Injury Blue Healers Discussion - 2024

[Bletch]

Transparency isn't about whether they've lied, it's about not giving the full picture. If they know now he's ****ed for the year, tell us that, we don't pay hundreds of dollars a year to be kept in the dark.

Think about it for a second.

If the decision has been made already to send him off for surgery (and thus out for the year, or most of), why would they be waiting? Do you really think that the club (and Walsh) would say, "Oh, well, it's surgery, let's do it in June."? If and when that call is made, he'll go under the knife the next day (or two). And you'd expect we'd hear about it pretty much as soon as that happens.

Is it just possible do you think, that the club is actually being transparent with us after all, and that there will be a re-assessment after the bye, just like they've said? Maybe it'll be good news then, maybe not. But suggesting that the call has already been made, and they're hiding it from us for some reason seems unreasonable to me.

 

[thylacine60]

Think about it for a second.

If the decision has been made already to send him off for surgery (and thus out for the year, or most of), why would they be waiting? Do you really think that the club (and Walsh) would say, "Oh, well, it's surgery, let's do it in June."? If and when that call is made, he'll go under the knife the next day (or two). And you'd expect we'd hear about it pretty much as soon as that happens.

Is it just possible do you think, that the club is actually being transparent with us after all, and that there will be a re-assessment after the bye, just like they've said? Maybe it'll be good news then, maybe not. But suggesting that the call has already been made, and they're hiding it from us for some reason seems unreasonable to me.

I want to know everything now!!!

 

[Zlatan]

I am definitely one jumping to conclusion a bit, and you are spot on in what you say. I must have missed when the club said he was on a modified program until the bye. I always thought it was just about reassessing him in general at the bye.

It's just my gut telling me it's not great based on the comms by the club. I have no facts whatsoever.

No worries, club has just released confirmation sam is all good

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Mate I don’t think a potential member is waiting for a walshy training pic before signing up are they

Excitement and momentum sells memberships. Having the uncertainty re Walsh looming certainly doesn't help.

 

[katmanblue]

Gut feel is bad too but Diesel did say last week that he'd be back after the bye with Weiters and both tracking well. Would love to see him at training some time soon though, he's one of our most important players.

Which bye?

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[katmanblue]

All we want is some transparency. Not too much to ask.

All you'll get is conspiracy

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[lily of laguna]

reckon you'll fit in okay over there, lily............

Can’t get rid of me that easily, you cheeky curmudgeon!!!


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[WalshistheGOAT]

Which bye?

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Diesel said the one after this week but god only knows whats happening with Walshy

 

[BigFrizz36]

I want to know everything now!!!

You're doing it wrong. It is:

I demand to know everything now!! or I am entitled to know everything now.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Excitement and momentum sells memberships. Having the uncertainty re Walsh looming certainly doesn't help.

Not sure if serious but

Since the start of last year Sam Walsh has missed 10 games through injury. We have won 9 of them and drawn the other. Any supporter not buying a membership due to Sam Walsh not playing is probably not going to.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Not sure if serious but

Since the start of last year Sam Walsh has missed 10 games through injury. We have won 9 of them and drawn the other. Any supporter not buying a membership due to Sam Walsh not playing is probably not going to.

Not saying they are sitting around waiting for Sam Walsh to re-emerge from the rehab room like Kate Middleton or something but the uncertainty around some of our star players obviously is going to effect membership numbers.

If Richmond at their peak found out Dusty had done his ACL over the Christmas break thats obviously going to effect sales. My mum didn't want to buy a membership the year Charlie was out with his knee because he's her favorite player by a mile. The rusted on types are always going to stick fat but the fringe members are far more easily deterred.

Anyway my point is that media teams for all footy clubs time announcements and carefully curate what they post to help maintain positivity and momentum among the fans throughout the year. They save big contract announcements for after some disappointing games or dull sections of the fixture, they post more of the players fans like than some of the more under the radar types... Its common practice.

I'm just saying that for the Carlton Media Dept not to have posted a picture of Walshy back at training is a bit of an indicator of how he's tracking imo. They would have have a picture on twitter and instagram a minute after he walks onto the ground when he joins full training and they'd probably have a picture of him up the minute he's back in the skills group. The fact that they haven't done anything of the sort yet indicates he's likely still a while away.

 

[thylacine60]

Not saying they are sitting around waiting for Sam Walsh to re-emerge from the rehab room like Kate Middleton or something but the uncertainty around some of our star players obviously is going to effect membership numbers.

