Roast Bevo pull your ******* head in

[Nath09]

sorry I am blind in my left eye and I am a refugee from the country of Jordan so cannot afford to replace my broken current computer (Windows 95 ) and replace the broken G on my current keyboard Please accept my apologies


Fk me you have time to analyze the data of somebody who misspells somebody's name What are your main hobbies and interest aligned with that ? Watching paint dry in a laundry

To quote Dave Graney

Drugs are wasted on the Youth of today

Laundries are actually one of the best rooms to watch paint dry. Replete with garments of all colours and electrical appliances that rumble and tumble the whole night through…

 

[ScragCity]

Sorry to play Devil's advocate once again but I think there's a good argument that it should be spelled "Crant." That's not me just being contrarian for the sake of it either. If you actually read the literature some of it is quite compelling.

 

[Mutt]

For simple brainless puppets our assistants seem to get poached and do well in other roles fairly often.

I think the current argument is not that the former Assistants were brainless...moreso that they chose to leave because they are not that happy to work for a Coach with the management style of Beveridge. Bevo micro-manages and controls too much of the Footy Department. Not necessarily my argument as I'm not close enough, but that's what a fair few on here believe.

 

[BEaston]

I think the current argument is not that the former Assistants were brainless...moreso that they chose to leave because they are not that happy to work for a Coach with the management style of Beveridge. Bevo micro-manages and controls too much of the Footy Department. Not necessarily my argument as I'm not close enough, but that's what a fair few on here believe.

That's one argument, but further up Old Mate was saying that he'd been saying for 7 years how useless our assistants have been. That's the argument I was addressing.

 

[_Mike_]

Lets leave the discussion to the topic at hand thanks.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I'm not entirely convinced it's a "lack of respect for a genuine ruck", I think it's just that our current options are awful. We had a good crack at Soldo during the offseason, and according to some we were close to getting him, so I imagine we'd play another ruck if we had a decent one available. I'd be more inclined to blame Nick Austin for not doing enough to draft rucks onto our list in his time with the club (outside of Sweet as a rookie). Or Milesi for not recruiting one in the last two years. Or Power for not getting one over the line during trade / free agency.

I think there's a lot to criticise Bevo for, but the failure to play multiple rucks is one of the few things that I honestly think is not Bevo's fault at all. When Martin was in good condition, we played him. Now, he looks barely VFL quality, and Sweet no better, so he's forced to rely on Cordy / Bont / Dunks to fill in the backup rucking duties while Bruce is out.

Give us Soldo this trade period, and I think we'll see Soldo + English for the majority of next season.

I made these points in another thread, so forgive me if you've seen this before. To me its very unlikely that once Bruce did his acl that we intended to go into this season with Martin as our main back-up to English in the ruck. It was pretty obvious as the last season was coming to a close that he was cooked. If we were happy to go down this route we would've contracted him prior to the trade period. Not in the weeks afterward as we did.

I have no doubt that we looked at all the options and once the music of trade week stopped we were left without without a chair to sit on. Leaving us with the only viable option but to re-sign Martin. Just because this search didn't happen in the media, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Bevo isnt beyond criticism, but right now his hands are tied by the giant structural holes left by injuries to the teams bookends, how heavily we have invested in two developing talls and the mental fragility of those that are taking to the field.

It feels like we are teetering on the the precipice of an annus hornbills and no motivational narrative from Bevo can turn it around.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Even though the list is missing 1 decent KPD and a decent ruckman, both which should have been fixed over summer, it is the most talented list in my 45 year supporting the club by a fair margin. Administration and the financial position best in 70 years and recruiting has been the best in living memory.

yes we won a flag with a inferior list than now and made the GF in a Covid year. The world was against us so Bevo rallied the boys. In 2016 he was a great motivator. I have no doubt he can be a great motivator but he horrendous now as a tactician, team selection and a 1 wood game plan which relies on total midfield dominance.

Rumours is he does not like being challenged and surrounds him with yes men. Outside it definitely looks like that.

