck situation will be an interesting thing going into preseason games. Things can change. From what I’m seeing so far Cameron is rucking most of the time with cox playing forward - generally in the goal square on Moore ( on separate teams)


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[Lings of Geelong]

Yep I'm in the Cox misses if our best 23 is available camp.

Quaynor Moore Maynard
Houston Howe J Daicos
Lipinski De Goey Sidebottom
Schultz Mihocek Hill
McCreery McStay Elliott
Cameron N Daicos Crisp
Pendlebury Mitchell Perryman Membrey Hoskin-Elliott (sub)

Emg - Cox, Allan, McInnes

 

[Mick F]

The coaches have this break before January to decide what structure they want to go with.
2 talls + 2 rucks
3 talls + 1 ruck
If its 3 talls + 2 rucks (which I'm told is unlikely) then someone in the forward line misses out.

Because we have so many good smalls, it makes the ability to play too many talls tough. Most teams generally don't have 4 small forwards.

Very much so. Historically the preferred structure has been two talls, a medium (eg Henry), a small and two midfielders (in rotations).

(a) We do however require a second ruckman.
(b) It is unlikely that a player ‘inferior’ to Hill/Schultz will be selected merely because he is 5cm taller.

 

[domus]

Maybe not.
But I was told we can't play them all, and membrey was a free hit so didn't really matter what we did with him. Even as depth/back up, would be handy. If he ends up more than that, it's a bonus.
And he's not a traditional tall, but more of a third tall which is the role WHE plays.
So if we play the two rucks and 3 talls, then WHE prob misses out completely. Or one of the smalls.

Its hard to say atm, but over the last couple match sims, seems to be using a ruck in the forward line, and 2 talls. Haven't seen anyone else rucking apart from Oscar/DC, Cox/Smit (both playing 2nd ruck)

I’d be very surprised if we went to 1 ruck as it’s not something that’s been done under fly so I don’t think they’ll change that structure wise.

We get on this merry go round every year. Two rucks is our best set up and this has been proven true throughout Fly's tenure. Our structure is more balanced with Cameron and Cox in the 22.