If Richmond at their peak found out Dusty had done his ACL over the Christmas break thats obviously going to effect sales. My mum didn't want to buy a membership the year Charlie was out with his knee because he's her favorite player by a mile. The rusted on types are always going to stick fat but the fringe members are far more easily deterred.

Anyway my point is that media teams for all footy clubs time announcements and carefully curate what they post to help maintain positivity and momentum among the fans throughout the year. They save big contract announcements for after some disappointing games or dull sections of the fixture, they post more of the players fans like than some of the more under the radar types... Its common practice.

I'm just saying that for the Carlton Media Dept not to have posted a picture of Walshy back at training is a bit of an indicator of how he's tracking imo. They would have have a picture on twitter and instagram a minute after he walks onto the ground when he joins full training and they'd probably have a picture of him up the minute he's back in the skills group. The fact that they haven't done anything of the sort yet indicates he's likely still a while away.

did she?

 

[BigFrizz36]

Not saying they are sitting around waiting for Sam Walsh to re-emerge from the rehab room like Kate Middleton or something but the uncertainty around some of our star players obviously is going to effect membership numbers.

If Richmond at their peak found out Dusty had done his ACL over the Christmas break thats obviously going to effect sales. My mum didn't want to buy a membership the year Charlie was out with his knee because he's her favorite player by a mile. The rusted on types are always going to stick fat but the fringe members are far more easily deterred.

Anyway my point is that media teams for all footy clubs time announcements and carefully curate what they post to help maintain positivity throughout the year. They've save big contract announcements for after some disappointing games or dull sections of the fixture, they post more of the players fans like than some of the more under the radar types... Its common practice.

I'm just saying that for the Carlton Media Dept not to have posted a picture of Walshy back at training is a bit of an indicator of how he's tracking. They would have have a picture on twitter and instagram a minute after he walks onto the ground when he joins full training and they'd probably have a picture of him up the minute he's back in the skills group. The fact that they haven't done anything of the sort yet indicates he's likely still a while away.

Don't agree at all. We are up 10K + on last year memberships and there will be a queue a mile long at the G tomorrow night for people to join up. People like the way the team plays and the effort that they give. The "fringe members" aren't the few people on here continually demanding updates on Sam Walsh, they've already bought their memberships or will regardless.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Don't agree at all. We are up 10K + on last year memberships and there will be a queue a mile long at the G tomorrow night for people to join up. People like the way the team plays and the effort that they give. The "fringe members" aren't the few people on here continually demanding updates on Sam Walsh, they've already bought their memberships or will regardless.

Probably correct on all fronts, but I still think its indicative of where he's at in his recovery that we haven't seen an image of him on the track for 3 or 4 weeks now. If he was back in training the media team would have uploaded it, it's what they do.

I'm not one of the people on here demanding Russell be sacked because Walsh had a flare up nor am I someone who's demanding we get consistent weekly updates his progress. Just think people should be wary of thinking he's pulling on the boots in two weeks when there's signs that he may be a while away. How long that is is anyone's guess

 

[JustaBattler]

Walsh out gives others a chance to step up eg young Jack Carroll ...Witering out gives Young. chance to resurrect his self confidence and sae his career...Marchbank out forces McGvern and Kemp to play taller and harder...Motlop out sees Fogarty continue to show that you can make tackling pressure into goals....9 tackles from Fog..was instrumental in 3 goals ....

etc etc etc...

embrace the adversity.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Probably correct on all fronts, but I still think its indicative of where he's at in his recovery that we haven't seen an image of him on the track for 3 or 4 weeks now. If he was back in training the media team would have uploaded it, it's what they do.

I'm not one of the people on here demanding Russell be sacked because Walsh had a flare up nor am I someone who's demanding we get consistent weekly updates his progress. Just think people should be wary of thinking he's pulling on the boots in two weeks when there's signs that he may be a while away. How long that is is anyone's guess

How many photos of Jacob Weitering having returned to full training have our media team released? There may be some but I haven't seen any. If there are none does that mean that he may still a while away?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

How many photos of Jacob Weitering having returned to full training have our media team released? There may be some but I haven't seen any. If there are none does that mean that he may still a while away?

Saw him in one of the videos today.

As I said though, it's an indication. Walsh's one of the biggest names at our club and in the AFL and fans are eager to know where he's at. They did the same thing when Charlie was finally on track to return, he was all over the clubs social medias

 

[JustOneTime]

Walsh out gives others a chance to step up eg young Jack Carroll ...Witering out gives Young. chance to resurrect his self confidence and sae his career...Marchbank out forces McGvern and Kemp to play taller and harder...Motlop out sees Fogarty continue to show that you can make tackling pressure into goals....9 tackles from Fog..was instrumental in 3 goals ....

etc etc etc...

embrace the adversity.