Some Supporters are happy with 1 flag and 1 GF flogging every 70 years and we hold the coach or player in such esteem we look away from the big picture and these men become immortals at our club. I actually want a club that is succesful and win multiple flags like hawks, cats, tigers and it looks like dees.

i think Bevo is a great motivator but one of the worse strategic coaches in the current crop, he needs a very good tactical senior assistant who he listens to. If he unwilling to change, evolve and reinvent himself he should move on as he is not adapting to the current game

couldnt have stated that any better.

2 x Coach of the year.

1 x premiership coach

2 x Grand final coach

The initiator of Richmonds 3 premiership game style.

Hailed multiple times, over the years he’s coached, by his peers and the very players he coaches as being highly tactical...



How the **** can his own supporters be so off the mark. I’m deadset embarrassed for some of you.

He’s potentially starting to lose his edge and it looks like his messaging may not be hitting the mark. But, claiming he’s tactically inept is genuinely the biggest NUFFY standing a dogs fan can take.

 

[_Mike_]

How the fu** can his own supporters be so off the mark. I’m deadset embarrassed for some of you.

Congratulations, you're quoting my response to 1 sentence agreeing that he's lost the plot with game day tactics to use as a springboard for abuse.

 

[Philthy1]

I think we need to remember that recent history shows that teams that get flogged in the GF don’t fare too well the following season. We are swimming against an unfortunate tide.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Congratulations, you're quoting my response to 1 sentence agreeing that he's lost the plot with game day tactics to use as a springboard for abuse.

“Game day tactics”

You’ve said enough already

 

[ScragCity]

2 x Coach of the year.

1 x premiership coach

2 x Grand final coach

The initiator of Richmonds 3 premiership game style.

Hailed multiple times, over the years he’s coached, by his peers and the very players he coaches as being highly tactical...



How the fu** can his own supporters be so off the mark. I’m deadset embarrassed for some of you.

He’s potentially starting to lose his edge and it looks like his messaging may not be hitting the mark. But, claiming he’s tactically inept is genuinely the biggest NUFFY standing a dogs fan can take.

It's probably a bit of a stretch to credit our coach with Richmond's three premierships.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

It's probably a bit of a stretch to credit our coach with Richmond's three premierships.

It is a stretch Scrag. But it’s not what I posted.

The tiges took our 2016 game and pumped it with steroids. Bev doesn’t deserve an extra 3 premiership medallions, but it’s ok to acknowledge they ran an almost identical game from the year after we won a flag with it.

 

[Fossie 32]

Even though the list is missing 1 decent KPD and a decent ruckman, both which should have been fixed over summer, it is the most talented list in my 45 year supporting the club by a fair margin. Administration and the financial position best in 70 years and recruiting has been the best in living memory.

yes we won a flag with a inferior list than now and made the GF in a Covid year. The world was against us so Bevo rallied the boys. In 2016 he was a great motivator. I have no doubt he can be a great motivator but he horrendous now as a tactician, team selection and a 1 wood game plan which relies on total midfield dominance.

Rumours is he does not like being challenged and surrounds him with yes men. Outside it definitely looks like that.

Some Supporters are happy with 1 flag and 1 GF flogging every 70 years and we hold the coach or player in such esteem we look away from the big picture and these men become immortals at our club. I actually want a club that is succesful and win multiple flags like hawks, cats, tigers and it looks like dees.

i think Bevo is a great motivator but one of the worse strategic coaches in the current crop, he needs a very good tactical senior assistant who he listens to. If he unwilling to change, evolve and reinvent himself he should move on as he is not adapting to the current game

Agree with some of this but not that we have the most talented list in 45 years. Not sure about the recruiting either.
This is how I would rate the players combining capability over the previous 12 months and current ability.

