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Forgive me if this has been done, but i cant sleep so im trying to exhaust the
brain.

A little hindsight exercise.
Since 2000, of the top 3 picks, who has been the better pick.
i will bolden my choice

2000
1-Riewoldt
2-Kosi
3-Didak

2001 - the big one
1-Hodge
2-Ball
3-Judd

2002
1-Goddard
2-Wells
3-Brennan

2003
1-Cooney
2-Walker
3-Sylvia

2004 - i should do the top 6 here
1-Deledio
2-Roughead
3-Griffen

2005
1-Murphy
2-Thomas
3-Ellis

2006 - a bit unfair considering Gibbs dodged the injury curse
1-Gibbs
2-Gumbleton
3-Hansen

2007
1-Kruezer
2-Cotchin
3-Masten

2008 not going to do this one. Nat and Watts yet to play.
 

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Hodge has Judd covered any day of the week.
Hodge has had one good season in eight. I admit that he is a great player, but he is no where near Judd at the moment. Maybe if he strings a couple of good seasons together and Judd doesnt play to his standard as often. Then you can consider Hodge in the same calibre. But for now, forget it.
 
Only points of difference with you C-E are:

Griffen over Roughhead. I know there is an age old saying that KP > Mid, but I reckon Griffen is going to win more games off his own boot that Roughhead.

Cotchin over Kreuzer; How much more dangerous would Carlton be if they had Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens and Cotchin? My worry with Kreuzer is he is very much an in-between a ruck and a KP.
 
Only points of difference with you C-E are:

Griffen over Roughhead. I know there is an age old saying that KP > Mid, but I reckon Griffen is going to win more games off his own boot that Roughhead.

Cotchin over Kreuzer; How much more dangerous would Carlton be if they had Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens and Cotchin? My worry with Kreuzer is he is very much an in-between a ruck and a KP.
Would they be even MORE dangerous with Murphy, Gibbs, Cotchin, Stevens, Judd, Rich?
 
Only points of difference with you C-E are:

Griffen over Roughhead. I know there is an age old saying that KP > Mid, but I reckon Griffen is going to win more games off his own boot that Roughhead.

Cotchin over Kreuzer; How much more dangerous would Carlton be if they had Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens and Cotchin? My worry with Kreuzer is he is very much an in-between a ruck and a KP.

griffen and roughie were a hard split. i based it on the fact that this point, roughie would be the best forward in the comp, griffen is good but the best. silly theory yes, but i needed something. roughie can win you a game. i doubt griffen could. also, roughie has shown he plug a hole in defence and ruck if need be. not bad.

cotchin v kruezer was pretty hard too. probably on par, so i reckon its a horses for courses thing. i like ruckmen. very important and carlton really needed one.

hodge > Judd is just silly. Hodge has never been considered in the top 3 in the afl. Judd has been there since nearly his 2nd season.
dont get me wrong, my hodge mancrush knows no boundary, but he isnt a better player than Judd
 
cotchin v kruezer was pretty hard too. probably on par, so i reckon its a horses for courses thing. i like ruckmen. very important and carlton really needed one.

I'd say Cotchins first year was far better than Kreuzers. Kreuzer has stepped up this year but Cotch hasn't had the chance yet.
 

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I'd say Cotchins first year was far better than Kreuzers. Kreuzer has stepped up this year but Cotch hasn't had the chance yet.
Cotchin was better than a raw boned 18 year old ruckman/forward who played nearly every game and kicked three goals in wins over the Dogs and the Power as a forward.

You make Kreuzer sound like Vickery.
 
Hodge has Judd covered any day of the week.

ludacris. Hodge couragous player, though has absolutley nothing over Judd.

You Hawthorn supporters are all the same, jsut because he is won the norm smith you wouldnt be arguing. if hodge was so good, he would be voted by the players as the MVP but he wasnt and never will be.

If Hodge was so good why would he only recieve two brownlow votes last year.

pooned

dont be a typical hawthorn supporter and bring up richmond or anything, just a sign of you losing
 
Cotchin was better than a raw boned 18 year old ruckman/forward who played nearly every game and kicked three goals in wins over the Dogs and the Power as a forward.

You make Kreuzer sound like Vickery.

Yeah it's great that he kicked 3 goals in a match and everything. Cotchin kicked 2 goals against Geelong in the wet and had us leading Geelong well into the game, in his first match. Overall Cotch was much more consistent and in my view better.

Overall I think Cotchin's first year was much better than Kreuzers, yet Kreuzer has stepped up this year (forget the freo game) and has probably performed at a level equal to or greater than Cotch last year. If Cotch doesn't improve this year then I'd say it would be even. Since Cotch hasn't had that chance yet I'll still give it to Cotch.
 

A solid consistent performer who going based on need has done allot for his respective club, that could change as Murphy could end up Carltons number one midfielder very soon. Was one of Hawthorns best last year.
 
Little unfair to not point out that Cotchin and Masten have suffered injury while Kruze has played every game bar one.

I think it's a little unfair that just because Cotchin has been injured and has played a few good games that he be regarded as having performed better than Kruezer based on those few games.
 
A solid consistent performer who going based on need has done allot for his respective club, that could change as Murphy could end up Carltons number one midfielder very soon. Was one of Hawthorns best last year.
Have you watched Murphy at all?

He's been a great consistent performer and will be leading our B and F over Judd.
 

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