I've already embraced this adversity over and over by calculating the odds that Covid caused us to lose L Jones (no needles policy) and Marchbank (long covid). If the latter is true, what are the bloody odds that we have been hit twice vs other clubs!!

But let's not wallow. Next 'second best' option up!

 

[JustaBattler]

I've already embraced this adversity over and over by calculating the odds that Covid caused us to lose L Jones (no needles policy) and Marchbank (long covid). If the latter is true, what are the bloody odds that we have been hit twice vs other clubs!!

But let's not wallow. Next 'second best' option up!

a deeper layer of the onion is that no one can control much of anything and sheet happens - really no one has any real control over what life can throw their way - except to understand that embracing what is - is what life is really about - rather than lamenting what should or could be...

 

[BigFrizz36]

Saw him in one of the videos today.

As I said though, it's an indication. Walsh's one of the biggest names at our club and in the AFL and fans are eager to know where he's at. They did the same thing when Charlie was finally on track to return, he was all over the clubs social medias

It sounds very obvious to me (having missed a fair chunk of a season to a back injury back in the day).

There is no finite time frame for an injury like Sam's. He might be fine next week or he might still be struggling in 6 weeks time. The club would be derelict in their duty to give a time frame about when he will be back.

And yet somehow people clamour for more info and demand answers where there are none. Baffles me completely. Reminds me a bit of the Kate Middleton rubbish going on at the moment. Some would like the club to give an update to say "Sam trained pain free today and things are looking good" and then hoist them on their own petard if the next day they say "Sam pulled up a bit sore after yesterdays pain free training".

 

[JustOneTime]

a deeper layer of the onion is that no one can control much of anything and sheet happens - really no one has any real control over what life can throw their way - except to understand that embracing what is - is what life is really about - rather than lamenting what should or could be...

Personally think Carlton is eating every layer of that raw onion!

Yes, chin up and all that! I'm just trying to not think about Marchbank and now focusing on Jack Carroll after he killed it in Brissy!

 

[RAPPA]

Mitch Cleary on TF saying last week the observation made of Walsh was that he looked like an old man running. Kicking and bending over were areas of struggle. Next week or so being crunch time for assessing progress with surgery then becoming more realistic if things aren’t improving.

 

[JustOneTime]

It sounds very obvious to me (having missed a fair chunk of a season to a back injury back in the day).

There is no finite time frame for an injury like Sam's. He might be fine next week or he might still be struggling in 6 weeks time. The club would be derelict in their duty to give a time frame about when he will be back.

And yet somehow people clamour for more info and demand answers where there are none. Baffles me completely. Reminds me a bit of the Kate Middleton rubbish going on at the moment. Some would like the club to give an update to say "Sam trained pain free today and things are looking good" and then hoist them on their own petard if the next day they say "Sam pulled up a bit sore after yesterdays pain free training".

It was interesting that Blue Abroad (who now seems to have internal club links) posted his early video on Sam Walsh saying nothing at all untoward with Walsh and everyone getting hysterical. That it was only precautionary insinuating watch for his imminent return. I do wonder if the club used him.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It sounds very obvious to me (having missed a fair chunk of a season to a back injury back in the day).

There is no finite time frame for an injury like Sam's. He might be fine next week or he might still be struggling in 6 weeks time. The club would be derelict in their duty to give a time frame about when he will be back.

And yet somehow people clamour for more info and demand answers where there are none. Baffles me completely. Reminds me a bit of the Kate Middleton rubbish going on at the moment. Some would like the club to give an update to say "Sam trained pain free today and things are looking good" and then hoist them on their own petard if the next day they say "Sam pulled up a bit sore after yesterdays pain free training".

As someone who is currently dealing with a stress fracture in my lower back for the first time, I too understand that it's not as simple as a hamstring injury which has a set time it should take to return from. Did it in round 2 of the cricket season and felt right to go a few times only to have it flare back up and be straight back to hobbling about like a pensioner.

Anyway as I said, I'm not one of those people wanting daily updates from Russell or Voss. He'll be back when he's right to go and at the end of the day whether they give us daily updates or not thats not going to change the timeline for him. I just wanted to say people shouldn't be expecting him back in round 2 vs North going off what the clubs released recently.

 

[carlton_99]

Really starting to not sound very good - does anyone know what the purpose of a second surgery would be if the first one didn't work...?