2016 Premiership side
B: Jason Johannisen 7, Joel Hamling 6, Matthew Boyd 8
HB: Shane Biggs 6, Dale Morris 10, Easton Wood 7
C: Lachie Hunter 7, Marcus Bontempelli 9, Liam Picken 8
HF: Jack Macrae 9, Zaine Cordy 7, Jake Stringer 6
F: Tory Dickson 8, Tom Boyd 7, Clay Smith 7
Fol: Jordan Roughead 7, Luke Dahlhaus 7, Tom Liberatore 9
Int: Toby McLean 7, Fletcher Roberts 6, Josh Dunkley 7, Caleb Daniel 8
Emg: Matthew Suckling, Tom Campbell, Lin Jong

total 163

Team v Richmond
B: Ed Richards 6, Ryan Gardner 4, Taylor Duryea 7
HB: Caleb Daniel 8, Tim O’Brien 7?, Bailey Dale 8
C: Jack Macrae 9, Josh Dunkley 7, Lachie Hunter 7
HF: Cody Weightman 5, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan 4, Bailey Smith 8
F: Mitch Hannan 3, Aaron Naughton 7, Laitham Vandermeer 4
R: Tim English 8, Adam Treloar 8, Marcus Bontempelli 9
Int: Louis Butler 3, Tom Liberatore 7, Bailey Williams 8, Anthony Scott 4
Emer: Jordon Sweet, Buku Khamis, Mitch Wallis, Lachlan McNeil

total 141

 

[Hoges64]

Dale Morris 10

Nailed it.

 

[lachy]

Agree with some of this but not that we have the most talented list in 45 years. Not sure about the recruiting either.
This is how I would rate the players combining capability over the previous 12 months and current ability.

2016 Premiership side
B: Jason Johannisen 7, Joel Hamling 6, Matthew Boyd 8
HB: Shane Biggs 6, Dale Morris 10, Easton Wood 7
C: Lachie Hunter 7, Marcus Bontempelli 9, Liam Picken 8
HF: Jack Macrae 9, Zaine Cordy 7, Jake Stringer 6
F: Tory Dickson 8, Tom Boyd 7, Clay Smith 7
Fol: Jordan Roughead 7, Luke Dahlhaus 7, Tom Liberatore 9
Int: Toby McLean 7, Fletcher Roberts 6, Josh Dunkley 7, Caleb Daniel 8
Emg: Matthew Suckling, Tom Campbell, Lin Jong

total 163

Team v Richmond
B: Ed Richards 6, Ryan Gardner 4, Taylor Duryea 7
HB: Caleb Daniel 8, Tim O’Brien 7?, Bailey Dale 8
C: Jack Macrae 9, Josh Dunkley 7, Lachie Hunter 7
HF: Cody Weightman 5, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan 4, Bailey Smith 8
F: Mitch Hannan 3, Aaron Naughton 7, Laitham Vandermeer 4
R: Tim English 8, Adam Treloar 8, Marcus Bontempelli 9
Int: Louis Butler 3, Tom Liberatore 7, Bailey Williams 8, Anthony Scott 4
Emer: Jordon Sweet, Buku Khamis, Mitch Wallis, Lachlan McNeil

total 141

Not only do I fully agree that it is not the most talented it has massive weaknesses in quality current and developing KPP's, Rucks and genuine small forwards

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[lachy]

2 x Coach of the year.

1 x premiership coach

2 x Grand final coach

The initiator of Richmonds 3 premiership game style.

Hailed multiple times, over the years he’s coached, by his peers and the very players he coaches as being highly tactical...



How the fu** can his own supporters be so off the mark. I’m deadset embarrassed for some of you.

He’s potentially starting to lose his edge and it looks like his messaging may not be hitting the mark. But, claiming he’s tactically inept is genuinely the biggest NUFFY standing a dogs fan can take.

Outside of the commentary of posters which on an opinion board you will always have different opinions, it is true Bev has shown many attributes as a coach that he has not been credited for.

My issue is that does he have to be so creative each and every time as the current squad is clearly unbalanced due to the unavailability of the structurally needed players being available, or is it in this shape as these are the type of players Bev wants and therefore has? If it is the latter then it may ne this line of thinking and setting up a team may well be coming to an end and Bev either adjusts or does move on.

The question of whether he is a very good coach really should not be questioned with his results, the question is how is the list being developed, a list seriously over rated by many posters here

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[Mofra]

The question of whether he is a very good coach really should not be questioned with his results, the question is how is the list being developed, a list seriously over rated by many posters here

The list got to a Grand Final - it's actually not in bad shape.
The issue I have (and I suspect many others) is that it is paper-thin in terms of tall depth. When everyone's fit we're fine but... that just doesn't happen.

Rucks - Martin is struggling, English is great, Sweet looks a fair way off and there no other ruck depth.

KPFs we have our no 1 (Bruce) out, Naughton is great except for the kicking bit. Marra a kid but about where he should be in terms of development considering he lost 12 months due to the Covid, and Schache who is lucky he's tall (the Gorringe rule)

KPDs we have our no 1 out (Keath) who has battled hamstring issues since he was 16, Gardner who is competitive but no world beater, Cordy who has obvious limitations, Khamis who is short and Tim O'Brien playing taller than he should but he was brought in as an interceptor not a KPD anyway.

Darcy is a highly rated kid that just needs to get on the paddock and is probably a couple of years away.

 

[Foxman98]

The list got to a Grand Final - it's actually not in bad shape.
The issue I have (and I suspect many others) is that it is paper-thin in terms of tall depth. When everyone's fit we're fine but... that just doesn't happen.

Rucks - Martin is struggling, English is great, Sweet looks a fair way off and there no other ruck depth.

KPFs we have our no 1 (Bruce) out, Naughton is great except for the kicking bit. Marra a kid but about where he should be in terms of development considering he lost 12 months due to the Covid, and Schache who is lucky he's tall (the Gorringe rule)

KPDs we have our no 1 out (Keath) who has battled hamstring issues since he was 16, Gardner who is competitive but no world beater, Cordy who has obvious limitations, Khamis who is short and Tim O'Brien playing taller than he should but he was brought in as an interceptor not a KPD anyway.

Darcy is a highly rated kid that just needs to get on the paddock and is probably a couple of years away.

No one is saying our list is terrible. You have just pointed out the massive flaws and holes in the list. We have 2 genuine KPFs on the list and 2 genuine KPD on the list and 1 ruckman that's it. Darcy and JUH are developing but we need another at each end developing and another 2 at both ends for a basic squad. We have far to many mid sized hybrids that have made our list incredibly unbalanced. You keep trotting out the "when everyone's fit" line like it's that easy and likely to happen, Reality is you will have injuries and form slumps throughout the year and you need depth to cover that. Our list is good enough to go on runs/patches like the final against Port last year but lets not pretend we weren't lucky to fall over the line against Brisbane. Our current list will not contend how we would like and that is partially due to Bevridges demands to the style of play and structure he wants

 

[lachy]

The list got to a Grand Final - it's actually not in bad shape.
The issue I have (and I suspect many others) is that it is paper-thin in terms of tall depth. When everyone's fit we're fine but... that just doesn't happen.

Rucks - Martin is struggling, English is great, Sweet looks a fair way off and there no other ruck depth.

KPFs we have our no 1 (Bruce) out, Naughton is great except for the kicking bit. Marra a kid but about where he should be in terms of development considering he lost 12 months due to the Covid, and Schache who is lucky he's tall (the Gorringe rule)

KPDs we have our no 1 out (Keath) who has battled hamstring issues since he was 16, Gardner who is competitive but no world beater, Cordy who has obvious limitations, Khamis who is short and Tim O'Brien playing taller than he should but he was brought in as an interceptor not a KPD anyway.

Darcy is a highly rated kid that just needs to get on the paddock and is probably a couple of years away.

I would have thought that given what you have correctly set out is a dearth of not only current but developing KPP's rucks and quick small forwards with skills actually demonstrates the list is nowhere near in the shape it needs to be if we want to be genuinely challenging for top 4 and that Bev's match day coaching and finals preparation last season and in 2016 has been significantly underrated by many on this board.

Hence why my issue with Bev is his input into this list given it is now a list constructed under his tenure, and not so much his coaching which Charlie Bucket rightly points out has produced extraordinary results despite the overall lists limitations

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Outside of the commentary of posters which on an opinion board you will always have different opinions, it is true Bev has shown many attributes as a coach that he has not been credited for.

My issue is that does he have to be so creative each and every time as the current squad is clearly unbalanced due to the unavailability of the structurally needed players being available, or is it in this shape as these are the type of players Bev wants and therefore has? If it is the latter then it may ne this line of thinking and setting up a team may well be coming to an end and Bev either adjusts or does move on.

The question of whether he is a very good coach really should not be questioned with his results, the question is how is the list being developed, a list seriously over rated by many posters here

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There’s no doubt, the current injury list has exposed massive holes in our list.

I’ve been pretty forgiving the last few years because I thought they still had a year or two to sort it out. My patience is thread bare now, as plenty of others has been for a while.
The most recent off season has been disappointing in that we didn’t bring in KP depth and didn’t bring in more ruck depth.

This is absolutely on the coach as well as the club as a whole and they need to be held accountable if it really turns to shit.
If we don’t make finals this year, I’m expecting a pretty heavy list change.


Having said all that, we still need to keep in mind we’d be 3-1 if we’d kicked straighter this season. Wouldn’t even need to be dead eye dicks. Just hit the averages.
This is all with a 22 that is suffering a few injuries to key players.

So yes, our list is malnourished, but we’re playing pretty well considering.

As for our coaches performance... I said a year or two ago that the time would come when he just doesn’t have what it takes and he can’t get anymore out of the players. Is that time creeping up as we speak? Could be. Some concerning lack of effort in the last couple of game which is a tell tail sign.

Whatever happens with our coach over the next 18 months, I’m ok with. As long as we don’t end up with a Ratten or a Voss at the end of it. The clubs done too much work over he last 8-10 years to shit it all away with an appointment like that.

 

[ScragCity]

Hence why my issue with Bev is his input into this list given it is now a list constructed under his tenure, and not so much his coaching which Charlie Bucket rightly points out has produced extraordinary

This summarises it well. I don't think any other coach in the league would have gotten two GF appearances and a flag out of this list. However, Bevo clearly has a lot of say in the shaping of the list, and so for that he has to bear responsibility for its inadequacies.

 

[Mofra]

I would have thought that given what you have correctly set out is a dearth of not only current but developing KPP's rucks and quick small forwards with skills actually demonstrates the list is nowhere near in the shape it needs to be if we want to be genuinely challenging for top 4 and that Bev's match day coaching and finals preparation last season and in 2016 has been significantly underrated by many on this board.

Hence why my issue with Bev is his input into this list given it is now a list constructed under his tenure, and not so much his coaching which Charlie Bucket rightly points out has produced extraordinary results despite the overall lists limitations

I guess I have a little bit of frustration as I saw two players that could really help us (Max Lynch and Kieran Strahan) completely ignored by us, and they would be fairly cheap in terms of trade cost.
We were very into Soldo who would have been a great get, we were apparently very close (Richmond losing CCJ & Chol meant they could up their offer) meant we had no plan B.

Tim O'Brien was a good get - and we did chase Jackson Prior pretty hard too.

I do think the club are aware of list shortcomings, I am concerned we seem to be a little "all eggs in one basket" when we choose a target at trade time though.

 

[ScragCity]

I guess I have a little bit of frustration as I saw two players that could really help us (Max Lynch and Kieran Strahan) completely ignored by us, and they would be fairly cheap in terms of trade cost.
We were very into Soldo who would have been a great get, we were apparently very close (Richmond losing CCJ & Chol meant they could up their offer) meant we had no plan B.

Tim O'Brien was a good get - and we did chase Jackson Prior pretty hard too.

I do think the club are aware of list shortcomings, I am concerned we seem to be a little "all eggs in one basket" when we choose a target at trade time though.

We should have gone for Chol. English and Chol would be an awesome ruck duo.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Ignoring the trolls, I am not personally confident that Bevo has taken this list as far as it can go.
Our gameplan is so old and found out, and our list management is woeful as it gets.

He won't be moved on due to his contract and within the club they love him, but frankly we're shit and I'm pointing the finger directly at our woeful coaching panel.

 

[Dogs Rule]

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